Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: wood_bandit99 on September 03, 2013, 11:18:04 am
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Ever since I was a new bowyer I always wanted to do character bows. I wanted it to be, when we go to a 3d tournament or something, to set my bow down next to everyone else's and not have to search for my bow because it looks so much like the others. I wanted my bows to be snaky, lumpy, and have knots and holes. I just talked to a few bowyers near me. One guy, Jason, does bows and loves it. He has only made a couple somewhat character bows. The rest were "fiberglass straight" osage bows. He took out any reflex or deflex he would just make them straight. The other guy, Jerry, sells staves and I was talking to him and he sells "good staves" and "premium staves". I asked him "what do u mean by that? I know people that lik zero character and I know people that lik a lot of character." He said he sells staves that are pipe straight and the bows look lik fiberglass. I told him I like the character staves and he said he had a bunch but nobody ever wants them. He says he tinkers on them himself. So, what are u are u like me and Jerry, the character boys or do u like making bows from pipes?
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Character! I want my homemade wood bows to look like what they are...homemade wood bows.
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Yup, never really noticed it until I worked on a perfectly clean bow and a character bow at the same time. The clean stage was soooo boring
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There must be a ton of wusses around here then, pat and indian!!! I always wanted mine to be able to pick mine out from a mile away!
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I'm with you--I like the bumps, bark, and wobbles. I appreciate any homemade bow that shoots well but I prefer something that blends in with the forest (with its fast flight string :))
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Knots, cracks, snakes and holes scare me. That's why Im a wussy.
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I certainly get the most comments about my character bows, especially the yew bows.
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Hi my name is Sean and I am a wussy.
In reality I have never seen a pipe straight stave of Osage that didn’t have some character to it. I definitely haven’t worked with two that were the same. So in to me they are all different enough to keep from being boring.
I think it was Mickey Lotz that said something like “the good stuff makes better bows but the bad stuff makes better Bowyers”. I like a challenge as well but my best shooting bows have been fairly straight forward builds.
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Oh, come on pearlie!! Wood is stronger than you think and it's smart. It raises the knot and ads wood around it that is the same amount of bending wood. The cracks do nothing. I find a stave and find a design that fits it. I don't find a stave to match a design. Anything is possible :)
It was a joke bandit. Ive made plenty of them. There comes a point in your "career" as a wood bender where those nasty checked up, twisted messes have zero glow to them. You will get tired of wrestling them after you've tried a few. There fun to tinker with, but if a solid hunting bow is what your after a clean stave is a better choice. Ive never broke or had a clean stave break. Its the character bows that have a limited shelf life in my experience.
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I think you learn more about the wood and bow making with a character stave. I guess it depends on what I plan to make. On my newest bow, the short sinew backed static recurve I'm letting cure now I wanted as clean of a stave as I could get. I got the stave from Clint and it had a big, cool hole in one end. I cut that hole off to give me an almost perfect stave(as perfect as an osage stave can be) so I would have a better chance of success with this highly stressed bow I wanted to make.
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I search out the 'better' staves because I already have enough firewood, kindling, and frustration in my life. I'd like a few more hand made primitive styled bows though, ...and the odds of achieving that goal are sharply increased when I start with a 'better' stave. Does that make me a wussy-man? Well, Okay then... Here's my new T-Shirt:
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Order me one to Onebow, extra large tall is perfect!
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I see where you are coming from pat. I'm trying to get after people that have plenty of skill and just won't do them for some reason. Thanks for the feed guys, this is fun to see what people like to do.
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I like both a lot....just depends on what mood I'm in and what kind of bow I wanna make at the time 8)
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I'm a charcter bow guy. I love em. My goal is to make them as reliable and accurate as any other. I began making character bows very early in my bowmaking... #1 was straight, kinda... #2, 3, and 4 were snakey. I think it helped me immensely in my learning curve. I've made them with big knots, holes, insane amount of snake, sise to side leaners with each snakey turn, deflex in one limb and reflex in the other. Whatever, I like em all. Theyre my favorite to make, shoot, hunt with, and admire.
Straight bows are fine, I still make them too. Theyre just less challenging and a little boring in comparison.
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I reckon I'm a wus! Pin knots scare me! Josh
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"Character" is nice to have but if you are having to beat every inch of the thing into shape I think its just too much stress on the wood for the bow to have a long life.
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Can't say that I can remember ever getting board from working a stave !
Always something different about each one , or a new little something to try !
Try taking a strait as a pipe stave ( if there is such a thing ) and bend it into a snake-y of a design as you want , then try to make a perfectly strait bow from a snake-y piece and when you have done both come back and tell us what your thoughts are !
OK I am bored with this topic so on to the next piece !
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So.... You like your staves to look like this?
(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u437/stevenbennett2/fence%20post/20121227_154124.jpg)
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That kind of stave is the only thing that keeps me from falling asleep in my shop Steve.
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I work with staves that 'feel' like they have a good bow inside them. I think that's way more important than whether a stave is straight and knot free or twisty and crazy. If it feels right, I go for it. But, I may be a hippy. ;)
Gabe
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I've been known to make a snakey bow or two... ::) :D
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in my opinion character can either come from nature, which is the character that you are referring to, but it can also come from the bowyer. One of my favorite bows to look at is Pearlies "two of two" bow.http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,37380.0.html
I love this bow, it has a ton of character: curves, tips, skins, etc. all of which were imparted by the bowyer. it looks like this bow came from a pretty "boring" stave, but is now a far cry from boring.
I do like the look of a natural character bow, i like making them, i actually think they are easier to make since there is usually little to no correction needed if you are leaving them as is, and i am not yet familiar with the techniques that are required to impart my own character such as extreme curves and fancy tips.
Oh and even though i have a lot of nice osage, HHB, and hickory staves i still build some board bows now and then, that still doesn't make me a wus...only fiberglass does that!
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i like the kind of wood that makes a bow......... everything else is for wussys
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I like both a lot....just depends on what mood I'm in and what kind of bow I wanna make at the time 8)
Same goes for me.
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Cut a tree down and make as many bows from it as you can. I don't think we ought to be picky about what we get out of a tree. For someone new at it like me I appreciate a clean stave but I'll attempt some pretty ugly ones too. They don't always turn out real well but it's part of learning.
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Turtle, I have a stave that looks remarkably like that one. ;D It will be a real challenge but one I will gladly attack. Whether I get a bow out of it is another subject all together, but I will get educated just tryng. ;)
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If I'm making one for other people, I like clean staves. I don't like sending a bow that is questionable for durability. For me, I enjoy the character when I can take my time making the bow.
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So.... You like your staves to look like this?
(http://i1067.photobucket.com/albums/u437/stevenbennett2/fence%20post/20121227_154124.jpg)
Exactly like that! I send people straight bows but that's because it's easier for me and not as questionable for them.
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Ok bandit, you got my interest. Post some pics of these nastys your talking about. I gotta see some!
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Guess it all depends on ones perspective.
When i see a squirelly bow,i think to myself,Couldnt you find any better wood than that.LOL
Actually,
If you think about it,It seems you didnt see many "Character" bows,untill archery and bowyery became a recreational past time.Before that,they seemed to seek out the cleanest wood,they could find.
Especially concerning woods like Osage, Vine Maple and Juniper.It seems to be more of a challenge to find clean wood,to make a bow out of.
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We have to blame Chet Stevenson for the character bow(and arrows) craze. Chet was around long ago.
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I just finished a hickory self bow backed with snake skin and has cow bone tip over lays . And this bow has 13 knots on the back . No backing ( snake skins is for looks only ) its 48# @ 26 " so far its my favorite bow . I have 2 yew staves coming tomorrow . One is " fiberglass striaght " and the other is very much so a charecter stave .... i like building both kinds of staves the same . Char staves are fun . And. Premium staves co.e out very well . Both are awsome in my mind . Vine maple is usually wiggly and knoty . Im getting one of those tomorrow as well . Hejehe yay !!!!!
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So what I read by your thread is that you are one of a few who is a hard core bow maker.If you want some really snaky bows posted do it.With a build along.Noone stopping ya.It's a wuss who stands there and hollers for something he is'nt able to show.They've been posted before by lots of bowyers on here and hope you can too.I've made em myself.To draw a line as to what is hard to make and what is'nt all depends on what your trying to get out of the stave you are working.If all it is is looks that's very superficial as is your worded thread.It's got nothing to do with hard core.It's got to do with reading the wood your working with and realizing it's potential.When you get to that point in your bow making you'll have a different view of bow making.I agree with you that sometimes these primitive bows are in the FG mode way of looking and do perform quite well, but they are still all natural materials which sets them far and away from FG bows.Lately snakey bows hav'nt been posted.If that's what you want to see.So do I.So post em and not from just osage either.
What do you ask of your bow and for what purpose?
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Apparently you hav'nt gone to too many bow making gatherings.The snaky staves go for a premium dollar price over straighter staves and are not given away.
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I've been hooked up with a couple guys around me for staves. I had never heard of primitive archer and can't believe I haven't found it until my friend told me. I am sorry if my words offended any of u. I didn't mean for people to take everything so literally I just wanted to see what people think of it. For lack of better words and thought it would add some fun I put wuss but I know people that do both character and non character. Heck, I do it too! I was trying to just make a conversation in the forum to tell people my thoughts and have people tease each other. I meant wuss in a joking fashion and just wanted to tease people. If u make a bow good, then u have skill. I just wanted people to see they can try stuff and I wanted to see what people thought of themselves.
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I have done a few w some character and that is enough. I am more into something somewhat straight. A little character is nice though.
Greg
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I make bows. That's all.
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Soooo......where's the pics of these character bows? Actually, I'd be happy to see any of your bows, character or no. Josh
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No apology needed and welcome to the PA site.A better response would be pictures of hilacious character bows made by you.Like your enthusiasm though.Practically everything that's made into a primitive bow has been done at some time or another.Type in a search for a paticular type of bow and see.Bows of the month in the past is a good search too.There are all kinds of choices out there.We show who we are by the bows we post and meeting at bow making gatherings not by what we think we are.Bow making can be a humbling experience especially in the beginning no matter who we think we are.There are some very skilled bowyers on here and patient with beginners.A lot of people unsure of themselves too.It's a learning site.Hang around and see.
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You got it. The only pics I have on my computer of bows are my first few osage bows. They have a bit of character. I think you all will laugh when u see the growth rings. They are ATLEAST 1/2" wide. Yes, it is osage :D
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Im a hardcorewuz, I like em' all, straight and character ridden. Couldn't begin to tell you how many extreme character staves I've started and how many hours I've spent trying to get a bow out of them only to have many of them break or have to give up on em' because of some hidden flaw. Still fun but I'm starting to get more selective about which staves I'm willing to pump time into. I've got a huge stack of failed attempts due to bad judgement and over estimating my abilities to get a silk purse out of a sows ear. ;) ;D
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Like them either way,made plenty of snaky/holey/cracked/short/long and anything in between,just depends on my mood, use to if they wasn't something that no one thought you could make a bow from I didn't want it but now clean and straight as I can get. Got lots of character staves in the rafters waiting when I get in that mood again. :) So I guess I wasn't a wuss but am now. ;) :) By the way welcome to PA. Lets see some of your work. :)
Pappy
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You got it. The only pics I have on my computer of bows are my first few osage bows. They have a bit of character. I think you all will laugh when u see the growth rings. They are ATLEAST 1/2" wide. Yes, it is osage :D
Im betting those first few bows you have pics of are your only bows. Be yourself and be honest WB99, thats my best advice. Welcome to PA.
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Sniff sniff. Is that a squirrel I'm smelling? ;D
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Now that was funny. Not as funny as calling an entire community a bunch of wusses without ever posting a bow, character or straight, but funny.
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It's like Deja vu ain't it Clint. ::) Games up young man. Unless you want to end up on the "don't feed the squirrels" list, please, follow Pearlies advice. Josh
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(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20CLINT-HP/New%20bow%20stuff/dontfeedsquirrels.jpg)
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I like it all. I DON"T like knots that are gonna make the back fail. But I love snake. I love a character stave, and even love it more when it is a character bow, but I also love a nice clean perfect stave too. When I go cutting trees for bow wood, I definitely don't look for character "trees" though, :). Well sometimes I do if they got a lot of snake in the bark.
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Ill put the one I'm working on right now. U guys have unleashed the beast :)
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Unleashed the beast? Lol! I think not! Clint's still behaving quite well.....at this point anyway. ;) >:D Josh
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I'm not as grumpy now that I'm on day shift Josh ;)
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I do admire a well finished bow but for myself once they get shot and sealed I am done. I like the primitive homemade look. I used to rub mine down with motor oil to seal them. I figured it worked pretty good on all my hammers I use at work as a mechanic.
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Lol! That's good to hear Clint!
Come on Wood_bandit! I'm gettin kinda blue around the edges here! I been holding my breath waiting for pics! Lol! Anybody else have a mental image of young mister bandit, in his backyard right now, just choppin the Hell out of one of his mom's prize ornamental flowering trees with a hatchet so he has something to take a picture of? :o >:D. Hehehe! Come on Youngblood! You can't just come out talking smack, calling everybody wussies, brag about your character bows, promise pics and then make us all wait! ???That ain't right! >:( ;) Why that's just plain rotten! Lol! Josh
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i like a bow that shoots good, if a character bow shoots better than others so be it, but i'm not gonna use or make a bow just cuz it looks pretty...
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What's friggin awesome is that a bow can shoot real good, be pretty, and just bursting at the seems with character.
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Gun doc, I have this thing called a job and school.
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Everyone on here has lives, work, kids, school you name it. I personally have two young kids and a full time job and a small second job. In my free time i build bows and post pictures of them. Honestly, looking back when i was only in school and had a job, i wonder what i did with all my free time, life was easy back then. You already said you had some pics taken, presumably on the same computer you are using to post on this forum. It should take just a few clocks to get pictures posted.
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I do believe I am hardcore. I only heat to get the string on the handle or to fix a deflexed limb.
But sometimes a nice straight stave is good. :) Jawge
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Gun doc, I have this thing called a job and school.
:'( don't be angry it ...only seems logical that if you already have pics you can post progress, let's see what you have sunshine ;)
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Gun doc, I have this thing called a job and school.
Good deal! Glad to hear it! So does that mean we won't be seeing any finished bow pics? Josh
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where did those pics go, looked like one heck of a hinge right out of the fade on one side, but the pics are gone
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They're still up, but they're on a different thread titled "bows of mine". Although I don't know why the word bow was plural. Typo maybe? Josh
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Hey, little Wood Bandit, How old are you? it's not nice calling a bunch of old farts out like Pearlie or Gun Doc. And I'm real suprised after running your mouth, I mean fingers, that you haven't posted any pictures of these BOM,,, oop's sorry, never saw your bows even entered in BOM, uuuuh any of your bows.
You can talk a bunch of crap and talk in circles for 5 pages but you still haven't shown anyone some of your Art work.
There is a load of talent on this site and it is almost always for free, if you know how to use it.
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Hey, little Wood Bandit, How old are you? it's not nice calling a bunch of old farts out like Pearlie or Gun Doc. And I'm real suprised after running your mouth, I mean fingers, that you haven't posted any pictures of these BOM,,, oop's sorry, never saw your bows even entered in BOM, uuuuh any of your bows.
You can talk a bunch of crap and talk in circles for 5 pages but you still haven't shown anyone some of your Art work.
There is a load of talent on this site and it is almost always for free, if you know how to use it.
old farts hahaha ...the rest is very well put sweet pea
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Hey, little Wood Bandit, How old are you? it's not nice calling a bunch of old farts out like Pearlie or Gun Doc. And I'm real suprised after running your mouth, I mean fingers, that you haven't posted any pictures of these BOM,,, oop's sorry, never saw your bows even entered in BOM, uuuuh any of your bows.
You can talk a bunch of crap and talk in circles for 5 pages but you still haven't shown anyone some of your Art work.
There is a load of talent on this site and it is almost always for free, if you know how to use it.
I am finishing up the one I'm doing right now. Hoping to get it done by Monday then get some real pics :) :) :) :) I will get some other pics of my other 2 osage bows in my possession. And bubby, it is a character bow and you'll see some pics. It has zero string follow or set or whatever people are calling it ;) it is 64" and 50# at 30". So obviously it is tillered good or at least as good ad I know how:) it has a reflex deflex ish profile that is natural so it is weird looking at brace and full draw. I'm sanding it and glueing bocote tips on. I will do a linseed and beeswax finish and deer fur rest? I would rather show u guys all of them finished.
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This is just like the sign at the bar that says, "free beer tomorrow"!
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I don't know how I missed this thread. If you don't have some pics it never happened. I get tired of kids talking too much crap nowadays. I hope you are not "from" Oklahoma. I know you're a kid and don't know any better but I would like to give you a thrashing for saying that. I'm PROUD to be an Okie. I'll go to bed now I must be getting cranky. >:(
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Roflmao! Hey sweatpea, don't be so reserved! Go ahead and tell us how you really feel! Lol! Old fart huh? I got to laughing so hard over that comment that I had tears rolling down my cheeks. I haven't felt so good in weeks! Thank you for that! ;D. Josh
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I like the cracks , holes , twists , and bumps .
The main reason is someone always buys my straight staves before I get a chance to work on them , besides I live in Oklahoma and most of what I cut looks clean until I split it and get it down to the yellow , I do have my eyes on a straight osage that I will get to this winter .
I've got a stave at the house right now with a hole in it and its narrow also , bout an inch wide or so , just trying to decide wether to put the hole in the fade or in the working limb , that will determine the length .
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What part of Oklahoma do u live in? I'm really sorry guys I'm trying to get the bow finished so I can get it to Eric before hunting season. I just need to get it finished and then take pics. I will post my other two bows I have in my possession now
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Just when I thought we had straightened out the squirrels... :-[ >:( >:D
Jon
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South of Stillwater a ways .
Be careful around these fellas , they take bow building serious around here , they will ease off a little if you post your progress from time to time and will be glad to help if a problem should come up ( their knolage is priceless ).
With a situation going on with my mother I haven't picked up any wood or tools in a couple of months , the bow I'm working on for my supervisor at work is just hanging on the wall waiting for me to get back to it , I'm just burnt out and tiered right now , I have posted a pic of it a while back ( the OSS is going to get a bunch of rattan youth bows roughed out next weekend and I think helping with that might give me a jump start and put me back in the mood ).
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It has zero string follow or set or whatever people are calling it ;)
just found some text on another archery site explaining the diffrence.
the difference between "set" and "string follow." First of all, all bows have set. "Set" is when the belly wood gets compressed, and the limb bends more toward the belly than it did before. Now let's say you take a bow with 5" of reflex, and after tillering it, it has 3" of reflex left. That means it has 2" of set because it has been deformed by 2".
But such a bow has no string follow. String follow is the amount of deflex in the bow. If you start off with a perfectly straight bow, and you end up with 2" of set, it will also have 2" of string follow. But if the bow starts off with 1" of reflex and takes a 2" set, it will have 1" of string follow. If you start off with 2" of reflex and take 2" of set, the bow will be perfectly straight with no string follow.
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(http://i.imgur.com/wQBIsZ3.jpg)
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huisme, I've seen that picture before but don't care for it much. It doesn't really reflect most people's definition of set/string follow. I agree with Bowslayer's definition (did I just day that!? ;) )
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huisme, I've seen that picture before but don't care for it much. It doesn't really reflect most people's definition of set/string follow. I agree with Bowslayer's definition (did I just day that!? ;) )
But... My drawing is a visualization of what Bowslayer said... Isn't it?
Set is when the belly wood becomes compressed and the limbs rest more toward the belly: check.
String follow is when the bow bends toward the belly past perfectly straight when unbraced / when the bow has deflex: check.
Where did I go wrong?
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Hmm, I guess what you're saying is true but the picture doesn't take enough subtleties into account. The picture seems to say that set is when a bow starts with reflex and ends up straight and that string follow is when a bow starts off straight and ends with deflex. There's more to it than that. Both of the pictures are examples of set. and the second picture does show a bow with string follow but it's possible to have a bow that has string follow that hasn't taken any set. Anyway, I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill, just thought I'd throw in my two cents about set. Lets get back to talking about all the wusses that don't make character bows. ;)
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I s'pose I could edit it to reflect that better. Probably will, since I like to have explanations for that kind of stuff handy for customers.
I'm only half wuss ;) I like my mollegabets and round-bellied bows pretty uniform, but I only add or remove character with steam when absolutely necessary otherwise.
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Hey poggins, I agree with you I should post some more bows so they stop getting all up in my stuff! People are antsy on here ;) bow making takes awhile guys, what happened to patience???
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Hey poggins, I agree with you I should post some more bows so they stop getting all up in my stuff! People are antsy on here ;) bow making takes awhile guys, what happened to patience???
Nah, people are pretty friendly and laid back, really. We've just had a recent string of uppity youngsters producing a lot more hot air than bows. Some people who are otherwise cool as a cucumber just had their B.S. tolerance exceeded a few times. We like new bowyers, we like young people learning and making bows and our patience for those people is virtually limitless. No one expects you to have a stack of perfect bows to show off, just don't talk like you do if you really don't. Ask questions, post pics, show your progress and be humble and be yourself and I promise you will find everyone here to be relaxed and friendly.
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Perfectly said Weylin
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I started popping out two a week, that's what >:D
Well, tillering. Finishing work takes a while.
And that's not counting heat treating. I get several bows through one stage to the next, it's just that heat treating makes for long waits.
So...
I don't know what happened, but +1 to Weylin.
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I like my bows with eraser nipples and skinny tits...I meant tips >:D
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Well said Weylin , I don't crank out bows or make anything fancy , I work on them when I'm in the mood or need to clear my head . I like passing on what I've learned from others, I enjoy showing someone new to bow building how to chase a ring and will stick with them when they have a tricky stave help with layout all the way to the tiller ( still working on string building myself ) . I like the reaction when they shoot their bow for the first time especially the kids , at OJAM we get the whole family involved . When I started it took two trips to OJAM to make my first bow , I stood back with my stave and watched as several kids stood in line wanting help and the excitement when they got done something just clicked and I wanted to help . At the last OJAM we had a little girl in our group with her father , both working on bows but her stave was a challenging one even for someone with a few bows under their belt . To keep her from getting discouraged I gave her a clean easy stave and helped her with it , she stuck with it and was shooting her bow before her father , that was a good feeling .
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Poggins and weylin, I get u guys and that makes sense I just thought people were hatin >:D poggins, I went to ojam and that's what got me started. The guys were really amazing. I had the worlds weirdest staves a friend gave me. Osage with 1/2" growth rings and hackberry that looked like war bow quality yew. They only showed me how to chase a ring and the rest I've learned from experience, reading, and watching videos. Where do u guys get your 'sage? I might be running out of osage at my source. I could pick it up at ojam but who knows how many I'm gonna make!!
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Well said Weylin!
WB99- I needled you quite a bit for those pics for a reason. Myself and probably countless others really do enjoy helping folks along when we can. To do that, we have to have an idea where your skill level is. Talk is....well...just talk. When starting out, it's better to ask questions and listen. Now by your comments, it would seem that you would have us believe that you were a professional bowyer that could make a high quality bow out of any piece wood in existence. Now the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. The pics of your bows tell a different story than you did. Understand, I am NOT knocking you or your work. They are not bad at all for starting out. You definitely have potential. A potential that will be realized much quicker and easier if you learn from those that would gladly help you. Myself included. It seems that at about 14 or 15 yrs of age, being a bit of an awkward age, young fellas tend to try so hard to prove that they are worthy to hang out with a crowd that they end up alienating themselves. There's no need for that here. I think it was Jim Hamm or someone of his caliber that said, and I'm paraphrasing, you don't have to prove you are a master to be accepted here. The fact that you are here and want to be a part of this is enough for us to accept and welcome you. It won't be long and you will have the experience to help the next budding bowyer. Until then, keep listening, learning and making shavings. But above all, enjoy the ride. Josh
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I would also like to add that although I had been making bows off and on before I found this community, my bows have improved a hundred fold since joining here. I have learned and continue to learn more from these fine folks than I can ever repay. That is one of the many reasons why I try to pass on what I can if its an experience or problem that I have personally encountered. Keep at it and you will understand where I'm coming from soon enough. Like most things in life, the more I learn, the more I realize I don't know. Once you understand that, the learning comes easier. Josh
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Hey, little Wood Bandit, How old are you? it's not nice calling a bunch of old farts out like Pearlie or Gun Doc. And I'm real suprised after running your mouth, I mean fingers, that you haven't posted any pictures of these BOM,,, oop's sorry, never saw your bows even entered in BOM, uuuuh any of your bows.
You can talk a bunch of crap and talk in circles for 5 pages but you still haven't shown anyone some of your Art work.
There is a load of talent on this site and it is almost always for free, if you know how to use it.
Not sure who you are, but I like your style SP. Sometimes protecting feelings will hault the most important lesson to be learned.
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there are people on here that you would hate to get on their bad side, like Pearlie lol >:D but if you listen to them and take their advice then they can be some of the most giving and helpful people you will ever meet. this group of people are more than willing to go out of their way to help you out if you let them and respect them. there are very few "Hobbiest" groups that will openly share information like this one will. this website is a goldmine of info and we get very annoyed when someone comes in and either lies and or disrespect us when all we wanted to do was help you out without any knowledge of who you are.
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Well said Weylin!
WB99- I needled you quite a bit for those pics for a reason. Myself and probably countless others really do enjoy helping folks along when we can. To do that, we have to have an idea where your skill level is. Talk is....well...just talk. When starting out, it's better to ask questions and listen. Now by your comments, it would seem that you would have us believe that you were a professional bowyer that could make a high quality bow out of any piece wood in existence. Now the proof is in the pudding, so to speak. The pics of your bows tell a different story than you did. Understand, I am NOT knocking you or your work. They are not bad at all for starting out. You definitely have potential. A potential that will be realized much quicker and easier if you learn from those that would gladly help you. Myself included. It seems that at about 14 or 15 yrs of age, being a bit of an awkward age, young fellas tend to try so hard to prove that they are worthy to hang out with a crowd that they end up alienating themselves. There's no need for that here. I think it was Jim Hamm or someone of his caliber that said, and I'm paraphrasing, you don't have to prove you are a master to be accepted here. The fact that you are here and want to be a part of this is enough for us to accept and welcome you. It won't be long and you will have the experience to help the next budding bowyer. Until then, keep listening, learning and making shavings. But above all, enjoy the ride. Josh
Great post Josh.
Nothing gets on my nerves worse than a 14 or 15 year old "expert" ::)
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i normally dont put in my 2 cents but its been bugging me lately.
how about we get an admin to take this down and give the kid a new start?
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I'm all for giving him a new start if he wants it. That's what I've been trying to work towards. However, I do believe there should be a sticky put up that more or less outlines this so that these new folks understand that all they have to be is themselves. This old world has done a lot of changing even since I was that age. One thing that hasn't changed is what its like to be that age. I can't remember where I laid my drawknife 5 minutes ago, but i still remember trying to fit in. I'm just trying to make em understand to be themselves and its all good. Josh
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A bow with character is like a person with character: they are more interesting if they have it.
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There is Character induced beauty as well as Character induced flaws. Pushing your material toward the former and away from the latter is called craftsmanship.
OneBow
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Thank you guys and I'm sorry for coming off rude I was not meaning to I just wanted to start a conversation and get people to know me. And u guys don't have to take this off. It can be my reminder how I messed up. :) how would u guys want to just forget about this and this "awkward" 14 year old will just be himself ;) how would that be? Thanks guys! And just as a reminder, I like to tease so please nobody be offended! :)
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No offense taken here. Welcome aboard. Hope to see you grow as a bowyer.
Gabe
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I remember being young enough to know everything O:) Let see some bows, we all love looking at each others ideas.
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That's fine! That's real fine! Teasing is good as long as you remember it goes both ways. ;) Lol! Welcome aboard WoodBandit! I'm looking forward to seeing some more of your stuff! Josh
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Welcome aboard the forum. Just don't tell lies and be yourself. I learnt that the hard way. And im still learning. Looking forward to seeing your bows.
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I guess you can come along and welcome aboard again.......LOL.As soon as your head shrinks enough to fit through the doorway you can come along.