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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: simson on August 15, 2013, 05:49:13 am

Title: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28 (No. 32)
Post by: simson on August 15, 2013, 05:49:13 am
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010958_zps7cdbf67c.jpg)

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010959_zps54a1e2be.jpg)
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: soy on August 15, 2013, 06:09:12 am
Let's see the full draw pic >:D
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: PrimitiveTim on August 15, 2013, 07:45:20 am
Hahaha!  this was moved to around the campfire cause a mod thought it was actually a snake and not a bow. lol  >:D  Can't wait to see the rest of this "snake"
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Pappy on August 15, 2013, 08:13:46 am
Yep,Sorry. ??? Let see it all. :) :) Sorry about that. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: Will H on August 15, 2013, 08:39:25 am
Oh my! That's gonna be sweet! I love snake bows!!!
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Post by: koan on August 15, 2013, 10:58:44 am
Had me fooled, lol... Lets see the rest ;).... Brian
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Post by: IdahoMatt on August 15, 2013, 11:02:24 am
That looks pretty neat!  Can't wait to see the rest of the pics :D
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Post by: Roy on August 15, 2013, 12:10:53 pm
Geeze Pappy, don't cha know a real bow when ya see one son? LOL

Nice bow...
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Post by: autologus on August 15, 2013, 12:24:31 pm
Is that a prairie rattler?  Its better to be on the rock than in your boot.

Grady
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: matthijsc on August 15, 2013, 02:48:13 pm
Hahaha!  this was moved to around the campfire cause a mod thought it was actually a snake and not a bow. lol  >:D  Can't wait to see the rest of this "snake"

Had me fooled as well :P Pretty need bow! Real nice job on the pictures too...  ;)
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: simson on August 15, 2013, 03:57:53 pm
Pappy, I apologize for the teasing!
After taking the pics, I realized that the first posted one looked realistic like a snake. The kinda 'blind' scale looks like an eye and a line like a mouth. So I couldn't resist …, sorry for your afford moving that thread and redoing!

Having much trouble with the HLD bow buildalong since some time, I wanted to have a positive feeling about a finished bow. Having always a bunch on the bench, I crapped this one and put on the last coat. Hope you like it too.

This was a never ending story, lasting now over two years. It started as an experimental project to see what is possible with osage/sinew and what is the right ratio. I did several sinew layers on that, in between the bow was shot and tillered and retillered and so on. But now I call it finished!

The stave needed several times heat correcting, also twist (horrible!) correcting until the string was nearly in line. This bow has single kerf nocks cut in the same side (not opposing) – not for looks, but to bring the string in the correct position.

This piece has lot of character, snakey and sideward changing crown on the back. Layout is a symmetrical, bend through the handle, static recurve.

Length is only 56”, recurves are steamed in, sinew is all ostrich (from the pet shop!).
The last layer is applied as heavy crown, I estimate the ratio 1:3 (sinew/osage). Sinew wrappings are under the nocks and in the handle area, to prevent popping off.

Handle is upholstered with a strip of leather for more comfort, hemp wrap is particularly dyed in matching colors of the skins. The skins are glued on with TBIII and now finished with shellac and a few coatings of hardoil. Arrow pass is stingray leather.

Let me hear your estimations about the drawweight! Tip: it's 41/16 mm midlimb, mass is 682grams.
Bow can be drawn to 28”.


I post a force draw curve in a few days.

Now enjoy!

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010990_zpsf5c0afaa.jpg)

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(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010960_zpsf6f0aaea.jpg)

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(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010977_zpsf70663a8.jpg)

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That heavy sinew package on the back caused several checks on the belly side, but no problem:

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010982_zpscb7da86e.jpg)

Upper limb is left

(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010971_zpsc197ef0e.jpg)
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1010970_zps443d86a2.jpg)
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Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: autologus on August 15, 2013, 04:05:57 pm
That is one sweet bow.

Grady
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Post by: Jodocus on August 15, 2013, 04:08:11 pm
Boah! That's a gem! Can't tell what I like best, that bow is unbelievable...
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Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on August 15, 2013, 04:31:24 pm
AMAZING bow! this needs to be in the BOM contest!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: bubby on August 15, 2013, 04:43:35 pm
i'll take a quess, 63# draw weight
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: dwardo on August 15, 2013, 05:07:13 pm
Crikey thats a winner, all of it.  8)

58lbs
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: soy on August 15, 2013, 05:18:21 pm
Nice fd looks like you are pulling hard...I'm guessing72#
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: BowSlayer on August 15, 2013, 05:26:00 pm
Had me convinced too. Cool bow
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Post by: doulosparachristos on August 15, 2013, 05:48:03 pm
You sir are an artist! 70#!
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Post by: rossfactor on August 15, 2013, 05:51:26 pm
Beautiful bow!

My guess is 74# @28"

Gabe
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Post by: Bryce on August 15, 2013, 05:59:32 pm
Very cool
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Post by: Newindian on August 15, 2013, 06:48:35 pm
The dark Osage really helps make the bow, 65#
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Post by: steve b. on August 15, 2013, 07:00:19 pm
Frightening.  Love it.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Ifrit617 on August 15, 2013, 07:05:59 pm
Since you normally pull further than that, I'm saying 87#@28"

Awesome work!!!

Jon
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Post by: missilemaster on August 15, 2013, 07:24:52 pm
Wow, what a bow!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Gus on August 15, 2013, 07:26:25 pm
Awesome Bow Simson!
Love the Charactor...

-gus
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Post by: tallpine on August 15, 2013, 07:53:40 pm
I always look for your bows, beautiful as usual.> Dan
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Post by: Arrowind on August 15, 2013, 08:08:06 pm
Wo that is a SWEEEEEEEET BOW!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Badly Bent on August 15, 2013, 09:06:53 pm
Braced and drawn profiles are a thing of beauty, matter of fact I find everything about that bow pleasing to the eye.
You sure make em, nice Simon.    I'll guess 77# @ 26" ?
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Viking on August 15, 2013, 09:19:03 pm
Very cool! I hope to make my first snake skin bow with a quarter split I worked on at Elm Hall.
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Post by: beetlebailey1977 on August 15, 2013, 09:28:32 pm
Simply stunning......it looks sexy and fast.
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on August 15, 2013, 09:40:44 pm
Wow! You sure know how to make a bow!  82# @ 28"
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Post by: lostarrow on August 15, 2013, 09:55:56 pm
Another fine bow ,Sir! 
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Post by: JW_Halverson on August 15, 2013, 10:07:14 pm
Darn!  I missed this getting posted, moved to "Around the Campfire" and getting moved back to bows!   >:(

Great bow and a great job messing with the Mods!  The Moderators are all great folks and they can stand a little good natured ribbing from time to time.  Especially if you post pics of bows like this one!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on August 15, 2013, 10:08:58 pm
Im gonna guess #62 @ 28
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Post by: JonW on August 15, 2013, 10:47:40 pm
Simon you never disappoint. That is a superb bow.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: BL on August 15, 2013, 11:43:56 pm
Awesome.  Period.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: Pappy on August 16, 2013, 06:54:34 am
No problem,should have known  ??? that one is well worth the wait,just beautiful
in all aspects.  :) :)Everyone knows I love snake bows but that is about as sweet as I have seen, :) beautiful tiller to boot,they are sometimes hard to get just right but you nailed it. :)Very nice job. ;) :) :)
   Pappy
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: beetlebailey1977 on August 16, 2013, 07:58:18 am
I would say 64#
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Post by: okiecountryboy on August 16, 2013, 08:31:13 am
that is crazy beautiful, seeeexy, sweeet, :o :o :o man what a job you did.
I am truly impressed! That is real craftsmanship.
I maybe missing out, but I don't believe that I have seen nocks covered in snake skin before.

Ron
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: okiecountryboy on August 16, 2013, 08:36:37 am
I say 68@ 28

Ron
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Post by: Blackcoyote on August 16, 2013, 09:47:14 am
Amazing bow and work, love it....nice work on the photos too very original display!

Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: simson on August 16, 2013, 03:13:01 pm
Since you normally pull further than that, I'm saying 87#@28"

Awesome work!!!

Jon

Ifrit is next, but way to go ...

will lift the secret tomorrow
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: adb on August 16, 2013, 03:47:04 pm
Snakey bows aren't my thing, but that is very cool! Nicely done. I love the side nocks, and your tiller is perfect.
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Post by: bushboy on August 16, 2013, 06:00:27 pm
Truley wicked!
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Post by: HighlandRanger on August 16, 2013, 06:28:23 pm
Amazing and beautiful work!
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Post by: papoints on August 16, 2013, 06:50:12 pm
Wow.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!!
Post by: simson on August 17, 2013, 11:07:54 am
(http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/hh576/orangesimson/1308%20osage%20snakey%20105/P1020001_zps5ca66f73.jpg)

I have an excel sheet for doing my f/d curves, it ends at a drawweight of 90lbs.

This bow can be drawn to 28" (not by me!) and has here a drawweight of 105lbs.

A buddy of mine can shoot this monster. One day I gave it to him for testing and he was so enthusistic he didn't stop for two hours. I can draw it to only max. 90#.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: Weylin on August 17, 2013, 12:06:52 pm
 :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: danny f on August 17, 2013, 12:31:15 pm
that bow is a work of art. excellent as usual. and what a draw weight.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: dwardo on August 17, 2013, 04:21:16 pm
Absolutely gobsmacking.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: k-hat on August 17, 2013, 06:29:07 pm
blew a hernia when i saw that fd curve :o :o :o
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: okiecountryboy on August 17, 2013, 11:43:49 pm
Hey Simon
That  is some kinda weight. If that thing EVER snapped....Well if you here a TIC call 911!

Ron
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: wildkatt on August 18, 2013, 01:00:33 pm
 >:D I like  >:D And i want it.LOL >:D would make a great bow for my elk and buff. hunts this year. feel free to send it my way. Promise to send pics of success. lol 8)

Katt
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: dbb on August 18, 2013, 02:41:35 pm
105 #...ok i can shoot that,but not too many shots and not comfortably.
That truly is a beast in more than apearance  :o  Impressive....again
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: half eye on August 18, 2013, 03:41:02 pm
Hey simson, don't know about the bow, but the bowyer is for sure a wild animal. There must be a few T-REX's runnin your neighborhood, eh?   absolutely beautiful bend there, as do all your bows have.
rich
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: dbb on August 19, 2013, 02:53:06 pm
Pretty nice drawcurve for a primitive bow there, smooth (if 105# is ever smooth  ;D ) all the way. Cool!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: Carson (CMB) on August 19, 2013, 03:06:56 pm
Off the Charts!!!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: simson on August 19, 2013, 04:22:30 pm
Thanks guys for that nice compliments!

Hey simson, don't know about the bow, but the bowyer is for sure a wild animal. There must be a few T-REX's runnin your neighborhood, eh?   absolutely beautiful bend there, as do all your bows have.
rich

Rich, unfortunately bowhunting is illegal in Germany  >:( . So must let them run, I hope they stay at neighbours ...

Pretty nice drawcurve for a primitive bow there, smooth (if 105# is ever smooth  ;D ) all the way. Cool!

This bow has incredible early drawweight and an higher increase in the first inches. When I have guests, I brace this bow for them - you should see the faces when they try to pull this snake.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: Gus on August 20, 2013, 10:43:59 pm
When I have guests, I brace this bow for them - you should see the faces when they try to pull this snake.

I Love It...

:)

-gus
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: stickbender on August 21, 2013, 01:43:16 am
    Mein Gott!  Das iss Goot! :o  Man you are indeed a master bowyer!  8) Absolutely beautiful! 8)
105 lbs. at full draw?!!!!!  You say you can "ONLY" pull it back to 90lbs.?!!  I couldn't even brace it! :o :P  And you say your friend can?!!! :o  Be glad he is your Friend! ;) ;D ;D
Sorry about the misspelled Deutsch, just guessing at it.  The only thing I would be worried about is the string wearing off the skin on the nocks.  But still, it is an absolutely stunning bow.
I do believe you could get a consistent pass through with that bow!  But you might as well not bother looking for the arrow afterwards, since it is probably somewhere in the Swiss, or Italian Alps!  Man I wonder what that would do at the world flight shoots?! :o  You would have to attach a locator beacon on the arrow!  Beautiful job, by a true master, thanks for sharing it, and messing with moderators.  They need their tail feathers tugged now and then. ;) ;D
                                                                 Wayne
P.S.  Too bad you are not allowed to hunt in Germany.  What about Switzerland?  Heck get with one of the moderators here, and come over here for a hunt!  That should dump a BIG hog, or Elk, or Buffalo !  Heck that should roll a Grizzly Bear with no problems!  Unfortunately at this time they are protected, But in Montana there is a proposal to take them off the endangered list, so.....someday maybe they can be hunted. ;)  Canada has some huge deer, and black bear. ;)  Especially in Saskatchewan!
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: Parnell on August 21, 2013, 03:52:21 pm
I've never seen anyone hit that weight with this type of bow.  It's beautiful and fascinating.  Ostrich sinew...huh!?
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: Bowman on August 22, 2013, 06:21:00 am
Respect.  :D Wonderful and agressive and stunning. Like it a lot. :-)
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Post by: BryBow on September 10, 2013, 09:50:35 am
A bow of beauty.
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Post by: BowEd on September 10, 2013, 12:46:05 pm
Lordy can't believe I missed this one.More outstanding work simson from every view.You might want to hand that one to a weight lifter.....LOL.
Title: Re: snake in our yard!! osage/sinew 105/28
Post by: BowEd on September 10, 2013, 02:49:25 pm
The Power of SINEW!!!!!!!Unbraced profile says it all on that short of a bow with the wiggles in it with that poundage.