Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Arrows => Topic started by: stringstretcher on March 22, 2013, 11:28:02 am
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Here is the other dozen I am working on right now of my heavy hitting hog arrows. I changed these a little for the original 4 to get a little more weight and a lighter spine. I have six mounted with heads right now, but have to wait on some more inserts to do the rest. I will get the nocks cut in and then sealed good (will gain a few more grains) and then fletched. These will come in over or close to 800 grains.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane001_zpsf9774dd1.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane002_zps2878e78b.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane003_zps6868c0ca.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane004_zps3faf9aca.jpg)
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And the high to low proof
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane005_zps9a6a1d32.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/newcane006_zpsb87467b8.jpg)
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DANG! nice work! i bet that that hog is dead! if you can hit it :laugh: ::) ;D :D ;) :)
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Charlie, are those Ace heads and what weight? I like the looks of them.>>>Fred
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Yes Fred these are some Ace that I someone gave me a while back in a trade and they weigh in the 170's before sharpening. Not sure how much I will lose there, but some for sure.
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are you sure? those look exactly like some tusker heads i put on some of my heavy hitters!
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Sorry Fred, they are the Tusker Delta's I believe. I have my names crossed in some of these trades I have made. Thanks rkeltner for keeping me straight..... :o
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They still look good!! Are those the delta's? I've used and still have the 190gr concordes both single and double bevel. I like the shape of that head. I'll look for some. I know that Tim at Braveheart used to carry the line. The concordes are longer and possibly narrower. Close to the 3:1 ratio. I used to use them back in my FG/Carbon days. First ones I purchased were from Australia. I will say the newer version is better. They are coated and don't rust as bad as the originals. Also the experience I've had with them I prefer the double bevel.
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Those are some wicked looking arrows. I'd hate to be any hog within a hundred kilometers of those!
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Thanks guys. These have been fun to play with. And just to throw something out there, these bamboo raw shafts are spined at 110 lbs....lol. So much fun to play with. And Fred, I too am liking these heads. I am going to look into something like these, but narrower, for deer.
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Excellent! If you havent tried/seen the Tuffhead line, you should check them out. 190gr, 225gr and 300gr. Pricey but brutal and tough.
I really like your arrowsmithing.
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Nice work Charlie. Your mentor had better watch out. You are definately knocking on his back door. ;)
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Make that plural Pat, Mentor's ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Hey, Charlie.....great looking arrows.....if you forgot my mailing address I can send it to you again! LOL >:D ;) :o :P
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Well I got 10 out of the dozen that I was working on because two of them just do not want to become arrows. I now have all the nocks cut in, the sinew wrapped at the nock and the points, and will now do the shrink tubing and put a finish on these and fletch them up. I will get some pictures up when they are finished.
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Here is the result of taking the time and making these cane work. The proof is always in the spin. This is the worst spinning arrow of the ten that I am now making. Hard to believe a piece of grass can become this. Enjoy
http://youtu.be/0-lBvaRE-OQ
It took me awhile to get the spin going because I was holding the camera with one hand and trying to film it while spinning with the other....phew....lol.
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Here are the ten I have been working on. If you notice the weights, on the first 6 with the heads that Matt G sent me, they came in at 46 grains from a high to low.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo003_zpsa4a35449.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo004_zps6ac84e6b.jpg)
And the other 4 with different heads and excluding one light one, came in at 37 grains from a high to low
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo005_zpsd09e1de3.jpg)
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Here is all ten waiting to get a finish put on and fletched. That will give me about another 20 to 30 grains probably.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo006_zps3b793e77.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo007_zps15593085.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo008_zpsa931e2a6.jpg)
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/finalcanevideo009_zpsc90d3520.jpg)
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Those look real good Charlie.Nice work. A question though; Is it just the picture,or is that shrink tubing a little larger than the base of your broadheads?(On some of them). If they are, you might want to fix that.You dont want anything hanging up .It will seriously inhibit your penetration advantage that the weight will gain,which, you will definitely need on those hogs. JMHO God bless
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There are a couple there that are Pete, yes. And they have been fixed. Great eyes ;) ;) ;)
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Just thought I would share for those interested. I took these and did a FOC calculation on them this morning and they are running 23.9130434783 FOC. That is more than I wanted, so I will play with the point/insert/adapter weights not to get what I want.
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Just thought I would share for those interested. I took these and did a FOC calculation on them this morning and they are running 23.9130434783 FOC. That is more than I wanted, so I will play with the point/insert/adapter weights not to get what I want.
I thought a high foc is a good thing? What is the formula you are going by? I am in process of making some arrows for my 64 lb hickory self bow and am planning on finished weight of around 630 grains. (the bow hasen't been shot much they usually lose about two lbs in my experience after shooting a bit) I was going to outfit the shafts with 160 gr points. I am using red osier as it is a bit heaver then cedar.
Thanks,
Greg
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High FOC is a great thing, to a point. when you get this much weight up front it makes it really hard for a light poundage bow to get the use of the FOC. The arrow can only take what the bow can give it, and on these, they would be better from a bow in the 55-65 lb range. I bare shafted these yesterday after shooting them the other day, and they are all still stiff. I am going to add another 100 grains up front and just test them, but I think that is going to be pushing it just too far, so these will more than likely go to someone later that shoots a higher poundage and get the benefit of them.
The point of this whole experiment was to see if I could get a really high FOC....AND YES YOU CAN...lol
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Got ya. Hey if they doen't fly well outta your bow I have a 64 lb bow that they would fly great out of >:D and if they are a little stiff I will tiller my next stave out to 70. LOL!
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What's the high tech rubber for ole boy? :)
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Actually Roy that is shrink wrap. I took and put some of that over the real sinew just for added protection and keep moisture off of it. Sort of a red neck version of footing.....lol
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17 yard fletched and bare shaft shots after one warm up round.
(http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e369/STRINGSTRETCHER/Cane%20arrow%20work/Cane002_zps37db1735.jpg)
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That's pretty nice, Charlie...
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Thanks Roy. I am very pleased with how they came out.
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Looked great when you first started experimenting with them, looks even better now.