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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on October 28, 2012, 12:26:13 pm

Title: Two plains sisters (No. 3 + 4)
Post by: simson on October 28, 2012, 12:26:13 pm: Let me show you 2 plains osage bows, 5 curve. The first is a set with 4 arrows, made as a gift for my friend Karl.
The second, from sister stave, with a little more drawweight is mine.

1. Karl's:
It is several times heat corrected (twist and deflex and string alignment); tips are steamed slightly back; backset by dry heat; sinewed in two layers.

The set comes with 4 arrows, 3 arrows are dogwood shafts fletched with black headed gull, 1 is a privet shaft with guineafowl feathers.
All 4 shafts are tapered and grooved, groove filled with earth pigments plus hide glue, nocks are heavily tempered and reinforced with sinew wrapping as also the trade points.

specs:
Length: 46"
braceheight: 4,25"
drawlength: 25"
drawweight: 54#
mass: 320 g (total)
w/d: 31/17 mm grip
24/13 mm midlimb
19/ 11 tips
sinew is roe and deer
snakeskin: diamondback

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/unbraced.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/braced.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/snakeskinback.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/fulldraw.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/oberernock.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/detaillowernockback.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/detailhandlebelly.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/matchedarrows.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/tradepoints.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/nock.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%20Bow%20for%20Karl/setup3.jpg)

2. Mine:
Here is my osage plains bow, it's the sister bow of Karl's.
The bow is 49 ntn, several times heat corrected and untwisted, tips are slightly steamed back, backset by dry heat.
Three layers of sinew covered with diamond back snake skin. Horse hair tassel on the upper nock. Handle is brown buckskin, hemp binding, underlay leather is red dyed moose.
Arrow point is the glass of an olive oil bottle, two feather fletching, privet shaft.

Specs:
ntn 49"
braceheight 4"
drawlength 24"
drawweight 62#
mass 412g (incl. string and skin)
bending handle
w/d: 30/19 mm grip
26/14 mm midlimb
19/8 mm tips

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0069.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0071.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0077.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0067.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0101.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0098.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0097.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0093.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0091.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0066.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0090.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0107.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/Plains%203/_DSC0108.jpg)
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: osage outlaw on October 28, 2012, 12:47:33 pm: WOW! :o
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: jimmy on October 28, 2012, 12:51:48 pm: Those are real pretty short bows. I especially like the first one. Those arrows with it are just beautiful. Heck of a job.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Dictionary on October 28, 2012, 12:56:46 pm: Quote from: osage outlaw on October 28, 2012, 12:47:33 pm
WOW! :o

x1000

The slightly flipped tips and sinew backing must make these shorties very efficient.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Chassit on October 28, 2012, 12:57:09 pm: Gorgeous work!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: ErictheViking on October 28, 2012, 01:08:21 pm: Beautiful work. Both are screaming to be shot off horseback!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: mighty joe on October 28, 2012, 01:12:59 pm: i don't know which looks better, the bows or the arrows. very nice work
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Jodocus on October 28, 2012, 01:16:03 pm: Great stuff! The arrows are a perfect match to the bows.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Trapper Rob on October 28, 2012, 01:16:19 pm: Sweet looking bows.
Rob
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Starfire on October 28, 2012, 01:31:04 pm: Awesome! These look like they came right out of an Indian's hand!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: lostarrow on October 28, 2012, 01:33:28 pm: Absolutely beautiful ,from concept to execution.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: blackhawk on October 28, 2012, 02:04:37 pm: sweeeeeeet!!!!!! and they dont get any better than that :)
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Shaun on October 28, 2012, 02:33:55 pm: Most excellent! Love the detail and authenticity to period. Top shelf work all the way.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: chamookman on October 28, 2012, 02:44:43 pm: WOW is right ! I can't think of a thing to add - nice work Sir. Bob
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: bubby on October 28, 2012, 04:13:20 pm: Quote from: blackhawk on October 28, 2012, 02:04:37 pm
sweeeeeeet!!!!!! and they dont get any better than that :)

x2, cant think of anything else to say, Bub
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: zinger on October 28, 2012, 07:00:18 pm: You are definitely not about shoddy work. Amazing - such fine lines in your workmanship all while looking very natural, like a nice museum piece.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Badly Bent on October 28, 2012, 07:10:04 pm: Smokin' Hottttttttt bows and arrows there, love everything about them. 8) 8) 8)
Greg
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Adam on October 28, 2012, 08:17:34 pm: Way cool! Those tiny nocks sure all amazing and I like how you worked the skin over the tips.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: BowEd on October 28, 2012, 08:36:37 pm: Beautiful lookin shorties.Lot of time into those and it shows.Like your shafts and points too.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: lesken2011 on October 28, 2012, 08:40:04 pm: 2 nice bows, for sure. The arrows are way cool, too! I like the whole deal!!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: adb on October 28, 2012, 09:27:29 pm: Those are 2 of the coolest bows I've seen for a while! I appreciate the amount of work required. You need to find some ponies and buffalo, and go at it!!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: H Rhodes on October 28, 2012, 10:12:57 pm: Amazing craftsmanship. I am blown away! You are not messin around. That's some of the finest gear I have seen posted on here in a while.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: SLIMBOB on October 28, 2012, 11:16:09 pm: Don't get much better than those!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: JonW on October 29, 2012, 08:44:56 am: Man o man them are nice. I love them both!
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Del the cat on October 29, 2012, 08:54:03 am: Great work, gorgeous bows.
Del
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: dwardo on October 29, 2012, 09:18:16 am: Stunning detail. Very nice indeed 8)
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Josh B on October 29, 2012, 09:35:33 am: They should get the job done in style! Josh
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Pappy on October 29, 2012, 09:56:34 am: Beautiful pair of bows,nice work. :)
Pappy
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: simson on October 30, 2012, 06:52:53 am: Thanks for comments!

Quote from: adb on October 28, 2012, 09:27:29 pm

Those are 2 of the coolest bows I've seen for a while! I appreciate the amount of work required. You need to find some ponies and buffalo, and go at it!!

unfortunately in Germany bowhunting is illegal - so no way ...
But I know a guy, who has a herd of buffaloes (about 50 or so), living near by me. I like to watch the buffalos and dreaming how great it must have been, when thousands of them were running over the plains ....

simson
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Bowman on October 30, 2012, 09:25:54 am: Fantastic. Awesome. Really beautiful. Rattlesnake skin? :-) The next one I will build in osage. Which material do you use for the strings? :-)
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: simson on October 30, 2012, 10:07:12 am: On this bows it is B50, But nowadays usually BCY 425 X
Here is my answer in your thread about FF:
I also switched from B50 to FF. In some cases, especially with lower dense wood, no good results (damaged bows). So one day I found BCY425X, and IMO this is a very good material with no creep and a bit of stretch witch is essential for primitve bows. Now I make all my strings with this material, strengthen it up at the ears with some short additional B50 leftovers. My strings are very thin, for example only 1,3 mm for a 70# bow, using2 x 6 strands.

There are allot of different FF out on the market, I'm interested what you guys are using ...

skins are diamond back

simson
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: Hrothgar on November 30, 2012, 11:56:00 am: Simson, I'm just now getting around to checking out your bows and arrows. Beautiful work and attention to detail.
Title: Re: Two plains sisters
Post by: stickbow bender on December 01, 2012, 01:43:03 pm: The arrows with the first bow are something to look at , but the second bow is what really catches my eye. Really caught my attention. Good job!