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Title: Cypress?
Post by: Electricfrontporch on October 05, 2007, 11:31:46 am
Hey.  Just recently found the magazine and the message boards.  They are great and thanks to those who make them possible.
Being from florida I have little access to native hardwoods.
I have finally had some success with board bows and would like to move on to staves. I have access to some cypress. I have heard of flatbows being made with cypress. Just curious if anyone has any experience or insight into which styles might be successful.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: snedeker on October 05, 2007, 11:56:07 am
Its specific gravity of .46 suggests that it is not a terrific bow wood.

Dave
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: welch2 on October 05, 2007, 01:01:39 pm
I got a really nice guava stave in trade from a friend in Florida.   ;D
Look at the woods that grow there ,instead of looking for the trees that the rest of us use.

Ralph
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Ludi Mile on October 05, 2007, 01:05:00 pm
Which species do you have in mind? I've made light bows out of cypress that grows in the Mediterranean, Cupressus sempervirens. Those were successes, if by success you mean a shootable bow. When I attempted a 60" flatbow it snapped at 23" at about 50 pounds. I'd dare to say that tiller was well done so it should be about the wood being inadequate. But then it could be one of those self defense pyschological mechanisms, lol. Anyway, I noticed that these woods, though of the same species, were somehow different in texture. Also, they were cut in different seasons. I don't know if it has effect, but shootables were made from would cut in late summer/early fall, while the failed one was cut in early spring. The wood cut in spring tended to kinda shatter under a draw knife, it didn't leave the smooth surface but rings tore apart leaving small pits. Also when worked with a hatchet the rings sometimes completely separated, so the piece I cut away had natural bump down its entire length, and part of the stave was left with a groove. That was on belly side, the back was clear because you can strip the bark off and it will never check. I never saw that when I worked autumn cut and hardwoods like ash. So, I'll just fell another tree sometime before winter and when seasoned try to make at least a mid weight bow.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Stickhead on October 05, 2007, 03:00:40 pm
You might have Eastern Red Cedar in your area.  That works nice, if you can find a clean piece.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on October 05, 2007, 06:48:09 pm
          Can use erc like said above and guava, yellow grows here ifn you can find it also like said above. Cypress will work fer bows , make sure you get bald cypress not pond cypress. Cypress bows will last fer one year and then chrystal on belly. Make them about 66-68 " long , bendy handle d-bows 1 1/4 ' taperin' ta 1 ' er so tips. I have made many bows like this up to 55-58 lbs. Bald cypress is Taxodium discticbum. Pond cypress is Taxodium ascendens, you dont want this its very soft and has no tension in wood ta speak of. Good luck.......................................bob
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Electricfrontporch on October 05, 2007, 08:09:22 pm
Thanks for the info. From the sound of things i will have to do some homework as far as species and such. Thanks for the info on ercedar. would an elb or flatbow style be more appropriate?
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 05, 2007, 09:01:50 pm
  n beachy,does that handle mean you are in the Miami area?If so bob has the hook on all the wood in your area.Up here we have cedar,hickory,mulberry,guava,for just a few of the local woods.there are quite a few more that I haven't tried,persimmon,plum,citrus,camphor,oak, and numerous exotics.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 06, 2007, 07:25:56 pm
  I guess I should have checked your profile and I wouldn't have insulted you about Miami.You live about an hour north of me.I hunt up around Astor.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: bjordnolf on October 06, 2007, 09:04:48 pm
Just go out in the woods and look for hickory nuts and then you have your wood. Shouldnt be too hard. Sure are alot of Floridians joining lately.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: taylormade on October 06, 2007, 09:06:45 pm
hey,
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 06, 2007, 09:11:10 pm
  I thought the same thing,enough for our own get together.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: taylormade on October 06, 2007, 09:12:58 pm
 :)i have found that a good plain sawn  cypress board will make a great flat bow at 68".i  have made several and all  came out well.but-onlt good for back  yard shooter or youth bow 35# and below.i make 15  and 20# for my grand child in 58  to 62  in.and 30 to 35 # for my dad,who is 78  years old-easy wood to  work with -few if any knots and makesa great shooter.                                                                                                         taylormade             
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 06, 2007, 10:21:00 pm
  I have some 4' logs I'm going to split and see how it is for arrows.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Electricfrontporch on October 07, 2007, 04:50:31 am
You must be anative as well mullet. Only we would understand the miami bit. I always thought most of the wood here was not bow friendly it appears i was mistaken. let us know how the arrows turn out and thanks for all the info. As soon as i get home from the road i will have to do some tree huntin. and yes a gathering of florida stickbows would be great
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 07, 2007, 12:36:39 pm
  Yep, born and raised here.Not many of them around anymore.For all you Florida guy's,there is a knap-in and primitive arts get together in Dade City in Feb.I was going to be there with some bow building stuff.I'll post the info down below.
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: Electricfrontporch on October 09, 2007, 12:06:56 pm
keep us posted on the knap in eddie
will definately attend if my schedule allows
Title: Re: Cypress?
Post by: mullet on October 09, 2007, 06:51:43 pm
 I  posted the information in the events section.