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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 02:02:26 am

Title: Coolest Gift Ever
Post by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 02:02:26 am
Today my PhD advisor gave me this Hadza bow, along with three arrows. 

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/IMG_1034_zps10d0efdc.jpg)

The bow has a pretty hefty draw weight, though I haven't had a chance to measure it yet, it gets very stiff very quickly.  The string is twisted giraffe tendon.  The tufts of hair come from a warthog.  This bow was made by a man who unfortunately was killed by poachers last year.

The arrows are fletched with either vulture feathers or guinea fowl feathers in the traditional hadza fletching style, except for the bird arrow (the one with a simple sharp wood point), which is fletched with whole guinea fowl wing weathers in a style which is growing more popular, especially for small game arrows.  It's hard to see here, and I'll get a better picture later, but the vulture fletched ones use a 5 feather fletch, which I've never seen before.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/IMG_1035_zps9f7c45b0.jpg)

The points are of three major types, and I have one of each here.  The plain wooden one is used for shooting birds and dikdiks, and is just resharpened as needed.  So, they start long and tend to get shorter over time.  This one was snagged by my advisor before it could be used too much.  The one with the giant point (middle arrow) is called a "kasama" and it is used for hunting small-medium sized game, basically anything up to a gazelle in size.  The barbed point is a poisoned arrow (though the glob of poison has been lost).  It also has blood staining the shaft, from a zebra, I think he said.  The barbed point is made by cold-forging a 6 inch nail into two separate barbed points.  It's pretty awesome.

(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/IMG_1036_zpsdd987826.jpg)
Title: Re: Coolest Gift Ever
Post by: steve b. on November 03, 2013, 02:48:27 am
Really nice!
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Post by: burchett.donald on November 03, 2013, 05:03:34 am
Very interesting...
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Post by: Jodocus on November 03, 2013, 05:12:10 am
Cool stuff, the hair on the bow looks fantastic!
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Post by: BowSlayer on November 03, 2013, 05:15:20 am
love the idea of girraffe tendons. you could probably have a bunch  of sinew running the whole length of a bow!
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Post by: J05H on November 03, 2013, 06:17:53 am
Very cool!!!
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Post by: blackhawk on November 03, 2013, 08:09:25 am
Cool..love the looks of that stuff  8)
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Post by: Badly Bent on November 03, 2013, 08:54:59 am
Now that is primitive!     Very nice collection of gear, real treasures and a cool gift for certain.
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Post by: NeolithicMan on November 03, 2013, 09:08:07 am
Absolutely awesome gift to get! I need some better friends I guess! 
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Post by: lostarrow on November 03, 2013, 10:17:50 am
 8)
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Post by: Josh B on November 03, 2013, 10:27:57 am
Really cool stuff!  Josh
Title: Re: Coolest Gift Ever
Post by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 10:53:09 am
He gave it to me specifically to use in experiments shooting carcasses to assess the damage to bones caused by the arrow points.  We want to see if there is anything diagnostic about an arrow hit that differs from other kinds of damage normally visible in the faunal record.  But now I'm loathe to shoot it, as it is at least 2 years old and has never been unstrung and I would hate to break it.  But he tells me not to worry as when we go visit the Hadza over the summer, I'll be able to bring back several bows if I really want and plenty of arrows.  We'll see if I'm able to limit myself to "several"...
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Post by: DuBois on November 03, 2013, 11:20:34 am
Man, that is awesome stuff. If you can't limit yourself to several and you have too many, I will gladly help take some of the burden  ;)
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Post by: Eric Garza on November 03, 2013, 01:10:27 pm
Do you know what wood the bow is made from?
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Post by: seminolewind on November 03, 2013, 01:19:14 pm
Ummm yeah....I'm Jealous that is awesome !
Title: Re: Coolest Gift Ever
Post by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 01:32:02 pm
Do you know what wood the bow is made from?

Well, sorta.  We know that the Hadza have a name for it, but we've never been able to get someone to definitively ID it.  I do know that the arrows are made from a berry bush.  Don't know the scientific name for that one either.  When I go to Tanzania in the summer, I'll take samples of the foliage of the trees they use for their bows and get a botanist to give me a definitive ID.
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Post by: rps3 on November 03, 2013, 07:20:08 pm
Interesting bow and story to go with it.
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Post by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 07:34:52 pm
Just had a talk with my advisor today and he says that he thinks the hair is not warthog, but Greater Kudu.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&docid=JT8crxbSzYXjxM&tbnid=kxRO8D9ujY1uBM:&ved=0CAUQjBwwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2Fe%2Fe4%2FMale_greater_kudu.jpg&ei=tNp2UvvvBPGA2AWIwYCQDw&psig=AFQjCNFmwwMptOTsBJW3FYq7bukpOlO1Sw&ust=1383607348277180
Title: Re: Coolest Gift Ever
Post by: CherokeeKC on November 03, 2013, 08:29:13 pm
That is one heck of a gift!  How old is the bow and arrows?
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Post by: Atlatlista on November 03, 2013, 08:38:54 pm
That is one heck of a gift!  How old is the bow and arrows?

They're only two years old.  The Hadza still live by the bow out in the bush in Tanzania, so they're constantly making these.  They tend to wear out and break over time, as they're a cylindrical self bow, with violated growth rings and all the rest of it.  Also, they're built to be extremely heavy draw - up to 100 pounds in some instances.  So, they do break from time to time, but this is the way the Hadza have been making them for decades (maybe a lot longer than that), and they've stuck with it.
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Post by: mikekeswick on November 04, 2013, 04:23:00 am
Thanks so much for sharing this. I'd love to have your job. Being able to talk to these people would be fantastic. Do you know if they still use persistance hunting or is it all bow and arrow now?
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Post by: Del the cat on November 04, 2013, 06:30:57 am
Thanks so much for sharing this. I'd love to have your job. Being able to talk to these people would be fantastic. Do you know if they still use persistance hunting or is it all bow and arrow now?
+1
Del
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Post by: RyanR on November 04, 2013, 06:31:33 am
That is really cool. Love that decoration on the bow.
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Post by: Parnell on November 04, 2013, 12:16:22 pm
That is absolutely fascinating.  I really like the way the African bow design looks with that round or cylindrical cross section but have wondered what kind of wood they use to taper the ends so thin without them breaking and extreme violation.  But it sounds like you gave the answer. I'll be watching closely for more pictures of your journey there next summer.  I'm fascinated!

Thanks for sharing the post.  Do the Hadza actively use money, that is, do they sell these bows and other things?  Do they have access is some way to shipping?  I can only imagine costs...
I suppose this is part of the African economic dilemna.  Again, very interesting, load us up with pictures next summer!

P.s.  Shame to hear about the maker being killed by poachers.  Curious though, do the people have access to killing giraffes frequently?  Is that sustainable for bowstring material?  I wonder if they have other animal sources they use...

Also, does the bow appear to be crafted from a sapling roughly that diameter or does it look to be split stave?
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Post by: Dan K on November 04, 2013, 01:14:27 pm
Definaty awsome post. Thanks for sharing. Sure wish we'd see more posts like this one!
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Post by: Atlatlista on November 04, 2013, 01:48:44 pm
So I'll try to address all the points in one post.

Persistence hunting - no they use the bow and arrow.  The idea of hunting through persistence running was first put forth by Harvard anthropologist Dan Lieberman.  My professor, Henry Bunn, along with another professor at my university, Travis Pickering, pretty much debunked that hypothesis as the method of hunting in the paleolithic through the use of mortality profile analysis.  Here is the PDF of the paper they wrote in the Journal "Quaternary Research":

http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/paperbot/Bovid%20mortality%20profiles%20in%20paleoecological%20context%20falsify%20hypotheses%20of%20endurance%20running–hunting%20and%20passive%20scavenging%20by%20early%20Pleistocene%20hominins.pdf

The Hadza nearer the roads do use money, but the ones in the bush do not.  These bows are largely obtained through trade - a t-shirt, a pair of sneakers, or some tire sandals, or maybe a bunch of six inch nails which they use to make their arrowheads - that kind of thing.  Other groups trade more directly with Tanzanian currency, like the Maasai for example.

Giraffes are not infrequently killed by the Hadza.  That is the largest of their routine prey animals.  They certainly don't make a giraffe kill every day, but they do kill them frequently enough to use their parts for tool-making.  They also kill zebras pretty frequently, as that is a favorite meal for them.  But they'll kill pretty much anything smaller than a giraffe if it gets in front of their bows - including lions and other carnivores.

The bow is, so far as I know, not made from a sapling per say.  It's more like a medium-sized tree that they cut down to the dimensions they want with ax and knife work.  I'm not positive exactly on tree selection.  I've seen some stuff on youtube, but I haven't had a chance to get out there myself yet.  This summer will be my first one in Tanzania (couldn't be more excited).

I'll definitely post pics and probably videos.  One of my research plans is to bring a 3D archery target to the Hadza and have them shoot it at different ranges so I can assess their accuracy.  I'll definitely get video of that.
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Post by: criveraville on November 04, 2013, 06:07:47 pm
cool!!!
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Post by: Buckeye Guy on November 04, 2013, 09:30:18 pm
WOW !!
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Post by: Atlatlista on November 13, 2013, 01:12:53 am
Was finally able to shoot this through a chrono.  I could only draw it 24 inches, because it was already 60 pounds at that draw length, and the draw force curve is NOT gentle.  I suspect at a full 28 inch draw it's probably in the 75+ pound range.  However, at 24 inches of draw, it was shooting a carbon arrow 160fps, and it shot the huge, heavy, big-fletched Hadza bird arrow at 131 fps.  I was super impressed, though the giraffe tendon string at that draw weight is hard on the fingers.