Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: blackhawk on February 18, 2012, 07:08:13 pm
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heres some fun experimenting im having today that i thought id share with ya all. its a longer version of my mighty mouse in whitewood form. R/D molly bendy. its 67 pounds at 32" here. yeeesh...im surprised how smooth it is for such a short bow n long draw. this design fricking rocks. i still need to reduce the levers down,n then shoot it,but i thought id share this now cus i think its too cool. she still maintains a half inch reflex after unstrung. i started with 3 1/2" heat treated in. i had to put a wrap in the upper limb because when i reflexed it,it pulled a tension splinter on the belly. but shes holding. hmmm? looks like i could go a couple more inches >:D
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let that arrow fly and then see if you can find it!
well done!!!
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Ya look like your gonna fart man! Nice bow!
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i almost did sonny cus i thought the same thing :laugh:
yeah chris..its hard to hold that kind of draw in a target stance,as you see in my second pic im much more at ease in my warbow stance
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after an hour shes back up to 2" reflex...i have no idea how im gonna shoot this thing in...no big deal really cus i prob wont put a finish on it. its just a demo
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a lot of draw for 64"!!!! Very impressive! I love when you basically try to brake a bow and it will not. But when I do that they don't go back into a reflex? Nice job blackhawk!
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nice job bro.i like it,Steve
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heres the front profile
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thanks paul..isnt it fun torturing wood >:D..im havin fun :laugh:
thanks seabass ;)
hmm?...this also seems like a good "shortbow" for fishhead...where u at fishfinder ???
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Thats sweet man!! Nice job!
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Nice one !!
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Nice tiller and hope she holds together.
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Very nice. Great to see the confindencein your extream full draw. Very nicely done!
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Awsome! That looks great!
Josh
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thanks judo point 8)
thanks guy o buddy o pal ;)
thanks fly...i think shell hold...if not oh well...go grab another piece to torture ;)
thanks keenan...yeah you know we should draw any bow with confidence...but as you see we did this full draw outside for safety purposes. ;)
thanks josh :)
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Looks like another atomic atom splitter to me. >:D
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josh nice job what kind a elm is it brock
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Nice job brother a nother nice bow chris I love to watch your bows you did a great job my freind take care keep on building bows
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thanks gmc.....i havent shot it at any atoms yet
bcbull...thanks..i believe its slippery elm
thanks marty. ;)...you know ill keep on keepin on...thats what us addicts do :)
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Yes Sir!
I like that Profile a Lot!
Gonna have to make one Soon! :)
-gus
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thanks gus :)...yeah man try it someday...i think youll like it
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Good lookin' bow, Blackhawk. You guys amaze me. Your "demo" bows are better than my 1st line stuff. By the way, Kudos to Mom on the pics....even with the baby in her arms!!
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nice work blacky , this is the style of one i built for the short bow challenge , mine didnt make it though . 32 inches tip to tip and it gave up at 24 inches . let me ask you this ... how do you feel the performance is on these compared to stiff handled mollys, reason i ask is we have had some discussion on the lever advantages stressing the working handle to the point of loosing the benefits of the levers. hope that makes sense, i guess no stiff handle = no rock to push against. just curious like i said me and rich discussed it but i havent had time to explore it yet .ken
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Whew, that wood is workin' seriously hard.
Great job, and a brave man.
More inspiration for something else for me to try.
Nice one
Del
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thanks lesken...good eyes brother ;)
thanks ken...refresh my memory here...did you make yours in a deflexed handle and reflexed levers? i think the deflexed handle to start with before tillering really allows the bow to go to an extreme draw. by my string angle with this and mighty mouse it looks like i could go a few more inches easy. but wood the wood take it? if it did then i wood be drawing a few inches more than half the bows length with an unbacked bow. i think the tougher woods wood allow this overdraw for sure. i really like the benefits of sinew,but really is it needed? apparently not huh? even though yours broke its still an acclomplishment that you got to 24" before it broke. thats a long ways for a 32" bow. maybe the longer versions are a bit better and will allow the same ratio of bow lenght to draw length in a more "safe" manner due to there being a lil more wood available to work. i like the analogy of saying no rock to push against with the handle. i had the same thoughts as well. i also think its better as it seems to be just one working limb instead of timing and tying the two together to a stiff focal point where all the stresses meet. it seems more fluid and its components flow well from tip to tip. and boy is this puppy smooooooth drawing too. id like to hear more ideas if you have them ken..and tell rich to jump in as well. this is really what i want,and thats a discussion. i havent run mighty mouse or this thru a chrony to compare them to a stiff handled molly. but they are fast and not sure if i can tell a difference by just shooting alone.
thanks del...glad to inspire ya and hope ya give her a whirl ;)
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man that is one fine looking bow.
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Super cool bow!!
I think Drums found a good Indian name for it, "Wind Breaker" ...
67@32!!! :)
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thanks dazv
thanks kip...thats a good one cus itll be breaking wind in more than one way ;) :laugh:
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Not into speed but that would be a fun one to blast through chronograph :)
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That bow is SWEET! Love the unstrung profile! Well done :) :) :)
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kip i might try to send her thru the chrony(might b tough for me to do) and should flight shoot it too
thanks will ;)
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Those are some awesome stats you have there. Definetly some food for thought. On a side note...only a Mom can hold a baby and take a picture at the same time. My Mom had 8, and it was amazing the things she could do while hoding a baby.
I say finish it.
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Brave work my friend! :)
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Thats just taking the *$%*$*$
Lot of work out of a short bit of wood, very nice. I too like a bendy handle and it seems to make sense that the more wood thats bending the more energy stored so the more energy out? If it aint working its freeloading :)
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67#?! Holy cow man. You are a cruel heartless b@$tard when it comes to your wood! I'm really excited to learn about heating/bending wood next time. That must open a whole new realm of possibilities when it comes to bow design. Great job as usual!!
"Wind Breaker" - haha
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thanks bob(rps3)...yeah how do some woman do it...love my wife :)...shes gotta take care of kids and me,whos just another kid :laugh:
thanks druid...go big or go home ;)
thaks dwardo..i agree and this one NEEDS to bend in the handle
thanks rob(pahunter)..yup i like to tie my girls down in chains and whip em >:D :o.. :laugh:...next time we'll heat treat and put a couple inches reflex in your elm(the sister to this) as we discussed...i think yours should be able to handle the bend fine seeing how her sister has become my slave :laugh:
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Nice bow, really impressive tillering and draw!
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thanks hrothgar....nothing to it,just remove the wood that dont belong,string her n yank her back behind your ear..lol :laugh:
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If I can ill try to flight shoot it and run it thru my chrono today after work. Weather pending as it is winter. I can't wait to launch some arras into orbit ;)
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well i just got to finally chuck some arrows out in a field. i shot 3 32" arrows that weigh 636 grains,and one really light 28" arrow(unknown weight). i only managed a shy 31" on two of the arrows and my best one that flew i just got it past 31",so i came up a tad shy in my draw. at 31" the bow is about 64 pounds. now my results are still unofficial as i just paced the yards and didnt measure with rangfinder or any other measuring devices. but im decent enough to pace off yards that i know she shoots pretty well. im also no flight archer,so i have no clue what im doing as far as correct angle and how to draw correctly. anyways all three 32" arrows were from 200-213 yards. the shorter lighter arrow that i shot at 28" came up shorter. when the next sunny day hits i need to get out my chrono and check for speed. i think i just took my first steps into flight archery...that was fricking exciting. ive always launched all my bows and paced off yards,but to shoot this lil monster and see em really fly was exilirating. im hoping some flight guys can chime in and give me some honest assesment of my situation. i know i need more conlcusive results than this though
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sounds like good flight to me , tiller her down to 50 lbs and lightin her tips , if you can get the 213 or better it would be a new world record for broadhead flight. or it was last time i checked . the one i built was not deflexed just straight handled . i think ill explore this more when time permits , i like the full draw . keep em coming
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thanks ken..i got a lot to learn yet as far as flight archery goes,but im liking it. i know i can tweak some things and make a better one. i hope you get the time to explore this as well. keep me informed if and when ya do. i would like to see what you come up with as well,and your thoughts on it. the more minds collaborating the better. im also curious as to how far i can reflex the levers before i have to add additional weight to keep em stabalized. the one small minor detail thats different with this one is my reflex is a tad in front of the fades of the levers,which keeps the levers more straight to maintain stability. maybe you can get away with more reflex this way,by putting it into the end of the working limb right before the fades to the levers. thoughts there? man it was sweet watching those heavy arrows come flying out of that cannon. i said holy you know what. i cant imagine what that thing wood do to any big game animal.
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Wow you are putting them out there a good ways...also the #of bows as of late (Blackhawk bows...custom made bows while you wait )and they all rock! You are an inspiration in design and efficiency ;)
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Thanks soy..im working on it,and still got some learning in that dept. ;)
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Chris
Please bring this bow with you when next we meet I want to discuse it ! You know I have to touch in order to fully see ,so please keep it around long enough for us to talk !
You may have sparked some thoughts in design !
which is amazing since I have suppressed all thoughts of bow design since we decided to use wheels to extend draw length and nearly destroyed archery!
Sorry folks but yes I was a part of that arms race
Please forgive me!
By the way are you still thinking you are comming to Marshall or are you going to the Pen. shoot since they are the same weekend?
If you don't make it to Marshall I will see ya at Flint Ridge
Guy
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Hi Guy,
its almost identical to the lil osage bow i made at martys(i did tweak it some after i got home),but its a bigger version in whitewood,and to be able to see if it wood handle the big draw. i hope it sparked some question in design,cus i want to know if anyone has made something like this,and so far no one has spoke up. at least not this exact way i did it. to be honest it looks like it has a lot of tim baker(narrow stiff tips/andaman-holmgaard style),marc st louis(short R/D working limbs,but with long slight reflexed levers instead of the recurves) influences in it and its a bend in the handle. so dont credit me with it ;)...i just made a concotion of a few types. ;)
i think a lot of us here are guilty of the wheelie bow sins
and your last question is a tough one for me to answer. im torn as you prob know between the two. i get to see my pa buddies a lot more than my michigan(and one buckeye)buddies,and my heart wants to go to marshall,but the presque isle is kinda my home shoot with my buddies here. :-\ :-\ . i hate to say it if any of them read this,but right now i am leaning towards marshall. if thtas still the case( a lot can change from now till then),then i will bring this with me. i know this one will shoot over the pond,and you can try too(but use one of your arrows..lol) :laugh:
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DONT FORGET WHERE YOUR FROM YOU SUNNAVAGUN!
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I guess the recurve into lever into recurve just jumped out more ,or maybe finally soaked in !
I am a little slow !
As far as coming to Marshall , I understand cause they wood have to shoot me to keep me away from Marshall !
You are not old enough to be apart of the putting wheels on recurves ::) a lot of nice bows where sacrificed in that experiment including a double limb double recurve Hit that I wood give a pile of money to have back so we will just drop that
Guy
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Buckeye, I also am a double agent ...shhhhhh don't tell anybody I have wheels...
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DONT FORGET WHERE YOUR FROM YOU SUNNAVAGUN!
GO BLUE!!!!!!! ;)
@Guy..if i shot wheelie bows then im guilty of promoting it as well,even if im not old enough to be a part of the industrial revolution.. :laugh:
thad if your telling the truth and still shooting those things,then im gonna drive out to minnesota and grab that pile of junk metal out of your heads and bash it like a rock star >:D....geez...why so violent blackhawk....lol :laugh:
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DONT FORGET WHERE YOUR FROM YOU SUNNAVAGUN!
GO BLUE!!!!!!! ;)
@Guy..if i shot wheelie bows then im guilty of promoting it as well,even if im not old enough to be a part of the industrial revolution.. :laugh:
thad if your telling the truth and still shooting those things,then im gonna drive out to minnesota and grab that pile of junk metal out of your heads and bash it like a rock star >:D....geez...why so violent blackhawk....lol :laugh:
WOW blackhawk don't hold back tell me how you really feel ...sorry I did not mean to blowup...im
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Could not fit in the quote but I am an archery addict 1-3strings...I got 2turn tables and a microphone, where its at ;D >:D
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sorry soy...im havin a bad day,and to top it off i just had a tension failure snap a limb clean off on an electric yeller wood with purpleheart overlays n handle :-[ >:(....so it didnt take much to flip my switch ..lol :laugh:..its one of them days
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Sorry to hear that my friend, I was just playing along no feelings are hurt here :'(
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i know ;)
im wanting to chrono this soon,but its looking wet n dreary all week here...i need good lighting to get a good read with it,them things are tempermental
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I am guilty of shooting wheels in the past, guilty of buying one for a friend recently, and guilty of enjoying them. Also guilty of being a bow tech on them at bass pro shops and encouraging folks to buy them at one point. However fun they are to shoot and hit withing a 1/2 inch of your point of aim, its much much more fun to go to the range and piss all the compound guys off with my wooden bows.
My favorite thing to do is go to the range and stand next to a guy shooting his bow and tuning it. His arrow will go left and low of his mark and make an adjustment. I will then shoot my arrow right at his and hit within 2 inches or so. Then he fires again, misses, makes another adjustment, and I will hit right next to his again and wait. This will go on untill he is hitting bulls eye fairly regularly, and I will be to. I then look at him and say, well, looks like we finally got our bows tuned in. I usually get a weird look from whoever is shooting, which is pricless. Then we either will talk about bows for a bit or I will just keep shooting laughing inside. Yall should try it sometime, really funny.
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i knew right ater i shot my first arrow that i at least needed to seal it...and since its not for any hunting forays i just left it as is and slopped some tru oil on her. ill take her out for special occasion when i feel like letting loose. ;D....sorry nuttin fancy here guys :P
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Hey man, I am lovin it.... To the point that I have a nice naturally r/d mulberry I am gonna modle after this design. However, I want a stiff handle. Do you feel a bendy handle is important to your design or will it work with a stiff handle?
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sleek..i think a stiff handle would work with it...i wood just add the length of your handle to it for your overall length. my first version(yeller mighty mouse)is 50.5" ntn and pulls to 25". i bet if you wanted a stiff handle design at this draw length you wood just add 8" to it and make it 58.5"ntn. if you wanted more draw length then just add 2" to your length for every addtional inch of draw. i think the bend in the handle eases the stresses in this better than a stiff handle would...thats putting a lot of stress into the fades area. but i havent tried it with a stiff handle yet either...thats just some of my opinionated thoughts on it. go back and read my responses to ken about a stiff handle compared to a bend in the handle in this design.i also wood only do this design with good sound wood(thru the working limbs)cus thats asking a lot out of the wood and really making them work in overtime. and start out a lil on the wide side and you can reduce down later as you tiller. i wood prob start out at around 1 3/4"(no less) wide at the fades with a good piece of mulberry. feel free to ask me anymore questions you have as you know ill answer them
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B-O-R-I-N-G. .............except the tips. They look cool! Bring it to Marshall so I can launch a few miss isles from her!
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B-O-R-I-N-G. .............except the tips. They look cool! Bring it to Marshall so I can launch a few miss isles from her!
will do....guess you dont like your race cars stripped down and in disguise :P ;) ;D
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I'm with you Hawkman always liked the Mustang in Bullit, no FooFooo just mean machine :)
Fine lookin shooter !!!