Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: spyder1958 on January 09, 2013, 01:52:27 am
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hey gang, need some eyes and input please. 62ttt 50lb@25 Ipe/boo purple heart power lam. very fast and a super hard hitter
Should the outer 1/3 bend more?, they are getting thin.
the left is a tad stiffer at the fade than the right. Its just ruff out still needs finish sanding, and handle shaped, then finish applied.
Thanks, Graylan
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to me it looks like the outer half the limb on each side could bend a smidgen more but i would wait until a few more chime in before taking my advice and or discarding it.
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can we see the front profile? I think that would be helpful
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Yes the left is stiffer than the right and both are flat from midlimb out, alittle. Personally, at this point in the tiller, I would forego the tree and pull by hand from the arrow nock point. Gonna be a great bow.
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I have not finished mine yet But I've been told the outer 3rd to be a little stiff on the boo/ipecombo for better performance.... but that's just what I've been told.....i I think it looks alright
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I think the right limb is ok, the left needs more bend from the vert line marked 12 out, take a 5" long board and run it on the belly and check for gaps, Bub
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I'd say left is stiff and it's outer 2/3 isn't flexing much.
Unbraced pic would help (I'm assuming it's not an RD)
Could do final tillering on width esp' near tips.
I agree with SteveB, always pull from arrow nock point and support where hand will support bow.
Del
Just noticed, if you look at your own curves draw on the backboard, it shows the left is stiff on last 1/3
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You guys are nit pickin'!! That tiller looks great. Finish it up, and start shooting it. Stiff tips will make it fast.
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You guys are nit pickin'!! That tiller looks great. Finish it up, and start shooting it.
Yup, I wish mine looked that good.
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Thanks Muffin,
Steve B, Maybe I can get the wife to take some full draw shots tonight and post those before removing more wood, if its not to dark.
Thanks Soy, it feels good. good luck on yours.
Bub, I forgot to ck with a flat block, newbee mistake. :embarrassed:
I have not finished the handle yet as I was waiting to decide on which was the bottom limb.
After The limbs look close to being even and the draw weight was close, I picked the Rt limb as top and shot it about 25 times, Bow feels stronger than 50lb and brace is at 5" with a very tight string. Bow has the same feel all through the draw. even with the handle full width and guessing at nock point, it shot very well at 30yds. I shot split finger.
Paleo & catman, I'll load some photos of the front and unstrung horz for you. I keep it braced all last nite and it look good this morning.
Thanks, Pearly and adb, A newbee needs more nick pickin, I did ask for it. :laugh:
Heres a few photos until I can get more. Did I say its fast ;D
Also, thats 4 different length's and weight arrows. seems to shoot all ok.
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Here you go del and paleo
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You guys are nit pickin'!! That tiller looks great. Finish it up, and start shooting it. Stiff tips will make it fast.
maybe I'm nit pickin', that's just what I see I'd have just taken about 5 scrapes on the rt limb,, and I leave my tips a little stiff as well, my spydie sense tells me it's a shooter either way Bub
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adb, stiff tips don't make every bow fast.
spyder1958, looks to me like you're already really close to getting it finished up so maybe save this criticism for the next bow. With the front view profile you have the bow should be very elliptically tillered. As it is now its doing more bending in the inner limbs than the outer which is the complete opposite direction of where you'd want to go with it.
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Tiller is looking good. I would scrape the outer limb some more. On your next bow i would choose to taper the front profile of the bow earlier than those tips wont get that thin. (thickness) imho it would also look better.
Stefan
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boo/epe shure makes a good shooting hard hitting bow don't it, Bub
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Bub, it sureeee do. ;)
Stefan, thanks for the help. The profile is 2/3 limb 1/3 taper, that was suggested for me to try with this bow. I don't know a lot about this new hobbie yet, but I'm sure willing to learn ;)
Ryoon, thanks for the advise. I don't see a problem with making changes, if that would help make this or any bow better. As I said I'm willing to learn and really appreaciate everyone advise, I can scrap more or taper more at this point, I think. But if it gets any faster, the arrows will catch on fire >:D
Bub, you sure about the right or did you mean left? The left is stiff out of the fade and scrap more at both tips?
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It got dark before we could get photo's, so hope the indoor works.
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I can tell by first glance that the tiller is good enough, for sure. I can see why others like it.
Personally, I would be wanting the outer limbs to bend just a little more. I would brace it in a vice, belly up. I would use a 6 or 8 or 10 inch straight edge on the belly on the upper limb and look at any gap that is between the straight edge and the limb. I would then draw the bow on a stick to 16" or whatever and then take another look at that gap. Because sometimes my eyes fool me when looking at the arc of a tillered limb from a distance. But the straight edge doesn't lie. If the gap increases the upper limb is bending.
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it don't matter what I said before now, full draw look's sweet buddy, look's like ya got a winner ;), great job, Bub
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Yup, nice :)
Del
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SWEET!! 8)
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Looks like a stiff handled, elliptically tillered bow to me. And a very nice one as well. I can find no fault with the tiller on this bow. And the stiffer tips will make this bow fast.
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I think it's looking a little better but with that profile I think it needs to be far more elliptical. Keeping that parallel limb taper that far out into the limb means that it needs to do a lot more bending in that outer third.
adb, as wide as the outer limbs are in this bow the stiff tips have no advantage.
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I think the person that made this bow should be proud and very happy with how it turned out. The tiller is very nice. It's not whip tillered or bending too much at the fades, and it's even. But, Ryan, you're the expert. This bow doesn't have the perfect profile or tiller, but it's very nicely done regardless. I'm guessing this person is newer to bow making, and he's done a great job with this bow. Also, if you make the outer limbs bend more on this bow, the tiller will become more round, not more elliptical.
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Yeah Ryan's the expert :laugh: but like others said the tiller looks pretty good! Good job :) I'd be proud of it fella!
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Is it perfect? No...but who has ever made the perfect bow? ...no one...Can i find a spot or two that could use a few scrapes? Yes...Is it acceptable and good enough for most? Yes. Its fine...Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it if its a comfortable weight for you. Then go make another ;)
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He asked for criticism on tiller so that's what I'm giving. You guys might need to get your eyes checked if you think I'm saying anything else about myself or this bow. ;)
adb, if you weaken the outer limbs then the inner limbs will be stronger relatively so you could certainly get a more elliptical tiller from this bow although at the cost of draw weight. That's why I said save my criticisms for the next bow in my first comment.
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Is it perfect? No...but who has ever made the perfect bow? ...no one...Can i find a spot or two that could use a few scrapes? Yes...Is it acceptable and good enough for most? Yes. Its fine...Shoot the snot out of it and enjoy it if its a comfortable weight for you. Then go make another ;)
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Looks fine to me. Good job. Danny
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Thanks everyone for all the input.
as I stated in a previous post I had forgot the trick of using the gizmo. So I ck it today and it did show a couple spots that were flat, did a little scraping, but didn't get any shooting in today. I'll get it shot in and finish the handle, finial sanding, rub some tung oil in and post it up.
Also finish tiller a ash 68" today for my son-inlaw for his B-day. its on the form getting flip tips, and a deep heat treat with teak oil burn in. I'll get it posted soon. Time to start another ipe for my youngest daughter.
Again, I really appreciate ever one's comments.
Have a great day,
graylan