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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Parnell on September 30, 2013, 08:30:57 pm

Title: Iroquois/Mohawk design.
Post by: Parnell on September 30, 2013, 08:30:57 pm
I've had this bow shooting since the spring but it just seemed to be a little short on power at 68" long and 45# give or take, being that it's hickory.  So, I piked it 5 inches.  Now I've got about 55# at 27" and the bow casts an arrow much better.  I really like the way the scalloped/vertebrae looking back looks at night with shadows. 

Pappy had graciously given me the stave and Eddie drove it down for me.  So thank you fellas. 

Figured it's time to post it up as it is well shot in, at this point!
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Post by: half eye on September 30, 2013, 08:36:10 pm
Ya KNOW that I like it 8) nice lookin bow right there. ........even though it's Iroquoian >:D very nicely done sir.
rich
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Post by: BOWMAN53 on September 30, 2013, 08:36:34 pm
coooooool
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Post by: lostarrow on September 30, 2013, 08:48:08 pm
 8) I don't recall seeing one that the scallops were offset. Looks wicked!
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Post by: Parnell on September 30, 2013, 09:03:26 pm
I wanted to get one unbraced so you can better see the profile.

Thanks guys!
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Post by: Badly Bent on September 30, 2013, 09:19:32 pm
Way Cool 8)    I love the style on that one and you did a great job on it too, well done Parnell.
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Post by: H Rhodes on September 30, 2013, 09:55:11 pm
Awesome bow.  Really nice work. 
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Post by: Hrothgar on September 30, 2013, 09:57:55 pm
Very nice, great design.
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Post by: Peacebow_Coos on September 30, 2013, 09:58:26 pm
That's a rad bow, I really like the profile and those scallops are legit! 
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Post by: BowEd on September 30, 2013, 10:47:29 pm
I like that.Very nice bow.
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Post by: Zion on September 30, 2013, 11:03:42 pm
Sweet lookin bow, that back looks so cool!
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Post by: wildman on September 30, 2013, 11:26:24 pm
Very nice take on a woodland bow.
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Post by: 4dog on September 30, 2013, 11:29:43 pm
Niice job on that one..like the scalloped style
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Post by: SLIMBOB on September 30, 2013, 11:48:18 pm
Very cool!
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Post by: JonW on October 01, 2013, 02:48:52 am
Man I am DIGGIN that bow! NA bows are the coolest. ( I may be biased) :D
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Post by: dwardo on October 01, 2013, 06:09:14 am
Really stands out from the rest that  8) Great profiles all of them.

How do the scallops affect tiller? Also how do you put them in, carved or sanded out?
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Post by: TimPotter on October 01, 2013, 08:29:48 am
Well done!
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Post by: Parnell on October 01, 2013, 10:55:42 am
Thanks for the nice comments.

Dwardo, I'd argue that hickory likes the scallops on both sides because it essentially created a trapezoidal, "trapped", cross-section.  That along with a healthy amount of heat treatment, I think maximizes the potential of hickory.  I don't know if people treated bows this way for that reason in historic times, likely the scallops were more decorative or ceremonial, I'd guess.  But this bow has been shot hundreds of times over 5-6 months and the wood has responded well.

I did sand in the scallops. :)
Title: Re: Iroquois/Mohawk design.
Post by: Onebowonder on October 01, 2013, 10:58:15 am

(I posted this while the above post was being typed.  sorry it sounds redundant.)
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I've not seen scallops done that way before, ...but I like it very much!

It seems this would accomplish much the same thing as 'trapping' the back of a bow wouldn't it?  It should be particularly effective in tension strong wood species.  (...like the hickory this one is made out of!)


OneBow
Title: Re: Iroquois/Mohawk design.
Post by: IdahoMatt on October 01, 2013, 11:03:23 am
Man that's a sweet bow.  Great idea to make the scallops off set like that that, gives a super cool look
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Post by: Jodocus on October 01, 2013, 11:10:18 am
Wow, that's great!  :o

I'll remeber this one for a while, real looker.
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on October 01, 2013, 12:16:54 pm
Parnell, that is one nicely made bow.  I will be coming back to this one.  Sweet bend. 
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on October 01, 2013, 03:23:45 pm
Nice work Mr. Parnell!
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Post by: dbb on October 01, 2013, 03:28:40 pm
Really cool look on that!
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Post by: Gus on October 01, 2013, 05:49:15 pm
Good Grief Sir!!!

That Bow Really Srtikes a Chord in me!

Got it Bookmarked...  :)

-gus

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Post by: Josh B on October 02, 2013, 12:42:09 pm
My oh my!  That is a thing of beauty Sir!  I think I just drooled in my beard a little.  Wow!  Josh
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Post by: ohma2 on October 02, 2013, 01:33:23 pm
you did that hickory proud.
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Post by: burn em up chuck on October 02, 2013, 09:46:19 pm
   very very nice, nice to here from you. profile looks great.

                                                chuck
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Post by: loefflerchuck on October 03, 2013, 12:34:23 am
Love it!
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Post by: swamp yeti on October 03, 2013, 06:59:02 am
Very nice.
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Post by: blackhawk on October 03, 2013, 07:47:56 am
Cool Steve..I have yet to make me a scalloped bow...I've seen some of badly bents in person and there beauties ;) its on my list somewhere to make one  ::)
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Post by: Bone pile on October 03, 2013, 08:37:51 am
I've seen this bow ,you did a great job wit it
Roger
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Post by: mullet on October 03, 2013, 04:24:06 pm
Now you have a shooter, Steve. It was kind of a dog when I saw it. Good job on that one, Buddy.
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Post by: Bowman on October 03, 2013, 06:18:50 pm
This bow is  very cool. Scalloped bows from the Iroquois nations are fantastic artwork. Like it a lot. :-)
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Post by: missilemaster on October 03, 2013, 08:54:28 pm
Yea, I saw that bow at the classic. Thanks for FINALLY posting it! ;)
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Post by: Parnell on October 03, 2013, 09:14:56 pm
Really do appreciate the comments, everyone.  Yup Eddie, it shoots like a different bow. 

I've been wondering where you've been Cody!  I'm looking forward to playing around with some of that buckthorn in a few more months!

Thanks guys.
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Post by: hammertime on October 03, 2013, 09:22:30 pm
Awesome bow,,that grip looks nicely done-Hammertime
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Post by: juniper junkie on October 03, 2013, 11:24:58 pm
nicely done Steve, I really like the scallops, but I wonder what the purpose of them was. I wouldnt think that the time invested to make them would really benefit the bows performance, maybe just to make it look meaner. is the yew bow still shooting? great job on this one.
Title: Re: Iroquois/Mohawk design.
Post by: Parnell on October 04, 2013, 10:04:43 am
Heya Dave.  Earlier on the thread I gave my 2 cents.  I'd figure ornamental...but this pattern on both sides does help to create the trapped back which is the way to go for hickory.

Yup, the Yew bow is still shooting but I did bring it down in weight some.  As I've mellowed out I've found 50-55# is definitely my deal.  That bow is still probably up just above 60#!
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Post by: okiecountryboy on October 04, 2013, 11:11:33 am
Hey Pard
Well done 8) . I just looked at the pics and a few posts, didn't need to read more.
How the hell do you keep that kind of scallop from raising splinters?!?
I am impressed to say the least.
I've seen Rich do a lot of work similar to this, and am always in awe as to how long a bow with such scallops could last.
Please elaborate.

Again, Beautiful craftsmanship!!

Thanks in advance.

Ron
Title: Re: Iroquois/Mohawk design.
Post by: Parnell on October 04, 2013, 01:18:36 pm
Hello Ron,

It's really not something to over-think.  This is a high quality hickory stave that came from Pappy's place in TN.  Hickory can handle these scallops without much thought.  I sanded in the scallops...I have a drum sander.  I went back and sanded each by hand and paid some time to just smooth out edges and make sure they were even. 

I'm sure I'll make more of this type of bow down the way.  I've got two more super staves of hickory curing now.  Done right, hickory makes a great bow...even here in S. Florida where humidity reigns supreme.  Keep the moisture content low when tillering the bow, give it the right design, toast the heck out of the belly, seal it well and I like to keep it in the a/c during summer.  It is amazing though how hickory changes with our dry season.  A hickory bow will pick up 5-10# down here in winter.

Osage, however, is still better wood for the southeast!  Just can't make scallops. ;D
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Post by: okiecountryboy on October 05, 2013, 09:09:09 pm
Hello Ron,

It's really not something to over-think.  This is a high quality hickory stave that came from Pappy's place in TN.  Hickory can handle these scallops without much thought.  I sanded in the scallops...I have a drum sander.  I went back and sanded each by hand and paid some time to just smooth out edges and make sure they were even. 

I'm sure I'll make more of this type of bow down the way.  I've got two more super staves of hickory curing now.  Done right, hickory makes a great bow...even here in S. Florida where humidity reigns supreme.  Keep the moisture content low when tillering the bow, give it the right design, toast the heck out of the belly, seal it well and I like to keep it in the a/c during summer.  It is amazing though how hickory changes with our dry season.  A hickory bow will pick up 5-10# down here in winter.

Osage, however, is still better wood for the southeast!  Just can't make scallops. ;D

Thanks
Ron
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Post by: Tower on October 20, 2013, 02:06:09 am
Unique, with great craftsmanship. 
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Post by: Marc St Louis on October 20, 2013, 09:12:43 am
Nicely done.  The museum piece had the nocks set way down on the tips with a fiber wrap above, I think yours make more sense
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Post by: Sidewinder on October 22, 2013, 08:19:40 pm
Yeah really like it. The braced and full draw are great and the scallops are just too cool. Very well done indeed.    Danny
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Post by: Arrowind on October 22, 2013, 10:55:31 pm
Awesome! 
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Post by: autologus on October 23, 2013, 09:41:32 am
That is one fine bow, I love the handle wrap, what did you use for it?

Grady