Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Capt on September 08, 2013, 02:32:20 pm
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Ok Here it is...
Re-tillered and tapered limbs
New Handle Design
Limb Wraps
I'll be shortening the tips when i get some material for knock backings
Feedback greatly appreciated .... ;)
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Drawing pics
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Any particular reason you have such massive tips? Refining the tips will make your bow better.
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Any particular reason you have such massive tips? Refining the tips will your bow better.
I was planning to get some material to build a knock backing... but i may just forget about it and chop them down?
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Looks to me like you've got 3-4" of tip past your string nock grooves. 1" is plenty and this would allow you to lose a bunch of useless weight on the tips.
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Nice job, but it looks like the outer 3rd. of the limbs aint doing much, my 2 cents worth.
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Nice job, but it looks like the outer 3rd. of the limbs aint doing much, my 2 cents worth.
i worked alot on the outer limbs and they are bending just got too thin for my liking so i stopped... Also i think the 3" of tip past the nocks makes it look real straight at the outer limb...
Kind of an optical illusion.... I definitely need to chop off those tips
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Nice job, but it looks like the outer 3rd. of the limbs aint doing much, my 2 cents worth.
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I think the outer third of the limb will look a lot better without the outer third past the nocks. I hardly ever have more then a half inch past the nocks, it's just for looks.
Let's see some more full draw with the first model, she had better archery form. :D]
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For a first bow there's more things right about that bow then wrong.
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Nice job, but it looks like the outer 3rd. of the limbs aint doing much, my 2 cents worth.
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I think the outer third of the limb will look a lot better without the outer third past the nocks. I hardly ever have more then a half inch past the nocks, it's just for looks.
Let's see some more full draw with the first model, she had better archery form. :D]
Haa, I wanted her to model for all the shots but she couldn't comfortably make it to full draw...... ;D
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For a first bow there's more things right about that bow then wrong.
Thanks Steve... It was a hard wood to work...literally hard as nails....
The next one is going to be Osage..... Im just waiting on a stave shipment i ordered from Iowa to arrive here in Mexico..
Im counting this one as a practice bow... ???
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Was there a bow in the second pic I didn't notice one. >:D
Grady
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Cut Down and re-finished those tips..... Thanks Guys for the advice!!! >:D
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Was there a bow in the second pic I didn't notice one. >:D
Grady
;D Really that's a pretty nice bow IMO. I think the longer tips (which are now cut down and look great :) ) were making it look like the tiller was more uneven than it was to me in your last post maybe. Good job. I mean it still might be a little stiff in the outer limbs a bit, but I think it's not too shabby at all, :).
EDIT: And you know, that's not to say a little stiffness in the outer limbs is really a bad thing all the time, stiffness in the outer limbs will reduce stack in the last couple inches of draw, and contribute to leverage which will contribute to a smoother draw. Although you don't want a bow working in one spot, there is a benefit to having slightly stiffer outer limbs. But of course if you go too far, like with a mollegabet, than you will have to compensate in the inner limbs to not get a crap load of set, so mollegabets have wider inner limbs (or at least should most of the time in my opinion). So there's a bunch of crap for you to chew on while you whip out your second bow! >:D
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Was there a bow in the second pic I didn't notice one. >:D
Grady
;D Really that's a pretty nice bow IMO. I think the longer tips (which are now cut down and look great :) ) were making it look like the tiller was more uneven than it was to me in your last post maybe. Good job. I mean it still might be a little stiff in the outer limbs a bit, but I think it's not too shabby at all, :).
EDIT: And you know, that's not to say a little stiffness in the outer limbs is really a bad thing all the time, stiffness in the outer limbs will reduce stack in the last couple inches of draw, and contribute to leverage which will contribute to a smoother draw. Although you don't want a bow working in one spot, there is a benefit to having slightly stiffer outer limbs. But of course if you go too far, like with a mollegabet, than you will have to compensate in the inner limbs to not get a crap load of set, so mollegabets have wider inner limbs (or at least should most of the time in my opinion). So there's a bunch of crap for you to chew on while you whip out your second bow! >:D
Thanks so much for the feedback...., Ill be taking all this good stuff on with me to the next build..... Can't wait for my Osage to show up !!! ;D
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Shoots nice with refinished tips but not sure if there's more twang in the string? Or is that more to do with my release maybe?
Doesn't feel to be suffering any hand shock?
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Hey... those tips look way better! Good job. If your bow's a bit twangy, try increasing your brace height a bit, or shoot heavier arrows. It'll reduce the hand shock, too.
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BTW it turned out 58" nock to nock.. ???
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Can you post a full draw pic with the refined tips?
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Come on that's a damn fine bow awesome job on it
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Can you post a full draw pic with the refined tips?
I'm pulling a little high on the string, i rushed out as it was getting dark and was getting eaten by mosquitos...
I can try for a better angle shot tomorrow... but it gives you an idea?
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Good for you. If that's really your first then you're a gutsy guy with some real skill. I'm proud of you. Keep going with your approach. Live and learn. You are well on your way to a lot of fun.
Are you on the mainland or baja?
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Well played. Nice re-work.
Gabe
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Good for you. If that's really your first then you're a gutsy guy with some real skill. I'm proud of you. Keep going with your approach. Live and learn. You are well on your way to a lot of fun.
Are you on the mainland or baja?
Thanks for the praise.. It was a testing project but thoroughly enjoyable..
To answer your question I'm on the Baja..
I'll take it as a compliment that you would doubt my word and think it could not have been my first bow...... Honestly tho I swear it is my first..... Just a practice run.. Can't wait to get my some Osage.. >:D
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Ok, a little update...
Here are the pics i promised after doing a little more re-work. theres a profile of the bow showing the set that it took probably from my greenhorn tillering and the ridiculous amount of humidity we have down here right now from it being hurricane season and all.
Then theres the full Draw pic i promised in better light.. Not happy with my form.. i think i did better at night with the mosquitos and all.. ???
Bests again to all and thanks for all the pointers...
BTW its shooting real nice... i blew a blunt wooden tip home made arrow right into a coconut at about 40 feet, i'm sure a broadhead would have blasted right through. ;)
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The picture could be effecting this but... It looks like you are not holding the string in the middle of the bow e.g. the upper portion of the string is "shorter" and the lower portion is "longer." You want to be careful to pull the string in the same location that you pulled it while you tillered the bow, so as not to cuase uneven stress on the limbs, and increase set.
Again, great work on your first bow. I'm looking foward to seeing more of your work.
Gabe
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Congrats on you first bow. Itlooks good man! That some cool looking wood there to. Very dark. I like it. Nice rework on thejps as well.
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really nice job on your first bow, make the next bow a little lighter, like for your friend ::) :laugh:
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really nice job on your first bow, make the next bow a little lighter, like for your friend ::) :laugh:
I'm pretty sure one of us could whip up a bow with a draw weight she could handle REAL QUICK! Heck I have a couple on hand, - - - what's your mailing address? :o >:D
Oh, ...and uh, nice job on the Tzalam! It's really an excellent first bow to be sure!
OneBow
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Great job Capt for a first bow- especially the low amount of set for a 58" ntn bow with a rigid handle and stiff outer limbs.
If your next bow is another pyramid, considering first making one of Eric Krewson's tillering gizmos - http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047 (http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=001047) to help with tillering.
c.d.
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really nice job on your first bow, make the next bow a little lighter, like for your friend ::) :laugh:
I'm pretty sure one of us could whip up a bow with a draw weight she could handle REAL QUICK! Heck I have a couple on hand, - - - what's your mailing address? :o >:D
Oh, ...and uh, nice job on the Tzalam! It's really an excellent first bow to be sure!
OneBow
She says sure she would love a bow, if anyone has the time and material and want to donate?
We are thinking of joining a local hunting club where they have regular shootouts.
If that was a serious comment that is? We would be able to make a thread special for the bow in question?
;D
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The picture could be effecting this but... It looks like you are not holding the string in the middle of the bow e.g. the upper portion of the string is "shorter" and the lower portion is "longer." You want to be careful to pull the string in the same location that you pulled it while you tillered the bow, so as not to cuase uneven stress on the limbs, and increase set.
Again, great work on your first bow. I'm looking foward to seeing more of your work.
Gabe
If you hold the string in the middle you shoot a hole through your hand! :) :)
The upper part of the string is always shorter than the lower - hence more leverage on the lower limb - hence people leaving bows with a little positive tiller.
Capt - to find the nocking point take a line square from the top of your grip (arrowpass) back to the string and then go up an 1/8th of an inch.
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You shoot a hole in your hand if you point an arrow at your hand, don't matter where you hold the string.
Of course the nocking point is not in the middle of the bow, I was trying to use simple language to to explain that the string length above and below his hand hold looked "unusually" different.
You can also leave one limb longer to avoid the need for a positive tiller.
Gabe
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My B-50 Just showed up in the post so i Flemmish twisted me up a new bowstring and served it up with some dacron and a nice little nock stop....
I think i can actually call it finished now!!
Just in time as my Osage is due to arrive tomorrow morning... Shoots well too... right on the mark !!
Onto Bow number 2 :D
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Looks great now, nice job on the first! Can't wait to see more of your work, it's gonna be better and better lol!
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Looks great now, nice job on the first! Can't wait to see more of your work, it's gonna be better and better lol!
Thanks Zion, it shouldn't be long I hope to make a start on my Osage tomorrow so long as the post office have my package that's supposed to be ready to pick up. You never know in Mexico?
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Not one mention of starting a "Babes with Bows" thread :o, ok shoot me , bow looks good like the tips very much. 8)
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That's a tremendous first bow. I'm a fan of the scenery as well. Very cool.
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Three sets of 6....... at 60 feet..... it shoots smother by the set... must be getting shot in? ;D