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Title: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 10:54:56 pm
Hey, I'm sure you guys on the forum have gotten tonnes of these types of topics before, but my friend and I can literally find NO bow woods near out houses.  Hemlock, Aspen and Butternut are all very plentiful, but none of these seem to be good for the build.  I can find some Maples and Oaks around my house, but all are too large, and I'm not about to cut down a 2 foot thick tree to make 2 bows. There are some birch that would be acceptable to use though, however they are on private property.

So what do you think I should do?

Thanks so much,
BG
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: TacticalFate on June 15, 2013, 10:56:21 pm
Where do you live?
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 15, 2013, 10:57:42 pm
If you live where hickory grows approach a land owner and ask if you can have a tree you will make him or her a bow in trade. Or google bow staves and pick from there.  ;)
Greg
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 10:58:23 pm
I live in Southern Ontario, Canada.  Around the Kawartha Lakes region.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 15, 2013, 10:59:48 pm
I live in Southern Ontario, Canada.  Around the Kawartha Lakes region.
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If black locust grows up there that makes a good bow as well.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:00:34 pm
If you live where hickory grows approach a land owner and ask if you can have a tree you will make him or her a bow in trade. Or google bow staves and pick from there.  ;)
Greg

I'm pretty sure I don't, unfortunately, But the trade idea is great!  The only problem with it is that this will be my first bow, so I'm not ready to make 2.  Thank you!
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 15, 2013, 11:03:30 pm
Another option that I have considered is to to to a logging yard and ask if you could buy a log. For a while I was looking for some black locust but found a bunch.
Look for one that is not all skinned up and the bark doesn't have any twist on it and as clear as you can get.
Greg
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:03:53 pm
I live in Southern Ontario, Canada.  Around the Kawartha Lakes region.
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If black locust grows up there that makes a good bow as well.

Nope.  It sucks.  I have a "National Audubon Society Field Guide to Trees" with me and it says that black locust does not even grow in Canada.
Thank You!
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 15, 2013, 11:07:27 pm
What specifically does grow up there in the way of hardwood?
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 15, 2013, 11:10:51 pm
Here is a page on what grows up there. I would locate a logging company and go from there. If you are on your first bow get a hickory log.
Hope this helps :)
Greg

http://ontariotrees.com/main/alien_native.php?type=N
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:14:11 pm
What specifically does grow up there in the way of hardwood?

I'm not a hundred percent sure. Like I said before, Maple and oak are around here.  I also have seen aspen, birch and elm.  Ash, willow and poplar may be around here, but I don't remember seeing a lot of it.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:17:00 pm
Here is a page on what grows up there. I would locate a logging company and go from there. If you are on your first bow get a hickory log.
Hope this helps :)
Greg

http://ontariotrees.com/main/alien_native.php?type=N

Wow! Thanks so much! This will definitely help me.  I think I have seen some Bitternut Hickory around my area.  I made sure to favourite that website!  :)

Thanks so much.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Weylin on June 15, 2013, 11:27:04 pm
Look for some Eastern Hophornbeam (aka ironwood). I'm pretty sure that grows in southern Ontario and it is a great bow wood. Ask Marc St. Louis, I'm pretty sure he's in Ontario. Good luck.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Joec123able on June 15, 2013, 11:35:10 pm
Hey, I'm sure you guys on the forum have gotten tonnes of these types of topics before, but my friend and I can literally find NO bow woods near out houses.  Hemlock, Aspen and Butternut are all very plentiful, but none of these seem to be good for the build.  I can find some Maples and Oaks around my house, but all are too large, and I'm not about to cut down a 2 foot thick tree to make 2 bows. There are some birch that would be acceptable to use though, however they are on private property.

So what do you think I should do?

Thanks so much,
BG

Your both only planning on building one bow????? Hahahahahahahaha if you build one you build a thousand more lol I promise
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:41:39 pm
Look for some Eastern Hophornbeam (aka ironwood). I'm pretty sure that grows in southern Ontario and it is a great bow wood. Ask Marc St. Louis, I'm pretty sure he's in Ontario. Good luck.

Hey.  Thanks a lot! would "Ironwood" happen to be a very VERY strong wood?  I chopped down a tree last winter, and it is so strong that I am unable to split it with a Fiskars x11 axe.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 15, 2013, 11:43:21 pm
Hey, I'm sure you guys on the forum have gotten tonnes of these types of topics before, but my friend and I can literally find NO bow woods near out houses.  Hemlock, Aspen and Butternut are all very plentiful, but none of these seem to be good for the build.  I can find some Maples and Oaks around my house, but all are too large, and I'm not about to cut down a 2 foot thick tree to make 2 bows. There are some birch that would be acceptable to use though, however they are on private property.

So what do you think I should do?

Thanks so much,
BG

Your both only planning on building one bow????? Hahahahahahahaha if you build one you build a thousand more lol I promise

 :D Ya, it sounds fun.  I may not have time to make more though, considering it takes a very long time to make one.  I will be too busy with scool  :P
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: lostarrow on June 15, 2013, 11:43:33 pm
I live in London. You aren't that far away (geographically speaking) If you know what you are looking for ,you should find Hop hornbeam (ironwood) ,Elm, maybe Ash (if the bugs haven't got it all) , Oak ,Maple ,Yellow Birch, Lilac, Mountain Ash, Alders,...... the list goes on. You've a lot more to choose from than most. You likely have black and  honey locust as well.  Once you know your trees, you'll never be able to walk in the bush without looking for bow wood again. ;)
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: burn em up chuck on June 16, 2013, 09:07:54 am
    what about yew?

               chuck
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: lostarrow on June 16, 2013, 09:13:21 am
No yew around here unless planted. usually small and bushy. The other yew we have is a sprawling ground shrub. Good for medicine ,.............not for bows. Might find ERC but pretty rare as well. I just found a bunch by the R.R. track but they are getting real pissy about people going on their land.(Fines)
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 16, 2013, 09:36:03 am
Here is a page on what grows up there. I would locate a logging company and go from there. If you are on your first bow get a hickory log.
Hope this helps :)
Greg

http://ontariotrees.com/main/alien_native.php?type=N

Wow! Thanks so much! This will definitely help me.  I think I have seen some Bitternut Hickory around my area.  I made sure to favourite that website!  :)

Thanks so much.


Bitter nut should work good. I have a couple of staves of that myself. I have used shagbark to make 5 out o fthe seven bows I have made so far and it works great. Hickory is a very tough wood that will tolerate mistakes in the tillering process and still shoot good. Plus you can heat treat the dickens out of it and it will shoot good. It does like to soak up humidity so give it 4 or 5  coats of a good quality poly.
Here is a pict of what it looks like finished ;) It is my current favoriate.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 16, 2013, 10:25:24 am
Look for some Eastern Hophornbeam (aka ironwood). I'm pretty sure that grows in southern Ontario and it is a great bow wood. Ask Marc St. Louis, I'm pretty sure he's in Ontario. Good luck.

Thanks SO much everyone.  After some research, I think Hophornbeam is my golden bow wood.  I believe there is one in the forest behind my house.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 16, 2013, 10:34:53 am
What do the numbers have to do with bow woods? for example, a Red Maple is a .54.

What does that mean?
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 16, 2013, 10:36:06 am
I live in London. You aren't that far away (geographically speaking) If you know what you are looking for ,you should find Hop hornbeam (ironwood) ,Elm, maybe Ash (if the bugs haven't got it all) , Oak ,Maple ,Yellow Birch, Lilac, Mountain Ash, Alders,...... the list goes on. You've a lot more to choose from than most. You likely have black and  honey locust as well.  Once you know your trees, you'll never be able to walk in the bush without looking for bow wood again. ;)

Alright.  Thanks a lot, but I thought ash was a crappy bow wood.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 16, 2013, 10:38:26 am
Here is a page on what grows up there. I would locate a logging company and go from there. If you are on your first bow get a hickory log.
Hope this helps :)
Greg

http://ontariotrees.com/main/alien_native.php?type=N

Wow! Thanks so much! This will definitely help me.  I think I have seen some Bitternut Hickory around my area.  I made sure to favourite that website!  :)

Thanks so much.


Bitter nut should work good. I have a couple of staves of that myself. I have used shagbark to make 5 out o fthe seven bows I have made so far and it works great. Hickory is a very tough wood that will tolerate mistakes in the tillering process and still shoot good. Plus you can heat treat the dickens out of it and it will shoot good. It does like to soak up humidity so give it 4 or 5  coats of a good quality poly.
Here is a pict of what it looks like finished ;) It is my current favoriate.

Thanks! I love that snake skin backed bow!  On second thought, I don't think I have any Hickory here.  The distribution map in my tree book says that it is not in my area.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: ohma2 on June 16, 2013, 11:01:32 am
why dont you go ahead and make a bow or two out of some of the lesser  woods and gain some experience learning to use your tools and tillering skills. when you aquire some better wood you wll have a better chance of building a shooter.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: bushboy on June 16, 2013, 01:20:56 pm
I read somewhere that osage orange grows in southern ontario ,but not 100 percent on that!
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: lostarrow on June 16, 2013, 02:38:43 pm


Alright.  Thanks a lot, but I thought ash was a crappy bow wood.
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Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: lostarrow on June 16, 2013, 02:40:11 pm
I read somewhere that osage orange grows in southern ontario ,but not 100 percent on that!


  Rare, well kept secret trees!
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: twisted hickory on June 16, 2013, 02:45:24 pm
What do the numbers have to do with bow woods? for example, a Red Maple is a .54.

What does that mean?
That is specific gravity of the wood the higher the number the more dense/hard the wood is. That is why osage is prized for bows it has a high specific gravity making it a good bow wood. shag bark hickory  is high as well.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: Jacob Parnell on June 16, 2013, 04:08:57 pm
What do the numbers have to do with bow woods? for example, a Red Maple is a .54.

What does that mean?
That is specific gravity of the wood the higher the number the more dense/hard the wood is. That is why osage is prized for bows it has a high specific gravity making it a good bow wood. shag bark hickory  is high as well.

Alright, cool
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: munkinstein on June 18, 2013, 12:23:51 am
I live in Southern Ontario, Canada.  Around the Kawartha Lakes region.
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If black locust grows up there that makes a good bow as well.

Nope.  It sucks.  I have a "National Audubon Society Field Guide to Trees" with me and it says that black locust does not even grow in Canada.
Thank You!

Your book is right, to a point.  I live in London, Ontario and in the parks and surrounding areas have a ton of black locust trees growing here.  They were introduced a very long time ago and have became pretty well established.  It was planted here for railway ties and fence posts because of the rot resistant characteristics of the wood and its tenacity.  I don't think it grows as far North as Kawartha lakes region.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: munkinstein on June 18, 2013, 12:24:56 am
Look for some Eastern Hophornbeam (aka ironwood). I'm pretty sure that grows in southern Ontario and it is a great bow wood. Ask Marc St. Louis, I'm pretty sure he's in Ontario. Good luck.

I live in this region and that tree is pretty abundant.
Title: Re: No Bow Woods!
Post by: lostarrow on June 18, 2013, 11:23:32 pm
Where are you , Munkenstein?