Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: 4dog on September 30, 2013, 12:11:07 pm
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Pretty sure this is buckthorn or (bluewood),, anyway i want to be sure , if anyone can just look at this grain photo and gi e a yes or no ,, that would be awesome , thanks fellas!
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One more!
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no clue lol
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Lol... figured You wouldnt...lol
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Well I can atleast say it looks to be some type of wood 8)
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Both very helpful replies lol >:(
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Got any leaves? ...bark? ...maybe seeds or such? Those are more handy to ID a wood species than the grain of the wood itself most times.
...I do not know about 'bluewood', but this does not quite look like the few examples of Buckthorn I've seen. :-\
OneBow
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Looks very buckthorny to me.
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Could u be more vague please ::) ... leaf pics? Buds? Bark? Anything more than a couple dark poor quality photos of the wood grain ???
If your referring to rhamnus cathartica I'd say no...it looks all white to me...and European buckthorn(rhamnus cathartica) has a orangish/yellowish-pinkish hued heartwood..
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I knew Pearlie would know,, little stiff dark green laves ,, it has thorns where the leaves are, and black dark blue berries right now in texas.
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Creamy sapwood and fleshy colored heartwood? Poor mans yew.
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This is from a sapling so any special looking characteristics might not show up yet,, very fibrous looking,, looks different from other buckthorn ive seen ,, but the grain looks the same
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Not TRYING to be vague lol
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Is this it???
OneBow
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What species are you referring too..I believe there's a few species trees with a common tongue name of "buckthorn"...just like "ironwood" lots of species of trees have the nickname of iron wood...buckthorn has a few as well....did it have any heartwood at all? I'll look when I get home,but I think there is another species down in Texas that folks call "buckthorn",but it isn't rhamnus cathartica ,which is an invasive species from europe....go find some of the same thing you cut and take pics of the leaves n fruits n bark and post em...until then its all just guesses and no one here on this forum will be able to identify it with 100% confirmation...words are not enough IMHO
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No,, im just gonna call it buckthorn cause the grain looks fibrous like buckthorn ,,it just doesnt have the same "color"scheme from a stave bow,,im pretty sure it is buckthorn,,just a sapling 6" at its widest,so the two tone look isnt there,,thats whats throwing me.
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Will take pics in a bit..thanks for now!
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Common buckthorn as I understand will be the first in the spring to have leaves and typically is the last tree to still have leaves in the fall, this is one of the reasons that buckthorn is on the invasive and noxious weeds list. As for the wood it has a yellowish sapwood and a rich orange heartwood. It looks like you are showing the belly side of the bow in the handle picture, if it was buckthorn I would expect it to be orange.
Below is a picture of my most recent buckthorn bow which I identified and cut down last fall. Note this bow came from a tree with approx a 3-4" diameter. If I am mistaken please help correct me. Thanks,
(http://i334.photobucket.com/albums/m426/bheggeseth/Bows/buckthorn_zps18dd4577.jpg)
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Well heck!!! Doesnt quite look like that!!! Lol still gonna be a bow for good or ill...lol
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Our Buckthorn here in south Texas is in the Rhamnaceae family, but is different from the European Buckthorn. It is as described above Condalia Hookeri. It's a small little scrub for the most part.
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@SlimBob - Do you know if the stuff makes a bow or not? Is the wood comprable to the European Buckthorn weed they have further north?
OneBow
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Drying roughed out stave now,, berry pic
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I know bad berry pic...leaf pic
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Can yall work with that..or do i need bark now too ..lol....sheeesh! :P
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Sure does look like Bluewood! ...which means, not true Buckthorn.
Sure hope it makes a great bow for you though!
OneBow
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Well everything ive read says in my area people call em the same thing..this is why my behind is sooo utterly confused...lol...also why im assssssskin.
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Onebowonder, don't know the answer to that. Its all to small and twisted, at least that I've seen. Grows in the really arid dry soils with little other vegetation around outside of cactus, creosote, cenizo etc.. Interesting question, but its not European Buckthorn Rhamnus Cathartica.
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Alright after more research it IS a TYPE of buckthorn and actually is in the same family,, so for the rest of the build will be dealt with as if it is buckthorn...the wood is actually a very nice white with cool lookin grain,, looks like the yellow stuff yall are used to seeing except its white.
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Forgot i asked this question a little while ago..lol ..sucks to age..Slimbob answered it ..Condalia Hookeri..a TYPE of buckthorn ..thanks to all!! ..im a goober.
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It's definately NOT European Buckthorn, also known as Blackthorn and simply Sloe tree here. I've made a few bows from it and you haven't got a piece there!
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No i knew it wasnt E Buckthorn...i cant find a pic of a bow made from this stuff ,, but ,, i guess i will document and post ,, im sure American Natives have used it ,maybe more people will start using it. 8)
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Looks like chittamwood to me , I have a few staves of it and my first attempt at it blew .
In the TBB IIII they show chittamwood in the same group as buckthorn .
I had trouble ideing the wood also until I took a limb with leaves and seeds to the wildlife department and they told me what it was , almost harder to find a good clean straight peace of it than osage .
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In my area i can find good clean straight stuff ..i livein a very rural area though ..lots of it in the woodlines.
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In my area i can find good clean straight stuff ..i livein a very rural area though ..lots of it in the woodlines.
Depending upon how that bow of yours turns out, ... You may be sitting on a gold mine!
OneBow
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I like gold,, and im just waiting for the first stave to dry .roughed out already.
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I think I'm with poggins. It does look like Chittamwood. I've never made a bow from it, but I have cut a bunch of it. Full of sap (it's also known as gumwood) that the natives used for gum. Very heavy until it dries. If left out in the weather for any time at all it turns to sawdust quickly due to rapid decay and bugs. If it's dried properly it might behave differently. Not saying that's what you got for sure, but it's possible.
Gum Bumelia
Sideroxylon Langinosum