Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Marks on July 18, 2013, 11:21:19 am
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Hey guys, I'm excited. Headed down the Florida this weekend thru Wednesday for a little vacation. I've always wanted to try it so this year I'm gonna do some surf fishing. I'm out of my element. My plan so far (coutesy of Google and Youtube and the bait shop guy)is to take one of my bass spinning combos and I bought a $34 "catfish rig" from a local bait shop. It is an oversized spinning reel with an 8' medium action rod with 50# braid and 30# wire leader. Beyond that I don't know what I want to do. I have some 8/0 circle hooks to go for sharks If I get brave. The guy at the baitshop said they just threw rooster tails and grubs and their bass rigs. I read that pompano should be biting on sandfleas or shrimp.
For you guys that have done it, what do you suggest for someone new to surf fishing?
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Florida has a lot of coast. What part? I've surf fished the central east coast
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Like Tim said, what part. You can catch fish, different species all over the state. Down where I'm at it's snook, Reds, and trout are hot right now, with a few Tarpon around.
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Its Ft Walton Beach. Just down the road from Destin so up in the Panhandle.
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Yikes, ya I've never fished that area. The guy at the bait shop should know.
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I live about 3 hours drive from the Alabama coast and am no expert, but have always enjoyed fishing off the beach when we make a trip to Gulf Shores. Your catfish combo will catch fish. Cut you a three foot long section of inch and a half PVC for a rod holder that you can stick down in the sand. My experience has been that the wire leader and really heavy line isn't necessary for most species. If you have tight lined for catfish, you can use the same type tactics in the surf. Lady fish, blue runners, croaker, little sand sharks, and the catfish that live in the breakers are real easy to catch. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. I bet one of these real saltwater types will chime in and give you better advice in a bit. Have fun.
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I live about 3 hours drive from the Alabama coast and am no expert, but have always enjoyed fishing off the beach when we make a trip to Gulf Shores. Your catfish combo will catch fish. Cut you a three foot long section of inch and a half PVC for a rod holder that you can stick down in the sand. My experience has been that the wire leader and really heavy line isn't necessary for most species. If you have tight lined for catfish, you can use the same type tactics in the surf. Lady fish, blue runners, croaker, little sand sharks, and the catfish that live in the breakers are real easy to catch. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. I bet one of these real saltwater types will chime in and give you better advice in a bit. Have fun.
Yeah I realize I'm over geared for most of it on the wire leaders and 50# braid. If I have a hankering I may get some bigger bait and go for bigguns at night.
Would the small sand sharks not cut through the 50# braid???
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You'll want to use wire for sharks.
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The little bitty ones in the breakers up to a couple feet long, a heavy monofilament leader will do. The big bull sharks get a hold of it, you will need all the help you can get. A big piece of bloody cut bait will get them, especially at night. Shark fishing seems to alarm the hell out of the swimmers and sunbathers.... I think they would rather stay in that state of denial, where there is nothing out there in that water that will EAT THEM. Bass tackle will handle more than you think. You need the longer rod with the spinning outfit to get your baits out further though. All this fishing talk is going to get me headed south!! :)
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The little bitty ones in the breakers up to a couple feet long, a heavy monofilament leader will do. The big bull sharks get a hold of it, you will need all the help you can get. A big piece of bloody cut bait will get them, especially at night. Shark fishing seems to alarm the hell out of the swimmers and sunbathers.... I think they would rather stay in that state of denial, where there is nothing out there in that water that will EAT THEM. Bass tackle will handle more than you think. You need the longer rod with the spinning outfit to get your baits out further though. All this fishing talk is going to get me headed south!! :)
I could use company. Come on.
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Ft Walton is about 20 miles from me. All you need is hook,weight. Wire leaders not necessary,Catch a hard head catfish or eel and you will see why,,Use fresh dead shrimp or cut mullet. Fish just on the bottom. Sand fleas will work you can dig them in the surf or get them at the bait shop. Have fun and watch out for these thunderstorms we've been having!.
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I've caught somewhere around 25 sharks this year so far, been a really good year and It's only July! only been out a few times also. You should get into some smaller ones just fine with a bass rig. for Blacktips, you will need some wire leader though. bonnetheads and sharpnose are usually ok on heavy mono if you change leader after a catch, but Blacktips and other more toothy sharks will cut mono and braid line in a second. I like a 6/0 circle hook especially if you are using a smaller rod and cant catch the big boys from shore with 100y of line anyways. A lot of people like ladyfish, jack or other bloody fish, but I have the best luck on a fillet of pinfish with a little squid on the hook as well. But be willing to try different baits because sharks can actually be finicky. My friend and I went out last Monday, he fished with jack, I fished with pinfish, I caught 8 that day, he caught 2. Only difference was our bait choice. I typically fish from the canoe or my row boat. We would have Blacktip circle the boat 2-3 times, bump his bait, swim away and pick mine up and run, so be willing to try different things. bring another spool of line with you too. If you get one 6ft or so or a 50# stingray, you can likely hold onto your rod and say goodbye to your line. I've been peeled dry a couple times when I am insisting on fishing with my trout rods for smaller sharks and inadvertently had a big one pick up the bait. have fun though, it's a blast! especially if you get into the spinners, they are very acrobatic.
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Well the trip turned out pretty fun. I stopped by a bait shop and the guy suggested I use shrimp and all he had was frozen so I got some. All I caught was hard head catfish. I caught 8. I really didn't have a whole lot of time to concentrate on trying different baits and locations. The water was very murky too. My biggest problem was keeping the thawing shrimp on the hook. Next year I may try fish for bait. One day I could see HUGE schools of baitfish getting pounded by other fish just outside the breakers. Unfortunately I only had about 30 minutes to fish before we had to get ready to be somewhere. By then my shrimp was mushy and I had left my bass rod in the room with my tackle box. I think I could have caught some with my topwater baits if I had them. Live and learn. The little kids walking by loved seeing the catfish. I had a good time and will do it again next year.
On Tuesday we took a charter boat on a 4 hours inshore trip. It was a blast. We caught some big redfish. My wife was able to bring in a 45# redfish. Took 10 minutes to land. Even the guide wanted his picture taken with it.
Thanks for all the advice.
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I use a Duty's baiting needle to keep fresh frozen shrimp on the hook. I thread the line through the length of the shrimp and the hook comes out at its tail facing the back. It stays put quite well.
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When I use shrimp for sturgeon, I wrap elastic thread around it to keep it on the hook. but presentation isn't goal #1 with sturgeon. Good Luck! Ed
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If you have to use four month old dead stuff from the bait shop next time, get squid. It is a lot tougher, even when older than dirt.
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If you have to use four month old dead stuff from the bait shop next time, get squid. It is a lot tougher, even when older than dirt.
Yep. Frozen squid is tough as nails, and most fish will hit it-I've caught loads of whiting, sharks, stingrays, croakers, spots, and all kinds of other stuff on it. You can also get it cheaper and fresher in the frozen seafood section of the grocery store. The frozen finger mullet from the bait shop work well as cut bait, too. It'll catch all of the above, plus some trout and redfish and bluefish.
It's worth laying out a few bucks for a saltwater combo-you won't have near as much corrosion problems from the saltwater. I use my freshwater rods for throwing artificials in the creeks and marshes for seatrout, flounder, reds, and such, and it'll eat your reel up if you don't keep it washed out really good every time you fish. The ones designed for saltwater are much better. I've got a couple 8' Okuma surf spinning combos that I only paid about $40-$50 apiece for, and they've been working well for several years.
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that squid works real good for fresh water cats, too. You can set it in the sun for a day or two and it will stink to high heaven and still stay on a hook.
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that squid works real good for fresh water cats, too. You can set it in the sun for a day or two and it will stink to high heaven and still stay on a hook.
I took a couple containers down to Cade's to try, I was wondering if it would work. The lake was too high to get a boat in last time, so it's still in the freezer.
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The next time you come down, be sure to take you tackle box with you! ;) Your top water plugs, and a spoon, will work well, for sea trout, snook, jack, and Bonita. Bonita makes great shark bait, because it is an oily fish, and bleeds a lot. Try some, feathers as we call them, the lead and now nylon skirt lures. A type called a red tailed hawk works well. My dad has caught sailfish on them. Snook love them, as do jack tarpon, blues, and trout. A small spoon, like the Clark spoon will flat out catch some mackerel. Blues aren't picky, just so it moves! I have caught them on a bare hook. Most people don't like blues or mackerel, because it is an oily fish. I love them both, broiled, with butter, and lime, or lemon juice, and garlic, and onion powder, and a dash of Cajun seasoning. You can cut out the fat strip, and they will not be so strong. I like it myself. You can catch sheepshead with fiddler crabs. You can catch pompano, on the sand fleas, and permit, and flounder. You can also catch flounder on plugs. But they like sand fleas, and crabs, like small blue claw, or big fiddler crabs. Red fish love crabs also. Use a very light weight, to cast them out, and if you are fishing in the inlet, or a strong current the crab will float on top of the water, or don't use any weight at all. But use a long leader. The same for snapper, if you are drifting, or fishing in an inlet. My Buddy, used to first mate on his Mother's drift boat, and he would use a 2 ounce or more egg sinker, behind the swivel and a five foot mono leader, baited with with a live Menhaden with top portion of tail fin cut off, so it will swim erratically. "The Big snapper don't like to see the sinker moving. But if it is a distance from the bait then it will gobble it up. Fresh shrimp is better, and live better than that. You can catch snook, on just a mullet head. Just stomp on it, to release the oils in it, and put it on your hook. You can catch big grouper, by drifting over a reef, and using either live mullet, or a dead mullet, that is fileted down from the head, just to the beginning of the tail section, and on the other side filet upfrom the tail section just to the head. Then lower it to the bottom, and then bring it up about a foot and a half or so, and just jig it up and down. The fileted sides will flap in alternate sequence, as it is brought up, and then back down. Grouper can't stand that! ;) Shrimp and squid is pretty much a favorite of just about every thing that swims. I have caught bass on dead shrimp, when I was fishing for catfish. Glad you had good time, and congrats to your Wife, on the big Red fish. 8) But come on back down, and try again. Besides we need the tourist money, for our fisheries. ::) ;D ;D
Wayne
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Get a cast net and learn how to use it...
Live bait will out perform dead bait or artificial every time.
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Get a cast net and learn how to use it...
Live bait will out perform dead bait or artificial every time.
Yep, gold hooks and ring chain with red ribbon, too.