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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: blackhawk on September 07, 2013, 11:43:34 am
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Heres a hickory backed osage with walnut core limbs...8 different lams alone come into the reverse handle..theres curly maples,walnuts,hickory,padauk,and the osage...the curve underlays are walnut and curly maple as well with horn tip overlays and string bridges...python skins cover the back...theres almost more glue than wood in this bow :laugh: :laugh: 62" ntn...47@27"...18 ounces mass weight...3 1/2" reflex at rest after over 300 shots...started with a hair over 5"....smooooothest pulling bow ive ever made yet...fast...and accurate as well...the curves are inspired by ryano's big curve bows,and the reverse style handle is inspired by his brother pato's reverse handle bows..and the rest is all my flair 8)
sorry bout the pics guys...it doesn't do the bow justice by a long shot...I tried :-\
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and a perfect ending to a perfect day in the gorgeous wooded hills of pennsyltucky 8)
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Incredible Chris, truly a work of art. Love that pic of the bow on you head. Good name choice.
Jon
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I just wet myself :o
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Im not into reverse handles but i would make an exception for this one...she's a beauty and the full draw says it all. Great craftsmanship!!.... Brian
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Love the money shot. Looks like something straight out of Lord of the Rings. Something to be proud of for sure. Great job.
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She sure turned out sweet. I love the skins. Great job on it boardhawk ;D
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Nice work sir-boards-alot
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Excellent:) perfect all the way around
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Sweet bow Chris. 8)
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cool bow, love the skins!
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I think I saw this somewhere !!
A good job Chris !!
The pics don't do it any favors for sure !
"Boardhawk" Love it Clint !!!!
and the Atlatl weights on the limbs look cool !
All joking aside you are gona have a hard time doing a better one than this , but hope you can prove me wrong soon !
Guy
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Let's see, what hasn't been said...
Nice beard! ;)
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very nice brother.Stevie likey.
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What an incredible creation.... It's like it has life, like observing a wild and dangerous animal... Art and function side by side at their highest level....!!
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Yup, it's official, I hate blackhawk >:(. (Only cuz he makes my best bows look like crap. :D )
Hawk i don't even know what to really say cept i'm in love.
That low string angle makes her look like she could go another 4" or so! Em's some crazy bends and beautiful woodwork bro.
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Looks very cool.............I like the numbers ya ended up with. 62" ntn...47@27" ... I'm trying to shoot for 45# or a hair less on my bows. 50# getting to much for this ole' Goat.... :( Legal hunting weight here is only 40# anyway.
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Thanks a bunch everybody for commenting :D its appreciated more than you all know...I put a lot of time and effort into this one,and plan to make another almost the same...and I got a slightly different version in the works already waiting to be glued tomorrow
Lol Jordan...nice one ;D
Hate me all ya want Kevin ;) ..and I have to admit I'm almost an inch and a half shy of full draw in that pic due to the funny drawing position to achieve those shots...but yeah if ya look close enough the string still is barely contacting the curves even at that far..it comes off right before/at full draw...can you say smooooooooth.... 8)
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That's sweet Chris love the curly maple in it you ever use any Birdseye? You live that close to the mountains?
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I just saw this, that is smokin' hot man, sweet bow, bub
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Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang. That's Awesome.....
Love it. you raised the bar with that one for sure....
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Big ole' curves on that one Blackhawk, I like that. Gotta be smooth and fast with that design and the wood combos and snake look good on her. Back in my fg bow days my favorite was boo maple boo fg with a reverse handle cocobola riser that shot really smooth, fast and accurate and took a few deer for me. I imagine this one of yours shoots just as well buddy. Nice work.
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Don't you owe me one, Blackhawk? Just an FYI, I'll take this bow as partial payment. O:)
Its awesome
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That is one fine piece of arts man! Well done I love when you post your latest projects, they never disappoint. Keep um coming >:D
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Man I Love that Bow...
But what I really want to know is...
Why did you carve a Clock Face on that unsuspecting Rock? ;D
-gus
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Hawk you sure make some fine bows!! I'm putting that one in my all time favorites, maybe when I grow up I'll try to make one similar.
I do have a question regerding the reverse handle. Does it increase the performance of the bow or is it more for just looks?
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Nice one there boardhawk. ( I sure like that name ) >:D
Those full draw shots are a thing of beauty man. Great job even if that reflex is glued in. O:)
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Interesting one. :)
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NICE lookin' Bow Chris ! How'd You get Bullwinkle to pose in the one picture O:) ??????????????? Bob
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Drooling all over the keyboard here...dammit a warningtext should be issued when you post things like that!
Seriously sexy bow and those ballpython skins really makes it pop
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thanks again to everybody for the responses :D :D
Dan ive never used birdseye in any of my bows,but if I run into any ill be sure to use it...and those aren't mountains...just another river gorge,and pa is one big rolling hills,and there aint any "mountains" in pa :P :laugh:
you imagine correct greg ;) ;D
I do owe ya one steve.....BUT NOT this one :P ;D
Gus that's a peace sign some tripped out hippy chiseled into the rock many moons ago ;D ;D
ok dave...you make cookie cutters too,and lets not forget the ones you've made with effingglass ;D ;D
easy bob..i stood real still :laugh:
but isn't the surprise soooo much more fun dbb.....I love it when I open a new bow thread and my jaw drops n drool falls out ;D
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That is absolutely beautiful!! Love the contrasting woods.
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Beautiful bow Chris in every way.Well thought out piece of work.Good name The Longhorn.....LOL.Looks like our cripples have avoided the rack of shame.I agree the pics on my bow don't do it justice either.
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Wow what a beauty! Awesome bow Chris!
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thats a beauty. well done. and great pics too
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gorgeous!!!!!!
exceptional!!!!!
super nice!
...................... I wanna shoot it!
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wow
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Thanks guys ;)
Yeah Ed ...they survived....time to make another ;)
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The laminations did'nt quite do what sinew will do for reflex though did it.
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That's opening a can of worms Ed...if ya wanna go there I will >:D
Most anything I say here is prob more speculation than cold hard facts...BUT...I think im achieving the same results as a sinew backed bow as far as retained reflex goes...I started with a hair over 5" and it sits at 3 1/2" still at rest after well over 300 shots(I shot it again sun eve too)...and that's on par for a sinew backed bow with the same starting setback...now the all wood laminate is going to have to be designed a little differently(but not too much) to attain the same results....I just went a lil longer is all...I think glue lines help set reduction,and if designed right will retain good reflex when done...and there's so many variables that can happen that one could be better than the other and vice versa...I hate speaking from a retained reflex point of view,or performance point of view when there's so many other things to take into consideration,as you know....like the maker of the bow is a big one etc....you know all the rest...now it obviously won't be able to be as short and draw as far,but again accommodations in the design will make up for that...one of my intentions with this was to do exactly what you speak of,and that's attaining sinew like results when done without having to mess with sinew and all its messiness,the wait to dry,and its finicky in rh changes...and to me is a more stable bow...to each his own tho ;)
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Very nice. Excellent workmanship
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Yes as far as set loss while tillering it is comparable to a degree and not.I got one here that started out with 8" and retained 6".That's tillering it to 29.5" too.Stable as a pound of gold.I'm up for the debate and will go there too.As far as stableness goes I store them right and they don't fluctuate that much for me unless you think 3 or 4 pounds is a lot and that's over a whole year.That's being totally honest.
I'm a farmer and don't mind my hands getting dirty as far as sinewing bows.It's an adventure to me and fun.Pros and cons each to their own and it's just a personal point of view.You have a wonderful bow they are a blast to shoot.You have fun your way and Ill have fun my way.
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Awesome bow dude..
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Thanks Marc ;)
Hey Ed...that's NO fair >:( :laugh: ;D ....now your talking a bow with more starting reflex and a horn belly.....do I think all wood lam bows can achieve that kind of results? Nope...not without grossly over designing it to the point of negating the positive effects it would create....we both know even a thin multiple all wood lam bow is not going to take that kind of stress because the wood won't stretch and compress that far....on average and in general when it comes to bows(selfbows or all wood lam bows)with more than 5-6" of starting reflex I think sinew at the very least is needed....that's what I've found out in my own experiences..anything more and it just crushes the wood too much and creating unhealthy non bend resistant wet noodle spongy limbed wood...lol...now you can try and make an all wood lam bow with lots of horn bow like setback,and have it "survive"...but your more than likely not going to get the same results set wise......
Aaaaaaaaand....your rebuttle? ;D
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Thanks ole fart ole buddy o mine :D
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Fair.....LOL.It's all natural bud.I was talking of amount of set taken whereever it starts at.Just replying to your previous statement that you were trying for sinew like results.Which is sorta true but not really.The sinew is the issue here and does more work than what you realize even with horn on the belly.
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Missed this one,man that is a beauty,love it.Nice job. :)
Pappy
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Boy your a real craftsman b/h!loads of patiences required on that one,stunning!
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Wow, Chris, you hit that one out of the park!!!! Beautiful man, just beautiful! I love the pics of the family!
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I think I seen Pappy with the 'bow in the head horns' pose, long ago when he did a recreation of a Ryano recurve.
Nice work on this one Chris, I been contemplating putting some big ole curves into a plum stave... hmmm, you might have pushed me over the edge.
Gabe
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Thanks a bunch compadres .. :)
Your right Gabe...the twin oaks boys did bend up a few blanks,but I don't think they worked out for them...I know one blank is still up in the rafters in the shop..lol :laugh: it was still up there last may at the classic ::) I'd love to see a big ole plum curve from ya ;) if ya got the stave for it I say go for it ;)
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What is the brace height on this one? ??? :-\
more or less than normal ? ??? :-\
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Man don't get any better than that. The skins are awesome.
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Nice job. Maybe someday I can make something half as good as that. Nice touch with the photos in the mountains.
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Mad max brace on it is 5 1/2"...
Thanks Bob...I'm sure I'll pull it out for ya to see next time we hang out
Thanks Ryan..you'll get there...just takes a lot of practice n bows made ;)
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Hard to top any of that. The bow is a beauty, love the pics, the mountains and the family shot. Special.
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Sweet bow, Chris. Let's see...1st-selfbows, then-board bows, then-lam bows...aren't you headed down the road to FG?? ??? ;D
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Thanks slim...
Thanks Kenny....ya never know ::) ...but I doubt it ;)
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Now ain't that fancy :o. And pretty too! Josh
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I know I gave Boardhawk a bad time on this one , and the pics are not helping him any
But this young man has really put a ton into this bow !
There should be a comment from everyone on this forum by know !
If you get the opportunity to see this bow in person you will see the depth of skill that has gone into this bow !
Folks this young man is truly a Bowyer !
An inspiration to us all !!
Glad to call him a friend !!
Thanks for everything Chris !!
Guy
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Ok Chris... what I want to see now is a bad boy like that with working curves >:D >:D I've tried to make self bows with really working curves before... and I got to admit, I've never pulled it off to my satisfaction. I bet you could do it with a lam though...
Great work on this bow... I've checked it out more than once.
Gabe
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Geez guy..that's a huge compliment. Thanks a bunch buddy!!!! Way to humble me...OR make my head even bigger :laugh:
Thank Josh buddy ole pal :)
Ahhh yes Gabe.....the ole Wilcox duoflex working curves..yes a lam would make it easier as long as everything was perfectly in plane from tip to tip,and i dont just mean a straight chalkline straight..i mean the belly n bsck would have to be free of any subtle twist one way or another,and perfectly straight string tracking to of course...that would help it want to fight the string coming off....I remember Marc tried one a few years ago or so and had some issues with it to where he had to chop off some of the tips to gain stability...I think its doable,but not easy at all....I did think about that when making this one...and I will try one or two someday and see if I can get it to work ...
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Yup... its a bit of a challeneg to say the least.
page two of this post shows a profile of a working recurve that that Ryano built. This profile is pretty close to what you've done here... except the curves are unfolding a bit. Doesn't show full draw though. I always wonder how well those working curves held up to 1000 shots (e.g. did they start to take a bunch of set?)
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,1930.15.html
Gabe
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Yup those are the ones they did....notice how the story never ended? It didn't turn out so well,and like I said one of the blanks is still up in there rafters above there heads in those pics...lol :laugh: and Ryan did post a photo of one of his at full draw on that thread...wish Ryan would come back around,he's only an hour forty mins north of me,but he's got some other priorities to deal with right now...I always liked Ryan's bows...he was working on one a lil bit a few years ago up at his shoot in presque isle...those monster curves of his are awesome
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Boardhawk
If you start getting all swell headed I will slap it right off for you !! >:D :laugh:
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Blackhawk, ole buddy, you went and did it this time. Absolutely gorgeous man. You have my vote!
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Awesome bow. Masterpiece. Like it a lot. Nice color in the snakeskin. :-)
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Man that is nice.
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Stunning piece of work there Chris! Beautiful bow!
I have a question regarding the skin. Did the scales come off for you like NA snakes do? Mine lost few, even with steel wooling backwards most stayed intact as part of the skin. I went ahead and started finishing it...
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Beautiful bow in all aspects,very nice job and love the picture settings. :)
Pappy
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That is a nice bow!! How did I not see this before? You are setting the bar up a few more notches for sure. Great work man. :)
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Thanks Hank... good to hear from ya..its been awhile ;)
Thanks bowman and swamp yeti :)
Yeah joe...the scales really don't come off of these bad boys,and it does offer some protection to the back due to its thickness and strength...most of the pythons n boa skins I've seen or had are usually always thicker than rawhide...if they make shoes,purses,and other accessories out of them then you know its a strong material against ripping and abrasion...
Thanks pappy ..pics taken in good ole sweet home pennsyltucky :). and did ya know when West Virginia split from Virginia pennsyltucky was one of the name considerations for the state? And the other one was westylvania....lol...sorry for the lil bit of history trivia..lol :laugh:
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Thanks Greg...ya must've taken a loooooooooong nap 8)
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When I awoke, my beard was grown out ::)
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Incredible bow. Pennsyltucky looks like a pretty place too.
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When I awoke, my beard was grown out ::)
LMELAO!!!!
I resemble that remark.
:)
-gus
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li vote for no.1 really good job.
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OK, I'm late to the party but.... OOOHH YEAAHH!! Very nice. Hope I can get a profile like that someday. Thanks for the great pics. Marco D.
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That's really "some bow." Love those curves and the colors. Great pics of the bow and your family. Very nice thread.
Cipriano