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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: tgtmatt on December 24, 2012, 01:43:51 am

Title: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 24, 2012, 01:43:51 am
So I've posted about my bow recently on my old thread but no one seemed to notice so I wasn't sure if i had to make a new one or not? Can someone clear this up for me? How are members supposed to know when I've updated my old thread.

Well anyways I just got her drawing pretty good and I've got a few pics of me drawing it from a low brace.

Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 24, 2012, 01:53:10 am
well, for one i have been checking your thread, two, you can update your progress by putting in the title of your first post (Updated 12/22  12:00AM) by the first post i mean going to the very first post in the thread and clicking modify, then edit the title(this is what i do to let people know things have change.) Third. Your bottom limb is looking good, but the top im seeing a stiff spot that isnt bending as much as the rest of the other limb.


EDIT: I should add, that line isnt exact measure of where its not bending, its just a marker for where you need to take a look and see what you need to do.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 24, 2012, 01:57:39 am
Okay thank you very much for that information. I'm not trying to make anyone mad at me for posting new threads so much. Just a little new I would say.

Thank you, I just noticed that stiffness now. As I remove more wood how should I decide which limb should be my top limb? I still have not decided.

Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 24, 2012, 02:00:22 am
the weaker limb(the limb that bends a tad more) will be your top limb(unless you made one limb shorter or longer than the other.)  Remember after removing wood to "teach" the wood to bend, just draw it back a bit, then a bit more, ect, once you get to where you were before you can see how you did at correcting the tiller.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Bryce on December 24, 2012, 02:01:57 am
There is a "show new replies to your posts" link at the top left part of the page which members check frequently so there is no need to start new posts. :)
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 24, 2012, 02:05:10 am
Haha that's a good point you have Pinecone. I guess I didn't think about that.  :P


So as I am finished removing wood slowly draw it to the previous draw length I had it at? Not just pull right to exact length?
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 24, 2012, 02:07:49 am
pull to a fraction of it in example. if i had just had it at 24" then i removed wood i would take it down to 15" then relax it, then to 18 relax 22 relax 24 relax then check tiller at 24"
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 24, 2012, 02:09:58 am
Okay that makes good sense. I still don't even know the draw weight of this bow and it's driving me crazy because my scale wont be here for at least a week. Hoping I made it at least into the 45# to 50# range. I guess we will see when the time comes.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 24, 2012, 02:35:57 am
I ordered one as well, trust me when i say that if you make 30 you will be in good shape, Whats important right now is making a nice tiller, once you got that down then you can tackle heavy bows, however, if you get a heavy bow then right on!
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Carson (CMB) on December 24, 2012, 03:48:42 am
Matt. when it comes time to fling some arrows, adjust that bow arm elbow.  Dont lock it out, put a little bend in it.  Not that you asked ;D
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Pappy on December 24, 2012, 06:53:13 am
Looking pretty good,just keep working the flat spots and move on a ince or so at a time,slow and easy. :) What draw are you at now and what weight at that draw ? What draw are you looking for and what weight ?
   Pappy
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: aaron on December 24, 2012, 12:31:17 pm
can't you just measure the weight with a bathroom scale like you did last week?
as far as which limb to make the top, assuming that the string lines up in the middle of the handle, some folks would just try it both ways and see which way shoots arrows better.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Will H on December 24, 2012, 12:54:50 pm
The bow looks like it's coming along ok but it looks like your starting to develop a hinge in your elbow!  :o ;D
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 25, 2012, 03:05:47 am
Hahaha I knew someone was going to mention my arm. Even I was like what the hell, looks like a badly tillered bow. Thanks guys for the help. I'm excited to complete it and show everyone how it looks. I tried the bathroom scale and it just seems so off to me. And plus I made myself a new tiller with a pulley so I can't use that scale any longer. Walmart has a scale for like 5$ that goes up to 50lb. I might try that out until the 88lb comes in.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 25, 2012, 01:34:48 pm
How does she look now? 28" draw. I have no idea what the weight is at but it feels pretty good.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Weylin on December 25, 2012, 04:18:52 pm
Look at the bend on Ryan's bow here. I picked it because it is a recent bow that I've seen that has an excellent tiller with a similar profile to your bow. I think the bend on your right limb looks about right but your left limb has too extreme of a bend. It is important that the limbs have a similar bend so that one limb is not overstressed and so that they return to brace position at the same time when you shoot. Otherwise you'll have a lot of limb vibration and handshock when you shoot.

 (http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k455/ryoon4690/IMG_1707_zpsb98edede.jpg)
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 25, 2012, 05:36:07 pm
the iner left fade isnt bending enough, but the rest is bending too much. the right limb looks nice.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Zion on December 25, 2012, 07:46:03 pm
You'll need to scrape the left limb on the inner 3rd a bit to get it in line. Then you'll have to take just a few scrapes on the other limb to get them bending the same. Unfortunately you'll come underweight most likely but hey at least it won't break as soon.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 25, 2012, 09:37:32 pm
Thanks guys, I'm gonna try and get that worked out right now.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 25, 2012, 09:46:15 pm
Which one would I make the top? The left weaker one?
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 25, 2012, 10:00:11 pm
tg, get the wood to start working just past the fades. You need more bending close to then handle. Jawge
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 25, 2012, 10:44:20 pm
Scrape just past the handle sections on both limbs?
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 29, 2012, 02:53:47 am
So I ended up just finishing her up and I'm actually very pleased with it being my first bow. What does everyone think? I still have to add a leather handle, and a clear coat finish. But i'm near done.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 29, 2012, 02:56:22 am
not bad for your first bow! i will say that it is nice on the bottom limb, but the top is a bit stiff in the iner part. dont bother changing it though, just something to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 29, 2012, 03:00:39 am
I noticed that stiffness but I just decided what the hell I could whip up another one of these in a day. About to start shaving down the thickness of my second one:D
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 29, 2012, 03:01:56 am
show pics of it  ;D i cant wait to see it!
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: steve b. on December 29, 2012, 03:04:58 am
Good for you, man.  I agree, call it done.  It looks just fine and you should be proud.  After you make a few more come back to this one and maybe touch it up or change it.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 29, 2012, 03:13:20 am
I'll get some pics tomorrow, way too cold to even think about going in my garage. Thanks guys. Makes me feel good I completed a fairly decent bow. I only got it to 30# because I have no scale at the time and I was scared to pull it too far. And ends up I never pulled it nearly far enough. And the board had like perfect grain lines.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Jodocus on December 29, 2012, 03:16:23 am
congratulations to your first bow.  8)
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 29, 2012, 03:23:26 am
Hey thanks.  8)
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: Weylin on December 29, 2012, 04:23:29 am
Good job, man. You should feel proud of that. Feels good, dont' it? Now, make another one!  >:D
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: tgtmatt on December 29, 2012, 10:01:50 pm
It feels great. Now I just need some decent arrows  :laugh:

I'm on the second now, just got finished getting thickness down to 3/8s at the tips and so on.

about to start the tiller.
Title: Re: Tillering trouble.
Post by: ionicmuffin on December 30, 2012, 02:57:51 am
for now the easiest way to get arrows is to buy dowels, go for you next ones tiller!