Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Lee Slikkers on March 03, 2012, 07:38:51 pm
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Hey folks, I imagine this topic has been done to the point of saturation but I figured I give my version. I have tried a few different sources of material for hide glue over the last year but have pretty much settled on this "recipe".
I stop at Wally World and they always have these in stock. I like em cause you get a better volume to cost ration ($5) and they snip up nicely into small pieces which makes for a quicker reduction. They are a 50 count package. (Don't get the smoked or flavored versions as they do some really odd things to your glue)
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Here is a shot of the chews all cut into very small piece...I use the entire 50 pieces.
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Next I like to add 4 "croaker" fish bladders...I find these at one of our Asian Food Markets and pick up a couple dozen at a time. I use the bandage cutters to snip these into smaller pieces as well (if you have carpel tunnel syndrome you will certainly be feeling it by now after the 50 chews and these tough suckers!)
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All cut up in the crock now, I will add a fair amount of hot water and put it on my small double crock cooker/warmer which has 3 settings...Low, High and Warm. I put it on High and leave the cover slightly ajar to aid in evaporation and let the heat and water do their magic for the next 10+ hours.
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Stay Tuned for the next update.
Thanks for looking~
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Great topic and you are doing a great job. Clear and simple to follow directions. Thank you for doing this.
Dane
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My pleasure Dane...I have a Molly bow that was gifted to my Son and we want to add some sinew to it to give it a bit more heft for some Bow-fishing this spring.
Add just to make sure this thread has a small vein of "Primitive" to it I also like to add a small handful of toe nail clippings to the mix (if it is timely to do so... ::))
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Here is pretty much the wrap-up for the demo. Here is a shot of my double crock that works great for this type of work.
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A pretty much full quart of Hide Glue...I'll let this cool down and then it will get popped in the freezer for future use.
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A shot of the screen I use for sorting out the slimies & leftovers (didn't notice any whole toe nails so they must have reduced nicely >:D ::))
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There are the leftover remnants...don't throw em out, add more water to the crock, toss em back in and set it to high and let them keep rendering. This will yield a mini-batch but worth it to this cheap Dutchman.
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Hope it helped someone out...Thanks for looking~
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Cool thread Lee. I bet the fish bladders add some extar "tack" to the recipe. Thats a whole lotta glue!
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Toenails give me the heebee jeebees. Other than that, this is a nice how to. I could have used it a couple of weeks ago.
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Sorry Osage Outlaw (and the others) I added the bit about the toenails for some humor, didn't really add them to the mix but I suppose you could if you wanted too. ::) I knew my humor was dry but I guess this one bordered on tasteless. Cheers~
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Cool follow-along,were the fish bladders your own special touch or are they necessary?Ron
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The fish bladders help to give the glue a touch more "open time" when working as they don't get quite as fast as pure Hide Glue...for a batch this large I should have probably added another 4 or 5 more but this stuff will work just fine.
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Very nice Lee thanks for doing this! The toe nail bit was funny I almost choked on my whiskey lol
Josh
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I've gone to every store in my little town. You don't happen to have an online source for the fish bladders do you? I've spent almost 2 hours looking, and only have 1 source that charges $18 + shipping for 3oz.
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When I saw the tool you use for trimming up the chewies, I immediately thought you were going to add talon and beak coping remnants!!! I have the exact same cutter in my bird shed!
Sharpen it up with a Dremel and save your carpals from carping about the workout.
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Could you use a bandsaw to cut the rawhides into little bits like that?
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I've gone to every store in my little town. You don't happen to have an online source for the fish bladders do you? I've spent almost 2 hours looking, and only have 1 source that charges $18 + shipping for 3oz.
I don't even recall the little Asian store I picked these up at so I'm afraid I can't help ya out there but I do need to buy some more before I move & leave this area so if I do I'll let ya know.
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When I saw the tool you use for trimming up the chewies, I immediately thought you were going to add talon and beak coping remnants!!! I have the exact same cutter in my bird shed!
Sharpen it up with a Dremel and save your carpals from carping about the workout.
JW, if you feed food objects with large bone (rabbit heads, squirrel hide, etc) you almost totally eliminate the need to cope but I can see where you folks would need to trim talons...I need em as sharp as I can get em >:D
The cutter WAS sharp when I started but after 50 of those rawhides at about 20 cuts per stick they can get dull even while working on one batch, have to try the dremel sharpening I guess 8)
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Could you use a bandsaw to cut the rawhides into little bits like that?
Don't see why you couldn't but with all the fiddly pieces I personally wouldn't (I'm afraid I'd loose a finger tip :o)...I try to cut em thin so they reduce down quicker.
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Lee couldn't you just drop the lost finger tip into the batch? No sense wasting it.
Lane
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Cool how too Rice Crispies ;) Them was some big hoof clippings :laugh:
Cipriano
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Lane, yup...if the finger tip had bone in it more the better :o
Cip...Crispies indeed! Hooves were WAY past due ::)
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looks like you are cooking up some fun projects to come. Thanks for posting this brew- a -long!
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looks like you are cooking up some fun projects to come. Thanks for posting this brew- a -long!
Yes Sir, never can have too much of a good thing on hand ;) Hopefully I'll be rewarming some of this up again real soon.
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Sorry about that Josh, really am...
Yup, I am starting to prep materials for a NA Bison horn / sinew bow, then I have a pair of Gemsbok horns I need to play with and then hopefully onto my 1st Asiatic Horn bow. Guess it's the "Year of the Horn Bow" for me... >:D
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are those twisties the ~1/4" thick variety? none of my local stores carry that brand and I thought they looked like the small pack I found of 100 for about $15
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Not 100% sure Sempertiger but pretty much any little rawhide that hasn't been smoked or flavored should work fine...good luck!