Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: JW_Halverson on July 28, 2013, 12:46:09 am
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Here's a little teaser of the 2013 PA Trade Bow I am desperately trying to get finished. Finish. There's that @#$%%^-ing word again. Gaah! Yeah, still struggling with getting the shellac finish to lay down in an acceptable manner.
So, I will show just the tips. I am not terrifically proud of them, but I was running out of time and they are what they are. There was some innovation and more than just a dose of orneriness in choice of material. Other than iowabow, nobody knows what the white stuff is in the multi-layer tips. Sssssssh! It's a secret. A dirty little secret. A dirty, filthy little secret.
Do I make you randy?
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/JW_Halverson/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0013_zps704e88cf.jpg) (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/JW_Halverson/media/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0013_zps704e88cf.jpg.html)
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/JW_Halverson/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0014_zpsddbf3015.jpg) (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/JW_Halverson/media/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0014_zpsddbf3015.jpg.html)
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/JW_Halverson/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0015_zps93398c21.jpg) (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/JW_Halverson/media/2013%20PA%20Trade%20Bow/SAM_0015_zps93398c21.jpg.html)
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Stunning!
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I was gonna say that PVC is a nice contrast against the black in the horn, but you know what happens when we assume. >:D
Tip looks fantastic. That extra-long overlay must have been a beast to get a true edge on.
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Thst looks real nice
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Those are some nice looking tips! Very nice! Now where's the rest of it!?!? >:( ;) ;D. Josh
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I was gonna say that PVC is a nice contrast against the black in the horn, but you know what happens when we assume. >:D
Tip looks fantastic. That extra-long overlay must have been a beast to get a true edge on.
Never thought of PVC, gonna save that for later!
Yeah, the extra long overlays are a pain in the tuckus. They didn't start as overlong, but I cannot seem to get them to go straight across a limb to save my butt. So, this was a case of diddling it to death.
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Those are cool looking tips! They remind me of a very sleek orca. 8)
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My guess is old piano keys. Ivory...shame, shame!
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Pretty!!
sleek and slim,really like it so far...but where is the rest ? >:D
btw im with japbow on this,i Think you killed an old piano to get the overlays. :o
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Looks 10x better than the crude tips I always put on my bows JW. Nicely shaped and polished there, I'd be real happy
if any of mine ever came out looking that good.
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All I can say is Wow JW those do look sweet! Bet the rest is the same :)
Knapper
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For a nice easy ,flawless shellac finish, look into French polish techniques. It may just save your sanity!
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Sweet tips JW..can't wait to see the rest,if its as smooth as those tips it's gonna be a great shooter-Hammertime
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Nice lookin' tips there, JW. Piano keys would also be my guess. I too have a bucket full of them, just waiting for a worthy project.
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Looking GOOD so far!!
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WOW!
that some fine lookin work right there!
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let me guess- that same white plastic you make boppers out of?
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Jw, now that aint fair. you showing us the tips and not giving us the full monty....lol Those tips look gorgeous.
Here I thought you did'nt know how to operate a camera and you show me you been holding back on us. Good work buddy. Danny
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very very nice
chuck
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reminds me on ebony and ivory from Ray Charles
well executed!!!!
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I'm gonna guess fiberglass ;)
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Dude they are sweet, my guess is bone.
...Or maybe Unicorn horn or compressed horse feathers? ::)
I wouldn't insult you by suggestion any of the plastic...
Del
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plastic, f-inglass, from j dub, that would be heresy in the highest order, tips look good JW, waiting on the rest
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SWEETTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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That white stuff is white chocolate for sure! I only hope the person your sending it to doesn't live in a hot climate. Hard on the tips. :P
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Here I thought this was primitive archery, and JW goes all classy on us !
Looking good !
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White stuff... cocaine ?
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I'm gonna guess fiberglass ;)
Give the man a cigar!
It's laminated FPR, fiberglass reinforced plastic. I was trying to get piano key overlays, but didn't score.
The downside, is that I was trying to take photos of the bow with full draw and now the tiller looks drastically different. Both limbs hinge right at the fades. Yeah, I know..I know! This is what happens when you use EFFING-GLASS ON A PRIMITIVE BOW.
I talked with iowabow about it this afternoon and he suggested I heat treat both fade outs, adding 2 inches of set-back to the handle, and try taking a very few light strokes off mid-limb to bring it back to an ellipse.
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Those are some very nice slender tips! Cant wait to see more pics!
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Heat treated/toasted the fadeouts and added 2 3/4 setback into the handle area. I took a few licks off the midlimb area, but just couldn't get myself to string it. My excuse was to allow the toasted sections to re-hydrate.
Pray this helps!
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I killed an old piano for its spruce sound board, but the keys were overlaid with some kind of celluloid--it burned very easily. No elephants were harmed in the making of that instrument!
Jim
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mm that is so very nice! Let me know if you need my address again for shipping! ::)
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Beautiful! It looks too white to me to be ivory, the ivory guitar saddles I work with are always more cream colored, it could be bleached bone though, or bleached ivory? Beautiful either way! :)
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The other day I put it on the tillering tree for photographs and the tiller looked off. I screwed around with it some, heat treating spots and lightly scraping other spots. I thought I had it dialed in, so I put it back on the tree to check full draw.
I don't know what happened, something slipped somewhere. I woke up on my back, lump on the back of my head and a major crack in the concrete floor. The bow was lying on the ground in front of me, unstrung. I was dizzy and sincerely p.o.'d. Maybe shoulda dialed 911 since my eyes were not focusing all that well and I was confused. But I just restrung the bow without checking and flung it back on the tree and yanked back on the pulley. Dain bramage resulting in poor decision making skills.
And we got detonation! Big bad blooooey!
Near as I can tell, when it slipped off the tillering tree and I went ash can over teakettle the bow came down and hit one of the tips on the concrete causing it to crack/seperate. When I strung it and pulled it back, the crack continued along and split the limb between growth rings. She's cratered beyond duct tape or sinew or superglue, the holy trinity of repair.
I had decided to forward the bow I had received in the trade. I just couldn't see getting one tillered much less finished and this sure as heck was not my recipient's problem. Why should he suffer for my failures. It was bothering me so much last nite that I could not sleep. At 2 a.m. I got up and went to the garage. The dog followed me and lay down in a pile of shavings giving me a suspicious eye.
I dug around and found a slat of hedge that I had split off a larger stave. I'd been saving it for a kids bow or maybe a little horse bow. I measured it all over and decided to give it a Hail Mary pass.
About noon today I took a break when it was tillered out to near full draw and around 50 lbs. I won't have time to mickey up fancy-dancey tips. She won't have all the make up and hairdressing, but she should be ready to dance.
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Bummer! I'm glad you're alright (relatively speaking ;)) Sounds like that bow just didn't want any fiberglass on it. >:D Too bad cause it sure was pretty looking. I for one will be happy to get any bow from you so if I'm your recipient please don't send me the trade bow you got and take your time.
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Sounds like that bow just didn't want any fiberglass on it.
You feelin' that, too? I guess I tried to be funny and the Bow Gods pimp smacked me for it.
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Lol!
I think you know this about me J-dub, but I could wait also. ;)
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Sorry to hear that jw!I'm in no rush either if that matters.
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Mere hours after a near death experience you have another one tillered out to 50 pounds? That's a pretty danged intense obsession / addiction if you ask me Mr. JW! ...and that dog of yours must be some kind of evil spirit trying to ensorcel you to your demise!
OneBow
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I blew the bow on Friday. Or Thursday, it's still kinda hazy. I seriously should have gone to see a doctor. Haze and confusion along with blurred vision after a blow to the head can be an indication you are gonna get dead soon.
My typical bow takes me 40 hours of work to turn out. But last nite with the rain and the soft thunder to calm me down...along with the dog, it was just like magic. In the first Bowyers Bible there is the section about tillering where the author says that for those times when you take a better grip on the tool and tell yourself yo are really gonna take some wood off this time that is the time to go soak your head in a bucket of icewater.
I walked out into the rain and let it wash me clean of those impure thoughts.
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Heck Sir,
Sorry to see that one come apart...
I hope you are feeling better physically.
As to the new bow, I say take your time.
If it takes a few extra days, I wouldn't have a problem with it, if it were headed my way. :)
-gus
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The other day I put it on the tillering tree for photographs and the tiller looked off. I screwed around with it some, heat treating spots and lightly scraping other spots. I thought I had it dialed in, so I put it back on the tree to check full draw.
I don't know what happened, something slipped somewhere. I woke up on my back, lump on the back of my head and a major crack in the concrete floor. The bow was lying on the ground in front of me, unstrung. I was dizzy and sincerely p.o.'d. Maybe shoulda dialed 911 since my eyes were not focusing all that well and I was confused. But I just restrung the bow without checking and flung it back on the tree and yanked back on the pulley. Dain bramage resulting in poor decision making skills.
And we got detonation! Big bad blooooey!
Near as I can tell, when it slipped off the tillering tree and I went ash can over teakettle the bow came down and hit one of the tips on the concrete causing it to crack/seperate. When I strung it and pulled it back, the crack continued along and split the limb between growth rings. She's cratered beyond duct tape or sinew or superglue, the holy trinity of repair.
I had decided to forward the bow I had received in the trade. I just couldn't see getting one tillered much less finished and this sure as heck was not my recipient's problem. Why should he suffer for my failures. It was bothering me so much last nite that I could not sleep. At 2 a.m. I got up and went to the garage. The dog followed me and lay down in a pile of shavings giving me a suspicious eye.
I dug around and found a slat of hedge that I had split off a larger stave. I'd been saving it for a kids bow or maybe a little horse bow. I measured it all over and decided to give it a Hail Mary pass.
About noon today I took a break when it was tillered out to near full draw and around 50 lbs. I won't have time to mickey up fancy-dancey tips. She won't have all the make up and hairdressing, but she should be ready to dance.
Im sorry JW but i find part of your story hard to believe. I do believe that the bow somehow came off of the tree.( it was probably mad at having efingglass glued to it) I do believe that your head is hard enough to destroy your concrete floor. I do believe that your bow blew up.( was probably so mad that it suffered from spontaneous explosion) But i cant believe that anything as soft as concrete could be the cause of your dain bramage. In fact i believe that the fact that you used efingglass on an othetwise healthy bow is PROOF that the dain bramage was a pre existing condition. Anyway, thats MY story and im sticking to it. >:D
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Too bad...but glad you got right back on the shave horse and made a bow, and a few laughs...as usual. Way to persevere you crazy ol hawk whisperer!
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to tell the truth J-dub, if I was you recipeant i'd want a JW bow, no matter how long it took, end of story, bub
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Wow thats a shocker.
Any idea how it happened? So with hope the rest of us wont make the same mistake?
Can only guess you slipped back and hit your head?
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Man I had missed this and came on to brag on the pretty tips,sorry for the loss
but it's just wood and I know that hard head of yours will recover. ;) :)
Pappy
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Glad you're ok ... I don't feel so silly now having put that hard hat on the other day >:D
Del
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Wow! Sorry to hear that happened and your right you probably should have been checked out. Sure you had a concussion at least. I dang near tko'd myself trying to get a string on one I was working on recently.
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I'm glad you're "OK" and i'm sorry to hear about the bow, but this has actually been an entertaining thread to read (knowing that everyone is OK of course). For some reason this line made me chuckle: "Haze and confusion along with blurred vision after a blow to the head can be an indication you are gonna get dead soon."
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For some reason this line made me chuckle: "Haze and confusion along with blurred vision after a blow to the head can be an indication you are gonna get dead soon."
That's straight from WebMD. Sorry for the loss. I understand that feeling of "I've got to get this done no matter how long it takes or how little sleep I get. I get the mindset from time time......typically mine is not preceeded by a severe concussion but I get it. Good luck with your build and I'm with most of the others. I'm sure most of the guys would be willing to wait a little longer. Poop happens. :-\
I copied this straight from Web MD
WebMD
Illness:
Gonna get dead soon.
Symptoms:
Haze
Confusion
Blurred vision
Insomnia
Extreme Focus and obsession on a particular task
Likely Causes:
Blow to the head
Fiberglass poisoning
Previous Mental illness
Treatment Options:
See a doctor immediately
Ignore it and embrace the insanity
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Treatment Options:
See a doctor immediately
Ignore it and embrace the insanity
Alternative Medicine Treatment Options
Take two shots of good burbon
and pickup your palm sander
...repeat as needed until you have shiney new bow tillered out to the proper weight.
OneBow
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<snip>
Treatment Options:
See a doctor immediately
Ignore it and embrace the insanity
Alternative Medicine Treatment Options
Take two shots of good burbon
and pickup your palm sander
...repeat as needed until you have shiney new bow tillered out to the proper weight.
OneBow
Yes.......Bourbon and power tools.....That'll fix it right up.
Bourbon might also be the cause of the blurred vision and haze to begin with.
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Good Grief Y'all...
Do I really have to say it?
You don't mix Bourbon with Power Tools...
It's Fine Aged Tequila, a Fine Cigar and Power Tools that equals Success!
8)
-gus
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You guys put a smile on my face and a chuckle in my belly.
I'm glad JW got back on that shave horse too. I made that trade bow for him and did'nt want no one else gettin it. Danny
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Fine aged tequila ....... I always thought it was shine.
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So why do those tips look all finished up and shiney and yet you where scraping and messing it with it? Did the tiller change after the initial "it's done and time to seal"?
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I'm with ya Pearl,I know lot of folks that love the finish work so good they do all of that before it is really a bow. :) Maybe they are just surer of their work than I am of mine. :) :) :) Make for bigger heart breaks. ;) :)
Pappy
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This keeps niggling at me as well... I know of noone on this site who is a greater trickster/comic than Mr. JW. Be he pulling our leg???
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So why do those tips look all finished up and shiney and yet you where scraping and messing it with it? Did the tiller change after the initial "it's done and time to seal"?
didn't you know, jw does all the finish work before tillering >:D
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I may have been a little hasty at laying up finish, or else I was too aggressive sanding out the fades area because when it was time to take the photos of the bow at full draw on the tillering tree it looked hinged. And I came unhinged. I didn't wanna send it out looking like that so I was indulging in my favorite past time....fixing something to death.
I have made a keychain fob out of the remaining tip.