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Title: Ishi bow started up/got full draw pic
Post by: bubby on January 17, 2013, 08:00:28 pm
got this piece of ash reduced down ready to sinew, got the dimensions from the drawing that pope made, I'll have to check and see if I adjusted the lengthaccording to Ishi's measuring methods, anyhow once I get the sinew on it will be awhile before I get back to it, Bub(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4076.jpg)
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Post by: Badly Bent on January 17, 2013, 08:20:44 pm
This will be an interesting build to see, keep us posted with some pics as you progress bub. The native american bows are my favorites.
Greg
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Post by: JonW on January 17, 2013, 08:21:58 pm
That's cool Bub. Can't wait to see it done. Ijust laid down some sinew on a little Osage bow today myself.
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Post by: bubby on January 17, 2013, 09:01:49 pm
thank's greg, jon, yeah ireally like the na bows to, i'll have to post the profile and flat shot tomorrow
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Post by: SLIMBOB on January 17, 2013, 09:08:33 pm
Will be watching.  Good luck with it.
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 17, 2013, 10:06:49 pm
First sinew job bub?
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Post by: steve b. on January 17, 2013, 11:33:59 pm
Cool......
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Post by: Bryce on January 17, 2013, 11:47:42 pm
WEST COAST!!! 8)
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Post by: bubby on January 18, 2013, 06:13:15 am
no pearlie not my first sinew job, probably #3, but the first one i'm gonna post
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Post by: soy on January 18, 2013, 06:23:22 am
This is exciting!!!go get er bub ;)
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Post by: MWirwicki on January 18, 2013, 09:40:53 am
Check your mail Bubby, before you begin sinewing.   ;)
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Post by: half eye on January 18, 2013, 09:42:59 am
Good Lord Man, first ya make Keebler bows and now yer puttin icing on the cake too......ya just got no shame at all bubby ::)  8)
rich
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Post by: sadiejane on January 18, 2013, 10:05:54 am
bubby-sure looking forward to seeing the progress of this bow
love me some nna style bows
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Post by: Ozzy on January 18, 2013, 10:39:22 am
Can't wait to see more  >:D
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 18, 2013, 10:41:01 am
no pearlie not my first sinew job, probably #3, but the first one i'm gonna post


Sweet. Looks like you and I have similar plans in the next month or so...;)
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Post by: BowEd on January 18, 2013, 11:12:35 am
That's lookin nice Bub.Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: simson on January 18, 2013, 12:21:09 pm
yes, tiller looks good so far. we are waiting for the whole story.

How far do you tiller out the bows before sinewing?

Simon
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Post by: bubby on January 18, 2013, 03:04:20 pm
i'm kind of excited to soy the two sinewed bows I did before were quite a while ago and while they survived I wasn't happy with the final product
o.k. Matt,
I only make Keebler bows for Keebler elf's rich >:D
sounds good pearlie, you start yours in a month and they might be done at the same time ::)
simson I just wanted to get a good even bend going but i'm no expert on sinewed bows, what do you guy's that sinew bows do, I kinda thought part of the reason of the sinew is protection from breakage so I didn't want to risk tillering it out to far on a short draw , using Ishi's way of measuring it came out 55 1/2" ttt and drawing similar to him I figured 26" draw
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on January 18, 2013, 05:18:10 pm
Cool!!
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Post by: bubby on January 18, 2013, 06:52:00 pm
here is the unbraced and profile pics (http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4078.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4077.jpg)
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Post by: JonW on January 18, 2013, 07:49:47 pm
Looks good Bub. I have never worked with Ash before so I can't speak with experience about it. I will try to get a good floor tiller before I lay down the sinew when I'm doing it. I don't think you were taking too big of a chance with a 26" draw on a 55" bow IMO. The bow I just put sinew on is 48" and I'm gonna shoot for 26" of draw myself. I reflexed mine while putting the sinew on though. If you haven't put your sinew on yet I recommend reflexing it some with the length of bow you are making.
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Post by: spyder1958 on January 18, 2013, 11:40:09 pm
GOOD LUCK BUB, I'm finishing up another ash with a thin Ipe back, for the youngest son-inlaw. I'll post it up soon.
   Graylan
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Post by: bubby on January 19, 2013, 06:31:47 am
good luck with that, I haven't ever seen epe used as a backing before
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 19, 2013, 08:21:28 am
Very nice Bub. I like it.
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Post by: coaster500 on January 19, 2013, 01:15:44 pm
Looking good Bubby..... started one a while back but went BOOM!!!
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Post by: dragonman on January 19, 2013, 04:38:43 pm
good luck with it...hope the sinewing goes well
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Post by: bubby on January 19, 2013, 09:12:33 pm
just got some sinew and hide glue in the mail, thank's Matt ;) i'll put it to good use here
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Post by: bubby on January 21, 2013, 10:56:47 pm
got a couple of courses of sinew on the bow this afternoon, i'll fill the low spots in a few days and then let it set for a couple of weeks, put about 1 1/2" of reflex in it as well, Bub
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Post by: bubby on January 22, 2013, 03:02:28 pm
here she is, gonna sit there for a while now to let the sinew dry, then fill the low spots and waithttp://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4080.jpg
http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4079.jpg
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Post by: bubby on January 22, 2013, 03:03:55 pm
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4080.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4079.jpg)
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 22, 2013, 04:59:35 pm
That's some fine work Bub. It will look even better in 24 hrs. I fully believe well laid, smooth sinew is the key to getting all you can from it, right after design of course. Looks like you and I are on the same pace.  I added a solid 4" of reflex via reverse bracing. I plan to tighten the tourniquet up to 5-6" in a few weeks and adding one more layer.
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Post by: bubby on January 22, 2013, 05:06:41 pm
cool, I knew the only way to keep up was to get my but in gear
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Post by: autologus on January 22, 2013, 05:38:29 pm
Are you using leg sinew or back strap sinew, and how many do you think you will use? What are the dimensions of your bows?

Grady
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Post by: seabass on January 22, 2013, 05:43:16 pm
i am also going to start one soon.it is looking great and i can't wait to see it finished.
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on January 22, 2013, 05:44:09 pm
That is looking good.
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Post by: bubby on January 22, 2013, 06:14:02 pm
leg sinew autologus, don't really know how many had a bunch processed and just got some semi processed and some of that is going on as well
thank's carson, seabass,it's about 1 1/4" at the handle, about 2" mid limb and 1" at the tips, I think I posted it's 55" ttt
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Post by: seabass on January 22, 2013, 06:17:02 pm
how did you know i was going to ask that lol.thank you for the info.yours is looking great.
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Post by: bubby on January 29, 2013, 07:19:28 pm
well here she is after 8 days cureing, when I applied the sinew it was tight in the first pic and I just kept sliding the blocks down the limbs as they got loose(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4084.jpg)
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 29, 2013, 07:57:36 pm
That it looking sweet bub. Dont be scared to slide them blocks a liiiiittle farther....;)
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Post by: bubby on January 29, 2013, 08:14:00 pm
don't know how well the ash will do with too much reflex, it's Michigan ash >:D
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 29, 2013, 08:16:21 pm
You did temper right?
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Post by: bubby on January 30, 2013, 06:17:38 am
yuppers I tempered it
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Post by: Keenan on January 30, 2013, 07:18:02 am
Looking great Bubby. Just right on the reflex. can't wait to see that baby bending. You going to paint, skin or leave sinew bare?
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Post by: Pappy on January 30, 2013, 08:41:42 am
Thats looking good,can't wait to see it shooting,thats the hard part,waiting on the sinew to cure. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: BowEd on January 30, 2013, 09:00:35 am
With the tillering results I've seen on your previous bows I know you'll do a fantastic job on this one.Looking good.Good things do come from those who wait.
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 30, 2013, 09:21:19 am
yuppers I tempered it

Right on bubby, great idea and an essential part of the recipe in my opinion.
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Post by: bubby on January 30, 2013, 03:52:31 pm
Looking great Bubby. Just right on the reflex. can't wait to see that baby bending. You going to paint, skin or leave sinew bare?

i'm not shure yeti was kind of doing an Ishi replica and his bows are plain, I don't have any skins that wide but rawhide and some paint maybe, still undecided
thank's Pappy
thank's beadman
the only thing helping time pass is working on some other bows
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Post by: bubby on January 30, 2013, 07:04:56 pm
finished filling the low spot's in the sinew and wrapped the tips, more waiting ::)
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Post by: bubby on February 04, 2013, 07:08:47 pm
I couldn't wait any longer so I filed in some string nocks andgot her stretched out to 19" on the no brace string, looking good so far(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4098_zps48cd51b1.jpg)
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Post by: Bryce on February 05, 2013, 01:09:19 am
That's lovely Bub!
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Post by: osage outlaw on February 05, 2013, 01:27:06 am
Its looking great.  I like that style of bow. 
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Post by: Badly Bent on February 05, 2013, 11:22:20 am
Nice bub, gonna be a cool bow. ;)

Greg
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Post by: bubby on February 05, 2013, 05:05:02 pm
got her drawn out to 24" with a 5 3/8" brace, gotta make a decent string for it, but probably art sinew so it look's right, Bub
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Post by: bubby on February 06, 2013, 07:46:40 pm
here's a full draw and brace height pic, 25" and I'm shure will go 26", and shoot's lighnin bolts, she's a fast gal for shure, still have lot's of work to finish, plus I gotta decide if I pretty her up(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4111_zpsc9d47ab9.jpg)
(http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt320/bubncheryl/103_4109_zpsccddfec9.jpg)
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Post by: coaster500 on February 06, 2013, 08:20:10 pm
Sweet Bubby....  need to crush up some of that Northern California red rock and put some war paint on that baby!!!
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Post by: osage outlaw on February 06, 2013, 08:21:14 pm
That tiller looks great.  I bet that thing is fast.
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Post by: hedgeapple on February 06, 2013, 08:30:53 pm
Beautiful bow there Bubby.

I used art. sinew on my first bow.  It was all I had.  It had quit stretching at brace.  But a year later, I decided to restring it with B50.  It was noticably faster with the b50.  Just saying.  But, I completely understand your desire for making it as authentic as possible.  I believe that bow would make meat if you used a shoe string. :)
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Post by: Keenan on February 06, 2013, 08:52:54 pm
Great looking tiller Bub. What kind of weight did she come in?
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Post by: steelslinger on February 06, 2013, 08:55:51 pm
That's a sweet short bow there!
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Post by: bubby on February 06, 2013, 08:57:13 pm
thank's coaster, i'm thinkin' bout it
thank's OO, it is fast
thank's hedge, art sinew is the same as b-50, it stops stretching
thank's Keenan, I havn't weighed it but it feels every bit of 50-60-#
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Post by: Badly Bent on February 06, 2013, 09:00:53 pm
Nice tiller on that shorty bub, way to stretch er' out. Looks like a good shooter that would also be fun to shoot.

Greg
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Post by: Keenan on February 06, 2013, 09:05:11 pm
Perfect! Do you need my address? >:D
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Post by: bubby on February 06, 2013, 09:09:01 pm
it is your draw length isn't it keenan
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Post by: Arrowind on February 06, 2013, 09:13:14 pm
NICE!
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Post by: Will H on February 06, 2013, 09:19:33 pm
Well done Bub! That tiller looks spot on ;)
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Post by: H Rhodes on February 06, 2013, 09:20:42 pm
Awesome bow.  I have been following this one from the beginning and it sure turned out nice.  I bet it's fast.  I got a sack full of leg sinew that I am gonna have to start processing.  Gonna have to try sinew backing one for sure.  Great work, as usual bubby.
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Post by: bubby on February 07, 2013, 02:46:57 pm
go for it howard, it's a lot of work but worth it, Bub
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Post by: autologus on February 07, 2013, 02:50:39 pm
It looks great. I was thinking about doing a sinew backed ash Ishi bow for my trade bow.

Grady
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Post by: Keenan on February 07, 2013, 03:24:37 pm
it is your draw length isn't it keenan

 ;D ;D :o
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Post by: Sidewinder on February 07, 2013, 03:53:00 pm
Its looking mighty good there bubby. I have yet to do a sinew bow. Maybe some day.  danny
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on February 07, 2013, 04:15:05 pm
POW! Looks great Bub. Get her dolled up and lets see her again!
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Post by: Ifrit617 on February 07, 2013, 04:48:47 pm
Looking good bub. Since its an ishi bow I'd personally wrap some red wool around the handle, finish it off with grease and wax, and twist up a sinew string to make it pure primitive..  ;D

Jon
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Post by: JonW on February 07, 2013, 05:16:55 pm
Cool little bow Bub. I shure do like that!
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Post by: bubby on February 07, 2013, 06:01:40 pm
thank's pearlie, still have to clean her up a little then put her makeup on
thank's jon, but i'm to lazy to make a REAL sinew string :laugh:
thank's jonw
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Post by: MWirwicki on February 07, 2013, 09:53:11 pm
Oh Bubby, that's cool.  You gotta dress her up a bit.  It's just screaming for it...
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Post by: Josh B on February 07, 2013, 09:58:05 pm
Oh that looks good Bubby!  I can't wait to see her finished up! Josh
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Post by: Gaur on February 07, 2013, 10:05:59 pm
Great looking bow.  I also want to make a Ishi bow sometime, along with ishi points and an otter skin quiver.  I think i'll skip wearing his waredrobe though  :P
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Post by: Dictionary on February 07, 2013, 10:22:16 pm
Perfect! Do you need my address? >:D

lol
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Post by: bubby on February 08, 2013, 06:13:30 am
thank's Matt, Gundoc, i'm gonna dress her up a bit
Gaur I thought about the loin cloth, NOBODY needs to see that,  :laugh: Bub
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Post by: Pappy on February 08, 2013, 07:43:22 am
Turned out great.Tiller look good and I bet it will spit an arrow. Nice job. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: sadiejane on February 08, 2013, 08:46:45 am
wow bubby-that is one sweet little bow.
have to agree with others, it deserves some special treatment.
thanks for taking us along
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Post by: Del the cat on February 08, 2013, 09:54:05 am
I'm a bit late to this party!
That's great work... gotta be another one for my to-do list.
Del
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Post by: BowEd on February 08, 2013, 10:13:54 am
Looks great Bub.Nice when a plan comes together so well.Very nice job.She's waiting to get dressed up now.After shooting in of course.