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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2007, 08:17:33 pm

Title: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2007, 08:17:33 pm
I got a couple of billets from Pat when I was at the Tennessee Classic, I think they were sassafras. Photo 1 shows the back I was asking you about Pat. Today while I was outside with Cody while he was working on his bow, I started to fit them to the takedown sleeve.  I decided to post a build along of the fitting process. The sleeve I will be using is a large takedown sleeve from 3-Rivers.  The sleeve pieces fit to tight to each other.  Somebody on here told me to cut the inside piece then smash them tight. I cant remember who told me, but you know who you are.  I fitted the wood without this step and put it together, and I couldn't get it apart, so don't skip this step.  Photo two shows the sleeve insert cut with a hacksaw.  I then squeezed it in the vice until the sides of the cut stayed tight against each other.  I cut the wood to the width of the sleeve, then cut it to depth. After that I just got busy with the rasp, then the belt sander to make the wood fit into the sleeve without expanding the hacksaw cut.  Once it fits, you can put the pieces on the wood and test fit it to the handle piece.  Now I am ready to glue, I am just not sure what kind of glue to use.  Any suggestions?  Justin

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Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2007, 08:18:47 pm
A couple more.

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Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Pat B on September 03, 2007, 08:41:30 pm
Justin, That is hickory. ;D Now I remember. ::)     Pat
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: DBernier on September 03, 2007, 08:45:39 pm
Hey Justin, that is classy. Some good hints too.

Dick
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2007, 09:55:51 pm
Justin, That is hickory. ;D Now I remember. ::)     Pat
That is not what you told me before.  Of course that was a month before you gave it to me.  Maybe you changed your mind on what you wanted to give me.  :o ;D Justin
BTW I'm only kidding, I cant remember that far back. 
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: cowboy on September 03, 2007, 10:07:46 pm
Glad your doin the build along Justin! I'm planning on trying that some day, have a hard time finding long pieces of good osage.
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 03, 2007, 10:20:43 pm
I had a little propeller twist so I tried to take it out by not lining the backs up perfectly.  You can see I have a little left. OK I have a lot left and I'm going to have to remove some now.  Justin

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Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: tradrick on September 03, 2007, 11:32:13 pm
I've always wondered about a T/D selfbow.Do they still perform well ? I know I can think of more than once were transporting one would have been more convinant if it was a T/D.And I don't even get to hunt out of state.Very cool Justin.tradrick
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Pat B on September 04, 2007, 12:55:37 am
Justin, what are the dimensions of the bow? She ought to perform well in your dry(usually) climate.
    Pat
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Stickhead on September 04, 2007, 01:24:17 pm
I'm currently working on my second takedown using the small 3 Rivers sleeve.  I love the portability, and sometimes it's the only option for short billets.

Here's a question.-- why are two inner sleeves necessary?  I'm inclined to just fit one end directly into the outer sleeve, and one end into one of the the copper inner sleeves.  Any reason why I shouldn't do this?

-Tom
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: brokennock on September 04, 2007, 02:27:37 pm
Why cut the inner sleeve? Wouldn't this allow it to be expanded too far to fit in the outer sleeve? I still haven't started my takedown so I don't know for sure.
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 04, 2007, 05:47:48 pm
Stickhead, I think it would work without the second brass sleeve, but you can get a better fit if you use it. It allows you to see how far you have inserted the wood. Then you can see the butt end to get a better glue up, and allows you to clean up the glue after gluing.
Brokennock,  The inner brass sleeves were to dang tight to get them back apart without beating it with a hammer.  If you cut then squeeze it closed, you can slide the brass piece out without beating up the bow. You just have to make sure you fit it so the gap is closed before you glue.  Once it is glued, there are no worries. Justin
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Pappy on September 05, 2007, 05:44:07 am
Very nice justin,nice build along.The wood looks like Hickory or Iron wood from the back. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 05, 2007, 11:09:19 am
Thanks Pappy, it is hickory.  I was comparing it to the hickory I brought from your place, and it don't look much like it.  It has a different color and density. 
Pat, I haven't forgot you.  68" TTT, 1 3/4"wide from fades to 10" past.  Tapers to 1/2", 3" before the tips, then is 1/2" to tips. It is still 5/8" thick.  I need to heat it and take out the propeller and maybe reflex it a little.  Then I will thin and narrow.  Justin
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Mark Smeltzer on September 06, 2007, 07:06:46 pm
Justin,
Thanks for the build along, this is one I tried befor and did not have good results doing.  I will have to try it again.

Mark
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 09, 2007, 06:14:32 pm
I had to take some propeller out. Most of the propeller was near the handle so I made a little contraption to take it out.  I used a pipe wrench hooked onto the handle.  I put a 5 gallon bucket with obsidian in it on the handle to supply the leverage to hold it in place until it cooled.  I put a small C clamp on the handle to stop the bucket from sliding.  The clamp can be moved closer to the bow to decrease the leverage, or farther down the handle to increase the leverage.  Yes I know it is a rather farmer contraption.  But it works great.  Justin

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Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: cowboy on September 09, 2007, 07:35:17 pm
I seen stuff like that at OJAM ;D
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: DanaM on September 09, 2007, 08:02:43 pm
What a redneck ;D
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: venisonburger on September 09, 2007, 11:35:33 pm
I have a big jumbo cresent wrench (about 20") that I use, I like the bucket idea, I used a gallon of paint off the very end of the wrench. with a rope through the hole in the end of the wrench.
With your idea though you can adjust the amount of reverse twist.
Do you find that you have to go a little past your intended correction to account for spring back?
VB
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 10, 2007, 12:39:38 am
Dana, I prefer farmer.  You know they never buy anything if they can rig something up with what they have. (bailing wire from the tractor) ;)
VB, I am not an expert at bending wood, or anything else, but I think you always have to bend just beyond what you want to end up with.  Justin
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Pappy on September 10, 2007, 09:06:15 am
Nice rig justin,I have found on Hickory go about half again what you want it to do and you will be about right.Don't know with steam but with dry heat it works pretty close. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Lost Arra on September 20, 2007, 01:31:50 pm
Rather than cut the brass sleeves I lightly used file then a rag wheel and pumice to adjust the fit of the sleeve in the handle so I could remove it with a good tug. Then polished it with the jewelers rouge and rub on some beeswax and it fits solid and slides apart with effort but not a hammer.
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 20, 2007, 01:49:17 pm
Sounds like a great plan Lost Arra.  You probably got a better fit than I did.  With the price of those dang sleeves, you shouldn't have to do anything to them to make them fit good.  Justin
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Rich Saffold on September 20, 2007, 02:18:55 pm
Ya those sleeves tend to be a bit pricey when you consider the lousy fit they have when purchased. Good to have this going here Justin..Brings back memories..

Rich
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: DCM on September 20, 2007, 02:38:23 pm
My experience with those sleeves was the the maile (brass) one would expand and contract with moisture content (in osage).  Eventually had to build it up with JB Weld but that was after it was long since finished and shot in.  Initially it was almost too tight to get separated.

Nice build along.  Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: Sleeved Takedown Bow build along
Post by: Lost Arra on September 20, 2007, 03:36:21 pm
No matter how you attached the brass sleeves it is very helpful to rub some of the furniture beeswax on the male sleeve. This is the solid bar of wax used to keep drawers sliding smoothly. I always worried about a little moisture causing some corrosion that would "weld" the steel and brass sleeves together.