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Title: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 03:56:28 am
Hi, Dear friends I'm glad to present you my new experimental sinew backed bow that I made in 23 days.
The wood is pretty dense (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) or as we call it in Kazakh language ("Alysha") or in many other Turkic languages too. This is a native wood for Tien-Shan mountains & Caucas. I've never heard before that someone had experience with this type of wood for bowmaking. Most commonly its fruits uses for making tasty jams. There is some sources in I-net saying that this wood is pretty dense ( can vary from 0,70 to 0,80 gr/cm3.) 
This bow is a quickly made 135 cm ntn has some reflex on the end. No steam bend were used for making reflex just simply freshly cut wood  tie with the clamps (see the pics). I cut it in February & seasoned it for almost 3 months .  I put the sinew on it (2 layers of horse sinew) And a mix of hide/fish glue were used also.
And for water proofing I used birch bark from our mountains & shellak.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 03:57:38 am
seasoning....
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 03:59:14 am
after first layer of horse sinew 1 week for drying
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 04:00:19 am
Tillering....
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 04:02:34 am
Birch bark for backing
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: chamookman on June 09, 2013, 04:46:26 am
Very nice - I like the Birch Bark backing ! Bob
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: LEGIONNAIRE on June 09, 2013, 06:00:34 am
Rafael I love the way you always usesruff rhats handy like logs to induce refled. Very creative. The bow looks grea tree.  I do think ir mighr be a rad sriff right of the handle.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Christian Soldier on June 09, 2013, 10:24:12 am
Nice! As legionnaire said, it looks stiff right out of the fades but other than that good work.  :)
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 09, 2013, 02:17:59 pm
Thank you guys! Yep I bit stiffer I know . A next one that is in the process, will be shorter with greater reflex & I will pay more attention during tillering.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: AH on June 09, 2013, 03:40:39 pm
hey that bow is wayy cool! 8) ;)
and it looks like you're drawing with the thumb in the fulldraw?
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: burn em up chuck on June 09, 2013, 05:13:33 pm
   i like the bark idea,but shouldn't you have put the bark w/the longitudinal grain (or fibers) running in the   direction the limb is bending? I've done this w/cherry bark, and it strips off the tree the same as birch.
   
                                                                                       chuck
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: ssgtchad on June 09, 2013, 07:01:07 pm
Beautiful curves but you have it tillered like a horn bow.  Nice work with the birch bark! What kind og glue did you use for that? Thanks for sharing your work.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on June 09, 2013, 07:50:46 pm
Nice. I need to try that.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 13, 2013, 02:25:18 pm
hey that bow is wayy cool! 8) ;)
and it looks like you're drawing with the thumb in the fulldraw?


Oh, Thank you very much! Yes it is. Usually I use both a thumb draw & a mediterrian.
 
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 13, 2013, 02:27:42 pm
   i like the bark idea,but shouldn't you have put the bark w/the longitudinal grain (or fibers) running in the   direction the limb is bending? I've done this w/cherry bark, and it strips off the tree the same as birch.
   
                                                                                       chuck

Well I think both method of bark application is acceptiable. Will try longitudinal  too
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 13, 2013, 02:29:34 pm
Beautiful curves but you have it tillered like a horn bow.  Nice work with the birch bark! What kind og glue did you use for that? Thanks for sharing your work.
   

Thanks for watchin'! I used a carpenters glue. Once I've used a hide glue but I've founded torturesome to work with a birch bark.
Yep, I need a hornbow so bad  :D
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: DuBois on June 14, 2013, 12:00:03 am
quote author=burn em up chuck link=topic=40313.msg538473#msg538473 date=1370805861]
   i like the bark idea,but shouldn't you have put the bark w/the longitudinal grain (or fibers) running in the   direction the limb is bending? I've done this w/cherry bark, and it strips off the tree the same as birch.
   
                                                                                       chuck
[/quote]
I was just posting about this and it was put to me that with brch bark you do it as
Raf has done here.
I like your bow a lot and thanks for the post. I have a couple of pine halves like yours and it looks like we have the sane method of bending :)
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: soy on June 14, 2013, 01:15:44 am
Looks awesome, I would love to see some pics of that backing finished!
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: rossfactor on June 14, 2013, 03:08:58 am
Cherry plum! All the plums are excellent bow wood. Good choice.

Gabe
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Hrothgar on June 14, 2013, 08:03:47 am
Good looking bow, very unique backing, I like it!
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Pappy on June 14, 2013, 08:23:36 am
Cool bow and very cool backing, does look pretty stiff first 1/3 of the limb but if you like it I like it.  ;) :) What does it look like un strung,that may tell a different story. :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: BowEd on June 14, 2013, 08:35:15 am
Diddo on what Pappy said.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Buffalogobbler on June 14, 2013, 10:52:50 am
Nice bow, the birch bark is cool!

Kevin
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Carson (CMB) on June 14, 2013, 11:06:17 am
That is a lot of bend in those limbs! Nice work, I like your green wood clamping technique.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 14, 2013, 01:34:28 pm

                                                                                       chuck
[/quote]
I was just posting about this and it was put to me that with brch bark you do it as
Raf has done here.
I like your bow a lot and thanks for the post. I have a couple of pine halves like yours and it looks like we have the sane method of bending :)
[/quote]
 
Thank you! Wish you good luck man!
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 14, 2013, 01:37:09 pm
Cool bow and very cool backing, does look pretty stiff first 1/3 of the limb but if you like it I like it.  ;) :) What does it look like un strung,that may tell a different story. :)
   Pappy
   

Thank you! Yes there is some .  Ok I will make a photo of unstrung.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: John D on June 14, 2013, 04:51:43 pm
I really like what you did with the birch bark!  Did you need to soak first, or just apply it?  Putting thoughts of reinforcement aside, I think the orientation you chose looks better (aesthetically).

Great work on the bow; thanks for sharing it.  Your work space looks really cool, too.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 15, 2013, 03:49:33 am
I really like what you did with the birch bark!  Did you need to soak first, or just apply it?  Putting thoughts of reinforcement aside, I think the orientation you chose looks better (aesthetically).

Great work on the bow; thanks for sharing it.  Your work space looks really cool, too.

Thank you very much! Nope no soaking. I cooked the bark in water(2-3 hours) with foil in a bottom & around the bark, then pill of layer from layer, the thinner is better easier to apply.
Title: Re: (Prunus divaricata Ledeb) bow 62@27inch. 135см ntn
Post by: Rafael on June 17, 2013, 09:03:51 am
Here is an unstrung bow picture. The bow now is 65#@27 due to moisture drop & more seasoning time