Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: adb on November 03, 2013, 07:59:33 pm
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I just posted this little osage recurve selfbow today. It has 'bone' tip overlays, but if anyone can guess correctly what the material is, I'll send you enough to make some overlays! Gratis. Chickenhawk, Pearlie, Gordon, PatB, PatM, Mullet... come on guys!
I'll let this run for a couple days...
Cam, you're out... cuz you know what it is!! ;)
Pic...
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A tooth?
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ivory
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A guy at work has teeth just like that
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Red deer?
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Elk horn?
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That nut that was super hard that there was some sort of question on and it was a nut from, if I remember correctly, South America or southern North America???
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All... NO! Keep goin'...
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A guy at work has teeth just like that
Good one ;D ;D ;D You might get the consolation prize!
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Human bone?
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fpr, fglass reinforced plastic
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Looks like a steak knife handle.
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Sea animal of some sort
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Human bone?
What!?? I'm pretty sure that would be illegal.
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Small hint in the original post.
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Charred bone or is it from a camera? Is that what you meant by cam? LOL
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Baculum
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Reptilian creature.. ???
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Roe deer antler? I like it, whatever it is!
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did you burn a dog 'bone'? like the plastic flavored bones from petsmart?
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Charred bone or is it from a camera? Is that what you meant by cam? LOL
No... I meant that Cam (Cameroo) is out, because we're friends and he already knows what it is.
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Rock or bark or leather glued together? Is it anything natural?
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Again... so far... all incorrect.
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I knew you meant cameroo I just was exploring all posibilities. Is it something off your wife? Jewelry etc?
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Rock or bark or leather glued together? Is it anything natural?
Yes. Not plastic, or artificial in any way. Not the material anyway. And it's not antler.
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I knew you meant cameroo I just was exploring all posibilities. Is it something off your wife? Jewelry etc?
No
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Teeth, claws, horn, petrified wood, bone.
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Bone from inside a cow horn.
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Keep goin'.
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Some kind of fish bone?
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All no so far.
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way out on a limb here... Hippo tooth?
---Ford---
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way out on a limb here... Hippo tooth?
---Ford---
Nope.
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Some good guesses so far... but no.
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Cow leg bone.
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Mrs. Ford thinks it may be some kind of shell (maybe turtle)
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I'm going to say "calf" or cow bone.
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Nope.
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Giraffe Bone...
-gus
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Giraffe Bone...
-gus
Keep going... can you be more specific?
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mammoth ivory?
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Kind of looks like an old screwdriver handle
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No. Sorry.
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Giraffe Leg Bone?
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wolf bone, bear bone, elk bone, caribou bone, moose bone, fox bone?
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Giraffe leg bone...
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Giraffe tooth
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Giraffe Leg Bone?
You and Gus are close... but you need to be slightly more specific.
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Giraffe "Ossicones " antler more specifically Giraffe "head bone" are horn-like (or antler-like) protuberances on the heads of giraffes.
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Giraffe front leg bone? Shin Bone?
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is it a baculum? walrus maybe? Giraffe?
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giraffe tooth or hoof... im saying tooth
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Giraffe "Ossicones " antler more specifically Giraffe "head bone" are horn-like (or antler-like) protuberances on the heads of giraffes.
No.
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Giraffe front leg bone? Shin Bone?
OK. It is Giraffe shin bone, but Giraffe shin bone is smooth. If you can be even more specific, we have a winner.
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The inner part of the Giraffe shin bone....
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Are you sure it's giraffe tibia? It doesn't look anything like a giraffe tibia or metacarpal. I have a ton of them in a box under my desk.
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The upper part near the Knee?
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The upper part near the Knee?
Proxmial epiphysis. That's a good guess, if it is from a giraffe.
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It is definitely Giraffe shin bone. But how does it look the way it does?
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It's heat treated. ;D
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It is definitely Giraffe shin bone. But how does it look the way it does?
By shin bone, you do mean tibia and not metacarpal/metapodial, right?
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A 'shin bone' is a tibia, yes. We've already established it's Giraffe shin bone, but why does it look like it does?
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stabilized? Chewed on by a large carnivore?
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My guess - limb shaft fragment with exposed marrow cavity and grooves from hyena gnawing. :P
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I guess its burnt in some way, or from the ankle where the two leg bones come together.
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A 'shin bone' is a tibia, yes. We've already established it's Giraffe shin bone, but why does it look like it does?
Sort of. The way giraffe legs are built, what most people would call the "shin" (the part right above the foot) is actually the metatarsal, whereas the tibia is the part that bends backwards towards an "elbow" type joint. And that's for the rear leg. If it's from the front leg, it's definitely not a shinbone, it's either a radius or a metacarpal.
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I think you read the post about pooing on finished bows, an tested the tips! :laugh: :laugh:
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I think you read the post about pooing on finished bows, an tested the tips! :laugh: :laugh:
:laugh: lol
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A 'shin bone' is a tibia, yes. We've already established it's Giraffe shin bone, but why does it look like it does?
Sort of. The way giraffe legs are built, what most people would call the "shin" (the part right above the foot) is actually the metatarsal, whereas the tibia is the part that bends backwards towards an "elbow" type joint. And that's for the rear leg. If it's from the front leg, it's definitely not a shinbone, it's either a radius or a metacarpal.
I never said it was the font leg, you did. It is Giraffe shin bone, so yes it's from the back leg, but we've already established that.
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A 'shin bone' is a tibia, yes. We've already established it's Giraffe shin bone, but why does it look like it does?
Sort of. The way giraffe legs are built, what most people would call the "shin" (the part right above the foot) is actually the metatarsal, whereas the tibia is the part that bends backwards towards an "elbow" type joint. And that's for the rear leg. If it's from the front leg, it's definitely not a shinbone, it's either a radius or a metacarpal.
I never said it was the font leg, you did. It is Giraffe shin bone, so yes it's from the back leg.
I didn't say it was, I just pointed out that "shin bone" doesn't mean anything when talking about giraffes.
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A 'shin bone' is a tibia, yes. We've already established it's Giraffe shin bone, but why does it look like it does?
Sort of. The way giraffe legs are built, what most people would call the "shin" (the part right above the foot) is actually the metatarsal, whereas the tibia is the part that bends backwards towards an "elbow" type joint. And that's for the rear leg. If it's from the front leg, it's definitely not a shinbone, it's either a radius or a metacarpal.
I never said it was the font leg, you did. It is Giraffe shin bone, so yes it's from the back leg.
I didn't say it was, I just pointed out that "shin bone" doesn't mean anything when talking about giraffes.
Not my terminology, but you're not staying on track. Small hint... I got it from a buddy of mine who is a custom knife maker.
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Stained giraffe shin bone? Possibly blood stained?
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Not my terminology, but you're not staying on track. Small hint... I got it from a buddy of mine who is a custom knife maker.
All right, my curiosity is too piqued at this point. I'm going into my lab to go through the giraffe bones...
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Stained giraffe shin bone? Possibly blood stained?
It is stained and stabilised for knife handles, but like I said, the bone is naturally smooth. The bone does not naturally look this way. (Really BIG hint).
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Heated Dye?
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Not my terminology, but you're not staying on track. Small hint... I got it from a buddy of mine who is a custom knife maker.
All right, my curiosity is too piqued at this point. I'm going into my lab to go through the giraffe bones...
Won't help.
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Is it worm grooved?
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You sanded it?
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Jigged, stained, and stabilized girrafe shin bone
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Jigged, stained, and stabilized girrafe shin bone
WINNER WINNER, Chicken dinner!!!
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Ah Jigged. I was getting close.
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Hahaha that's what I'm talking about!
Jon
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The word I was looking for was 'jigged'. It's an artificial 'grooving' process. Man made, but natural material. I'm impressed! I would have bet my last dollar nobody would have got it. Well done! Send me a PM, and I'll keep good on my promise.
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Ah Jigged. I was getting close.
You were sooo close!!
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Ah Jigged. I was getting close.
You were sooo close!!
I wasn't Googling fast enough.
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Here's a picture of the knife I got from my buddy that has jigged Giraffe shin bone scales. He gave me some extra slabs of this bone to do some tips.
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Ah Jigged. I was getting close.
You were sooo close!!
I wasn't Googling fast enough.
;D ;D ;D
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You sanded it?
You are right. To bring out the contrast, the surface is sanded.
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Here's a picture of the knife I got from my buddy that has jigged Giraffe shin bone scales. He gave me some extra slabs of this bone to do some tips.
That is gorgeous!
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It's just as well. I've yet to do any tip overlays yet anyway. Ifrit might actually get around to using them this year.
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Love that knife by the way.
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Just for fun - assorted giraffe parts:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-3_zps2e7a99a8.jpg)
Tibia with a sense of scale:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-4_zps1ffc581c.jpg)
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It's either a huge bone, or a tiny little laptop. ;)
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It's either a huge bone, or a tiny little laptop. ;)
Little from column A, little from column B ;D
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Here's a picture of the knife I got from my buddy that has jigged Giraffe shin bone scales. He gave me some extra slabs of this bone to do some tips.
That is gorgeous!
Yes... I agree. If anyone is interested, his name is Greg Lightfoot. He's a world famous knifemaker who lives a couple of hours drive west of me. Google Lightfoot Knives, and you'll find him.
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Huge bones... but a huge critter. I'm not surprised.
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Here's another one of Greg's knives. A companion of the one I already posted. Slightly smaller. I have a serious knife problem.
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Just for fun - assorted giraffe parts:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-3_zps2e7a99a8.jpg)
Tibia with a sense of scale:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-4_zps1ffc581c.jpg)
Excuse me for asking... but why do you have a box of Giraffe bones under your desk?
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I think kudos to Gus for being first to come up with Giraffe bone. How did you do that??
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Just for fun - assorted giraffe parts:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-3_zps2e7a99a8.jpg)
Tibia with a sense of scale:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-4_zps1ffc581c.jpg)
Excuse me for asking... but why do you have a box of Giraffe bones under your desk?
I'm curious as well.
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Zooarchaeology PhD student. We study bones of animals in archaeological contexts. My specific research focus is the earliest origins of hunting amongst pleistocene hominins, so we work primarily with African fauna. We also compare mortality profiles to known hunter-gatherer groups like the Hadza. These giraffe bones were from a Hadza giraffe kill, and were cleaned (sort of) and shipped back to the US to be studied. The whole lab is covered from wall to wall in fossils from Olduvai Gorge and bones of African fauna:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-5_zps19f860b4.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-6_zpsc085ccec.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-7_zpsd483905f.jpg)
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Wow, very cool. What's your PhD thesis?
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Yes, very cool!!
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Wow, very cool. What's your PhD thesis?
I'm a first year, so ask me that in two years and I'll freak out and still not answer :-[
Seriously though, my primary focus is looking into the development of projectile weapons technology through a combination of faunal analysis (mortality patterns, bone damage) and lithic analysis (fracture patterns, typologies, use-wear data, etc) as well as experimental archaeology (my favorite part).
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You have a great job... if you can call a PhD student a job! ;)
I think you should do some archery related experimental archaeology.
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You have a great job... if you can call a PhD student a job! ;)
I think you should do some archery related experimental archaeology.
If you check my "coolest gift ever" thread, my professor gave me a Hadza bow and arrows to test on a deer carcass. He leaves the archery to me as I'm a competitive longbow archer. So, I'm going to send the arrows through a chrono and then use one of my longbows as a proxy for the Hadza bow (if one of them chronos near the same FPS), to preserve the bow from damage (it's a couple of years old). And then I'll shoot the deer carcass in the kill zone a bunch of times with the authentic Hadza arrows, deflesh the carcass, and study the bones for diagnostic damage patterns relating to Hadza broadheads.
As to PhD student being a job, they do pay me for it (not so very much less than I got for my old desk job), and it is way cooler than accounting software.
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Nice!! You do have a cool job!
Just for shit's and giggles, and in the interests of thoroughness, I've also added a picture of a folder by Greg Lightfoot that has non-jigged Giraffe shin bone scales. It's still stabilized, but not dyed. It looks very much like ivory. It is my sincere hope that this material is ethically sourced.
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Your friend does great work. That looks way more like giraffe bone than those overlays, you were being awfully sneaky :P
As to the ethics of it, there's a lot of poaching in Africa, but a lot of legitimate trade in the animals there, and they're an important part of the economy, as the revenue generated from hunters often pays for the conservation efforts to preserve the species and their habitats. Giraffes, as a rule, are quite common animals though - it's not like a rhinoceros or anything like that.
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Your friend does great work. That looks way more like giraffe bone than those overlays, you were being awfully sneaky :P
As to the ethics of it, there's a lot of poaching in Africa, but a lot of legitimate trade in the animals there, and they're an important part of the economy, as the revenue generated from hunters often pays for the conservation efforts to preserve the species and their habitats. Giraffes, as a rule, are quite common animals though - it's not like a rhinoceros or anything like that.
Greg has been making knives for a long time. His work is top shelf. Not cheap, but worth it IMHO.
I'm glad to hear the material is likely not poached or obtained in a questionable manner. I think part of the custom knife making world is a need to play a game of 'one-up-manship.' More exotic materials = more exclusive = higher price. I certainly don't think jigged Giraffe shin bone is at the top of the list, but it's got to be up there. I've also heard of 'bog oak' and the vast array of fossilised goodies.
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Here's another one of Greg's knives. A companion of the one I already posted. Slightly smaller. I have a serious knife problem.
like bows, you cant have too many knifes, bub
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When you said 'bone' my guess was going to be different.......but I won't go there!
That bog oak you talk about is very cool stuff. I have a friend who is also a custom knife maker. I talked to some guys in Ireland once who dig peat, they often come across bog oak. One of the chaps in a broad Irish accent said something like 'oo to be sure, that black bog oak burns wonderful...even better than coal.' I tried telling him how much it was worth but he said it's not worth more than being warm on a winters night! There some truth in that ;)
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It's a giraffe shin bone from a half eaten girraffe
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Zooarchaeology PhD student. We study bones of animals in archaeological contexts. My specific research focus is the earliest origins of hunting amongst pleistocene hominins, so we work primarily with African fauna. We also compare mortality profiles to known hunter-gatherer groups like the Hadza. These giraffe bones were from a Hadza giraffe kill, and were cleaned (sort of) and shipped back to the US to be studied. The whole lab is covered from wall to wall in fossils from Olduvai Gorge and bones of African fauna:
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-5_zps19f860b4.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-6_zpsc085ccec.jpg)
(http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h97/ordoteutonicorum/photo-7_zpsd483905f.jpg)
Let me know when you have a garage sale!
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I WANT TO BE IN THERE!!!
thats way to kool of a job
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This thread is another good reason as to why I love this web sight, thanks for sharing. What does stabilized bone mean?
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I'd gander either giraffe bone
Elk ivory (Tooth ivory)
Rams horn (From close to the tip of the horn)
Or (And this is an out there guess) Moose antler?
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This was a sweet idea. more people need to do this so I can win some free stuff!
seriously though, this should be a regular thing like BOM!
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Not sure... Giraffe just felt right...
First time I've seen Jigged Bone and been told what it was.
Stabilized means, having a stabilizing agent infused into the piece to strengthen it and help hold it together. CA Glue is often the agent, and a vacuum process is often used to infuse the target piece.
Stabilized Bone, Mammoth Ivory, Turquoise and Spalted Wood are just a few materials you might find out there.
-gus
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Cow hoof you picked up at the local vet.
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Im a big fan of Gregs work.I even made a "almost" copy in ATS34 of a tantomodel of his for a friend a couple of years ago
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Not sure... Giraffe just felt right...
First time I've seen Jigged Bone and been told what it was.
Stabilized means, having a stabilizing agent infused into the piece to strengthen it and help hold it together. CA Glue is often the agent, and a vacuum process is often used to infuse the target piece.
Stabilized Bone, Mammoth Ivory, Turquoise and Spalted Wood are just a few materials you might find out there.
-gus
Most of the stabilising processes are trade secrets and not revealed to the general public. I think some of them involve epoxy and pressure.
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I'd gander either giraffe bone
Elk ivory (Tooth ivory)
Rams horn (From close to the tip of the horn)
Or (And this is an out there guess) Moose antler?
Kinda missed the boat... don't yah think?