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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: cowboy on September 06, 2007, 09:51:00 pm

Title: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 06, 2007, 09:51:00 pm
I gave one of em a go today after work. Haven't had time to fetch a froe for the job, so did it with what I had on hand. Don't know that a froe would work with the grain being on a radius like it is anyway ???, seems like it would cut through a lot of rings on the edges.
  Had some railroad spikes laying around, thought they might work - but have come to the conclusion that you need a wedge with a more gradual slope to it. The stave did come off fairly easily, but I think I went through about six rings in the process. The stave looks like c%$$^%, but I went ahead and sealed it (if thiers a need?) I think so, and will prolly have a nice bow in it. Anyway, if any advice - lemme have it ;D ;D.




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Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 06, 2007, 10:22:25 pm
You did a great job splitting it out.  I did a whole bunch of mulberry like that last year.  I took the wood chisle and scored the growth ring that I wanted it to seperate on all the way from one end to the other.  It worked great.  Justin
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: mullet on September 06, 2007, 10:31:52 pm
  I've never split one out of a stave that wide.But when splitting one out of a thinner stave I start in the middle with my wedges and work the same ring to both ends.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: Pappy on September 07, 2007, 06:30:32 am
I do it just like that just with a wedge.Most of the time it will bust right down the ring.
Clean it up a little and there is the back.I love belly splits. Good job. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 07, 2007, 07:47:23 am
WHat I do when working with dry wood is I clean up both sides so I can clearly see the growth rings. Then I drive a 1" wide chisel into a single earlywood ring all the way around about 1/4" deep. By the time I get to where I started the staves just come apart
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: DCM on September 07, 2007, 09:07:33 am
I do like Marc, although I'm not as particular about kerfing all the way around with a chisel, I do try to lead the split a good bit.  I think the secret is the dry wood.  Seems to part in a ring much easier that way.  Obviously any snake, whoop-d-dos or big knots make it harder.  If you hopped a bunch of rings you can always make billets, one end having more complete rings than the other. 
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: DanaM on September 07, 2007, 09:10:50 am
Looks pretty good for a first try Paul.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 07, 2007, 09:49:27 am
OK, Thanks guys! Think I'll give it a try like that - running a ring all the way around with the chisel and see what happens, surely I wouldn't go through as many rings that way. Think I'm gonna take the bark off and seal a few of em, throw em in the top of the barn and forget about em for a few years.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: tom sawyer on September 07, 2007, 11:43:54 am
I usually start with a hatchet, and then shove the froe in so its not pulling multiple rings off the sides.  More of a pry bar type action.  By the way, I had a froe made from a leaf spring so its not real thick or deep.

I'd caution you to first pull the bark off and see what your good outer stuff looks like, there've been times when I had to go down a few rings to get under some imperfectoin and you might wind up needing more depth than you think.  The piggyback stave isn't worth coming up short on the main staves.

But good job!  Looks like it'll be an intersting character stave with the knots and all.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 07, 2007, 10:09:28 pm
Thanks Lennie!! I think if I was to split the quarters in half the grain would be straighter across the end - not so much radius, and I'm still going to try the froe after I do that. You were absolutely right about the piggy back having some knots and pins in it, cause it did ;D. That one will have to be cut down about 18" and have a little character to it, but at least their was that one more stave that didn't get wasted. Will post when I try it again.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: RidgeRunner on September 10, 2007, 06:34:04 pm
Cowboy:

One more hint.  As green as your Osage is it would be wise to seal the belly side of the main log after a belly split is removed.
Green Osage will crack from the belly side as well.

David
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 11, 2007, 11:08:51 am
Glad you said that Ridge! I did not know that. I'm working them all down to small (or regular sized)stave's one at a time after work. Thanks.
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: GregB on September 11, 2007, 02:34:54 pm

Cowboy, did you take your chicken with you on your tree cutting venture...I didn't see him in the back of the truck? ;D
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 11, 2007, 03:18:11 pm
Greg, ha ;D. Nope, tha chicken herd is getting thin - been warring with dogs and hawks whenever I'm home. Know where I could get a good hound?
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: GregB on September 12, 2007, 08:28:55 am
Come on over to Tn. some time, I'm sure you could find yourself a hound here abouts. Pappy has owned several over the years... ;)
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: Justin Snyder on September 12, 2007, 09:41:42 am
Sounds like the other critters are doing a fine job of killing off the chickens. You don't really need a hound to finish them off.  ::) Justin
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 12, 2007, 09:47:43 am
Your right Justin, i'll hold off on the hound till I've exausted all of my resources ;D. Me and the two little dogs battled it out with a kitty kitty (black/ with white stripe down back) yesterday - the aroma got a little strong for my liking. Hmm, wonder what would be a good use for skunk hide?
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: DanaM on September 12, 2007, 11:28:50 am
Trade it to Justin for a box of rocks ;D
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: Hillbilly on September 12, 2007, 01:25:21 pm
Use it for string silencers and you wouldn't have to worry about anybody stealing your bow :)
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: DBernier on September 12, 2007, 01:55:13 pm
Hillbilly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats funny   ;D

Dick
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: GregB on September 12, 2007, 02:00:13 pm
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Use it for string silencers and you wouldn't have to worry about anybody stealing your bow

Not only that, but using it for string silencers would play the dual role of acting as a masking scent while hunting! ;)
Title: Re: Piggy back stave.
Post by: cowboy on September 12, 2007, 07:57:33 pm
That's a purty good idea Steve, hmm - ya'll get ready for pic's ;D. Am going covert tonight and eliminate threat - I see he gathered the eggs for me last night >:(.