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Title: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 24, 2012, 07:18:02 pm
Severely disappointed to say the least. 64" ntn, 52# @ 27", 50th draw, dead nutz tiller. It weighed 16.1 oz and was 1 3/16" wide, rounded belly, short bottom limb. Which coincedentley was the limb that blew. Not happy right now.............gimme some osage before I blow, Long live the king!!!




Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: rossfactor on August 24, 2012, 07:24:13 pm
It really hurts when everything looks good just before Kapow. The sting will wear off in a day though. Best remedy is finishing a bow that works.

Don't give up on Yew though. The species is sure as hell not what made this blow. Must a been a bad apple.

Gabe

 
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: lesken2011 on August 24, 2012, 07:30:24 pm
Thank goodness. I was beginning to think you were Superman!! ::)


No...really...Sorry to hear that PD.  :(
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: coaster500 on August 24, 2012, 07:31:07 pm
That's a nasty break Drums...  That bow was looking great :(
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: bubby on August 24, 2012, 07:35:06 pm
at least it was a spectacular explosion >:D, still sucks don't it, Bub
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 24, 2012, 07:50:03 pm
I have broke four bows out of dang near 90 now. Three werent osage. Im angry and ranting not arguing which wood is better.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 24, 2012, 07:52:00 pm
Sounds like you need to work with more white woods.   >:D

Tough break, literally.  We all seemed pretty interested to see what came of this wood.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: DQ on August 24, 2012, 07:54:49 pm
Ohhhhhhh Noooooo!  That bow was looking good the other day.  Would rawhide backing have maybe saved it from Ka-pow?

That does, however, look like it was a spectacular explosion!
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: DQ on August 24, 2012, 07:57:01 pm
Hey PEARL, was that the upper limb?  The one we talked about taking more set? (stress)  Just wondering?

Anyway get whittling on that ash stave, that one wont blow.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 24, 2012, 07:57:17 pm
I dont think so Darryl, the whole limb just went and FAST. I wasnt at full draw yet so it just clipped my face going by.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: osage outlaw on August 24, 2012, 08:21:08 pm
Ouch!  That really stinks.  Glad you weren't hurt.



Your yard looks a lot like mine.  More dirt than grass.  Dang drought
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: RyanY on August 24, 2012, 08:43:16 pm
My guess is that the bow didn't have enough mass for what you were asking of it. Did it take much set before blowing?
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 24, 2012, 08:47:48 pm
Dont know Ryan. I never unbraced it before it blew so I have no idea how much set it had taken. It was straight when I braced it.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: RyanY on August 24, 2012, 09:07:10 pm
Ah. Well I'm not the most knowledgable about mass calculations but my guess is that it should have been around 18.5oz. I know Steve (Badger) says yew often comes in under mass but I think 2.5 oz would be a bit much.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: KHalverson on August 24, 2012, 09:12:13 pm
YIKES!
that stinks
i think ida had to change my shorts after that
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: blackhawk on August 24, 2012, 10:04:15 pm
 :-[   >:(  :(  :-\   :'(

Looks like maybe it was too dry for an explosion like that,and possibly too low in mass.  I know whenever I've gone under 2 ounces its never pretty.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: johnston on August 24, 2012, 10:09:22 pm
Pearlie are you gonna do a "How To" thread on the repair?
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: tattoo dave on August 24, 2012, 10:13:43 pm
Bummer Pearl! That looks a lot like my last ERC bow. Lots of pieces. :( We all know how that stuff likes to blow up.

Tattoo Dave
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Dvshunter on August 24, 2012, 10:28:21 pm
That's sucks Pearl. It makes me nervous as I'm working my piece.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 24, 2012, 10:42:00 pm
I wouldnt be gun shy about yours DVS. I think some woods are just more apt to explode and or break than others. I have seen plenty of spectacular explosion pics from yew, erc and juniper. Im sure its great when its great, no question about that as Ive seen it. If I have to nit pick my building down to ounces, weight and mass I need to switch lumber. My brain doesnt work that way. It was a fun build and I learned how to make round bellies and tiller them, all was not lost I guess.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Josh B on August 24, 2012, 10:46:30 pm
Man! That just flat out sucks! :'(  she was sure looking good up to that point. Josh
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Gaur on August 24, 2012, 10:57:45 pm
bummer.  sorry for you.  I hate when that happens but glad you weren't hurt.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Badger on August 25, 2012, 12:21:43 am
  That looks just like my ERC bow, same story, had a few dozen arrows then Kapow,
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Bryce on August 25, 2012, 12:36:37 am
Is the air pretty dry where you live? Some yew, you get and it sucks. Taken from the wrong side of the tree. Who knows. Many factors. What an explosion though.
Sorry to hear man. You all out of yew now?
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: soy on August 25, 2012, 02:52:01 am
WOW thats a lot o pieces bet it was loud  :'(  that stinks, what is your belief on the cause?
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Gordon on August 25, 2012, 04:07:12 am
That's happened to me more times than I care to admit. Just gotta let it go and move on to the next one.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: chamookman on August 25, 2012, 05:58:21 am
We've all been there PD, sweep up the pieces and move on to the next one. Matt Wirwicki had the BEST blow-up I ever witnessed in My shop MANY years ago - last inch of draw on the wall and POW, lot's of flying debrit plus the scale SLAMMING the floor - spectacular  >:D!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't remember exactly what wood it was, but I know it wasn't Osage.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 25, 2012, 10:19:03 am
Is the air pretty dry where you live? Some yew, you get and it sucks. Taken from the wrong side of the tree. Who knows. Many factors. What an explosion though.
Sorry to hear man. You all out of yew now?

The humidity ranged from 50-55 most of the week and the bow weighed between 16.1-16.4 the whole time, that tells me about 9% rh. Im afraid that was my only chunk Bryce. I actually rolled the limb around and found the top side to use as my back thinking it was already trained in tension strength.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 25, 2012, 10:20:02 am
Steve thats a nice one as well! Gotta love those light weight woods when they go!
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 25, 2012, 10:48:42 am
Archery in general and bow making in particular can be quite humbling. I've been humbled on many an occasion, PD. Here's a photo of Broken Bow Gardens. I usually pick up another stave and have a go. :) Jawge

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/Jawge/Broken%20Bow%20Gardens/IMG_2953.jpg)
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: okie64 on August 25, 2012, 01:48:41 pm
That stinks pd, especially on such a perty piece of wood. It happens to all of us but it still sucks when it does happen. Just out of curiosity, how did it shoot? Ive Never had the chance to work with yew or shoot a yew bow.

Nice garden george, good way to put the broke ones to use.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 25, 2012, 01:55:59 pm
We may not have found the fabled Elephant Graveyard, but apparently George has the less well known Bow Graveyard!
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Weylin on August 25, 2012, 01:58:29 pm
Aw, that's not so bad, PD. just squirt a little super glue in those cracks and wrap some sinew around it, you'll have it shooting in no time.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 25, 2012, 02:03:01 pm
Aw, that's not so bad, PD. just squirt a little super glue in those cracks and wrap some sinew around it, you'll have it shooting in no time.


We are such a caring and loving bunch of people, always there with the good advice.   >:D
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Badly Bent on August 25, 2012, 02:11:33 pm
Now I'm disappointed about your bad break PD, was looking forward to seeing what you made out of that yew since I love seeing all of
your bows. I got a hornbeam tillered to about 20" draw right now, it's way under mass I think and I heard some ticks at 20 1/2".
It's gonna blow I believe. If it's a spectacular break I may post it, might help others feel better.
Greg
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 25, 2012, 02:14:51 pm
Aw, that's not so bad, PD. just squirt a little super glue in those cracks and wrap some sinew around it, you'll have it shooting in no time.

If it where three pieces and not six I may try it, I have made crazier things work on bows.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on August 25, 2012, 02:17:46 pm
Now I'm disappointed about your bad break PD, was looking forward to seeing what you made out of that yew since I love seeing all of
your bows. I got a hornbeam tillered to about 20" draw right now, it's way under mass I think and I heard some ticks at 20 1/2".
It's gonna blow I believe. If it's a spectacular break I may post it, might help others feel better.
Greg

Been there done that. Slap some rawhide now and it will last a long time!
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: JW_Halverson on August 25, 2012, 02:31:03 pm
For a guy that plays PERCUSSION, he seems to be disappointed to make such a big noise!

I think that his real disappointment is that there's nothing left big enough to make drumsticks out of!

Have we picked on you enough yet, PD?  Personally, I think that the bow gods decided after all the wonderful stuff you posted on here that they needed to remind you that you really are a mere mortal after all.  Take it as a compliment and move on to the next stave.  Heck, you prolly got the next one already to floor tiller, what am I saying?!?!
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Carson (CMB) on September 04, 2012, 11:14:37 pm
That is too bad.  I hope you don't give up on yew. Sounds like humidity wasn't a factor, so I am suspicious of the low ring count nature of that piece.  Looking at that original post, it looks like 15 rpi on that piece, where with yew, 70 rpi is considered top shelf and 30 rpi is considered low, but manageable.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: Bryce on September 05, 2012, 12:17:51 am
That is too bad.  I hope you don't give up on yew. Sounds like humidity wasn't a factor, so I am suspicious of the low ring count nature of that piece.  Looking at that original post, it looks like 15 rpi on that piece, where with yew, 70 rpi is considered top shelf and 30 rpi is considered low, but manageable.

That was also my first thought. But the pieces look more like a tension failure.
Title: Re: Ka-pow
Post by: raghorns on September 05, 2012, 01:38:22 am
Pearl, I finished up a yew bow that I started at the Tenn. Classic...shot it hundreds of times ...the most amazing bow I have ever shot...it was so dry here all summer, which I think is why it cracked right down the center of the limb. I also had an osage bow break that had been shot for months. 

Plenty of humidity now and shooting a new skinned osage...ready to climb a tree and introduce her to a whitetail.