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Title: 65# persimmon bow
Post by: richardzane on November 30, 2013, 07:29:18 pm
just finished this 65# persimmon...
65 3/4" tip to tip , 1 3/4" widest, 1" width before the nocks,
back was dry heat reflexed and the tips steam bent reflexed. a certain amount of set 

really enjoy working with persimmon and leaving the sap wood with all its knots and its lighter color. these tips naturally turned black from clamping the ends on the roughed out stave to prevent propellering . didn't weaken the wood in any way, maybe something to do with the sap under the wood clamps?
powerful shooter... i just need to work out with it to build some muscle strength!
harder to do as a 58 year old than you young whipper-snappers.
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Post by: DuBois on November 30, 2013, 07:35:46 pm
Sweet bow man! I remember my grandpa pointing out persimmon on his farm when I was a kid. Kinda hope to give it a shot someday.
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Post by: dbb on November 30, 2013, 07:40:32 pm
Simple and elegant!
Nice finish too,sweet!
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Post by: Badger on November 30, 2013, 07:50:44 pm
  Beautiful job on that bow. I just did my first persimmon a couple of months ago, fantastic wood. Hardest wood I ever worked bar none, I had to sharpen my scraper after each set of scrapes.
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Post by: StickMan47 on November 30, 2013, 07:57:26 pm
I love that profile Richard. Nice job! Was wondering if that is the natural color of the wood or if you stained it? Great looking bow.
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Post by: RyanR on November 30, 2013, 08:05:38 pm
Nothing wrong with that. Nice looking bow. With that heavy draw that thing is probably an animal.
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Post by: richardzane on November 30, 2013, 08:22:16 pm
thanks!
StickMan47, no staining, i just used True oil... it has almost a natural walnut like color below the sapwood.
maybe just a tad greyer than walnut.
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Post by: Zion on November 30, 2013, 08:44:51 pm
Awesome bow, that is one nice bend! Looks like a shooter!
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Post by: burchett.donald on November 30, 2013, 09:31:58 pm
  Sweeeet bend, love the way you took extra care to make those string friendly nocks...really nice 8)
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Post by: richardzane on November 30, 2013, 09:37:01 pm
thanks for the encouragements!
now i'll need to make some heftier spined-up arrows for this one.
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Post by: rps3 on November 30, 2013, 09:47:16 pm
That is a sweet looking bow, I bet it does shoot hard.
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Post by: IdahoMatt on November 30, 2013, 10:03:36 pm
Now that's a great lookin bow Richard.  I love the subtle curves
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Post by: lostarrow on November 30, 2013, 10:14:32 pm
Very graceful. Looks like a pleasure to shoot!
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Post by: okie64 on November 30, 2013, 10:30:44 pm
That is a great profile and a beautiful bow! Ive yet to split a persimmon log that didnt have severe twist to it.
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Post by: dwardo on December 01, 2013, 07:55:09 am
That is everything a bow should be. Doesn't look like there is an ounce of fat on it either.
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Post by: bushboy on December 01, 2013, 08:35:13 am
very nicely done!
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on December 01, 2013, 08:35:40 am
Fantastic bow Richard. Now I need to throw a "want ad" up for some persimmon.
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Post by: TRACY on December 01, 2013, 09:08:48 am
Really nice work and bow! Like the design.

Tracy
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Post by: Dean Marlow on December 01, 2013, 09:17:02 am
That is a beautiful bow. I will be looking for some of that wood for sure. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by: 4dog on December 01, 2013, 09:24:35 am
nice straight up bow!
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Post by: Ryan_Gill_HuntPrimitive on December 01, 2013, 09:25:32 am
that sir, is a fine looking bow. I have a special place in my heart for persimmon and the shape of yours in gorgeous in my book. congrats- Ryan
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Post by: adb on December 01, 2013, 10:15:41 am
Very nicely done! Your tiller is perfect.
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Post by: Badger on December 01, 2013, 10:23:55 am
      My persimmon was whitishwith gray mottling. I have to wonder if some persimmon takes up more minerals into the wood than other trees, my one sample burned up the bandsaw blade almost as soon as it touched it and took the edge off every tool I used. I finaly settle for a scraper but had to keep a file on my lap and resharpen after 6 or 7 scrapes.
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Post by: blackhawk on December 01, 2013, 10:26:17 am
Nice unbraced and full draw profiles  8)
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Post by: SLIMBOB on December 01, 2013, 10:33:58 am
Sweet! Love the curves on it.
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Post by: ErictheViking on December 01, 2013, 12:08:24 pm
very graceful curves. fine job on a sweet looking bow
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Post by: Arrowind on December 01, 2013, 12:39:21 pm
AWESOME BOW! The tiller looks spot on.  I really like the curves too.  Nice job!
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Post by: Badger on December 01, 2013, 12:48:31 pm
  Good candidate for bow of the month, love the braced and drawn profiles.
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Post by: JLoranger on December 01, 2013, 01:18:49 pm
Beautiful looking bow!
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Post by: Jodocus on December 01, 2013, 02:30:37 pm
Classy bow!
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Post by: richardzane on December 01, 2013, 02:43:01 pm
thanks so much for the encouraging words! makes me wanna get busy on the next one..
you know how it is, there's always a line of staves in process...
Badger,
persimmon here in on the property in NE Okl. is definitely a hard wood,
but wow...i've not had the same problem with it chewing up blades...other than normal scraper retouches.
Title: Re: 65# persimmon bow
Post by: nathan elliot on December 01, 2013, 02:54:55 pm
Some bow just have "it" you just made one with "it". Really nice bow in every respect.
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Post by: mikekeswick on December 01, 2013, 03:46:58 pm
That is a real beauty  :)
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Post by: bow101 on December 01, 2013, 07:25:42 pm
Very nice unit, looks like a very natural old school patina...
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Post by: Japbow on December 01, 2013, 11:11:11 pm

      Great looking stick you got there!

      I made a 45# persimmon bow over the summer
      and it's my best bow to date. I still have a stash
      and will definitely make more in the future.

      Thanks for sharing!

      Japbow.
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Post by: Badly Bent on December 01, 2013, 11:25:35 pm
Thats a great bow Mr. Zane, exceptional work and sweet tiller. Gotta be a hard shooter too from the looks of it. Real nice work on that one. Persimmon is one of those woods I would love to try myself one day.
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Post by: Wylden Freeborne on December 02, 2013, 12:17:41 am
Wow! What a great looking bow! Would love to see her shoot some arrows. How long did you season that persimmon?
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Post by: Pappy on December 02, 2013, 09:55:21 am
Beautiful bow,very nice job on all of it. :)
  Pappy
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Post by: Joec123able on December 02, 2013, 10:09:18 am
      My persimmon was whitishwith gray mottling. I have to wonder if some persimmon takes up more minerals into the wood than other trees, my one sample burned up the bandsaw blade almost as soon as it touched it and took the edge off every tool I used. I finaly settle for a scraper but had to keep a file on my lap and resharpen after 6 or 7 scrapes.

That bow is incredible I love every thing about it..... Now I'm wondering if you guys are exaggerating the hardness of this wood considering Osage is harder then persimmon and I've never had this problem
Title: Re: 65# persimmon bow
Post by: richardzane on December 02, 2013, 10:57:26 am
thanks all!

to answer your question Wylden, I guess its seasoned about 2 years.
I had it bolt clamped to an old oak 2x6 for a year with another persm. stave . (that one turned out nice but its only about a 35#)
roughed it out after a year... then recently removed more wood on the limbs and tip , reflexed it, tillered it  and finished it up just last week.

Joe,
Maybe some dryland persimmon gets ornry hard? but this was cut in a damper hollow, where the trees are reaching tall and straight.
I didn't think it was overly hard, and definitely not as hard as osage.
the light sap wood is very shallow - which gives it almost a laminated look.
Title: Re: 65# persimmon bow
Post by: GlisGlis on December 02, 2013, 10:57:56 am
Est! Est!! Est!!! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Est!_Est!!_Est!!!_di_Montefiascone)  (latin cit. )

if you dont feel like reading  ;) means EXCELLENT !

65#@?

Title: Re: 65# persimmon bow
Post by: richardzane on December 02, 2013, 11:00:34 am
GlisGlis,
ah yeah, forgot to add that.... 65# at 28"
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Post by: Josh B on December 02, 2013, 11:14:54 am
Oh my!  That is a dandy of a bow!  I'm diggin every aspect of it.  Well done Sir!   Josh
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Post by: Parnell on December 02, 2013, 01:37:39 pm
That has beautiful lines!  Really nice bow Richard!
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on December 02, 2013, 02:53:23 pm
That bow is pure beauty. 
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Post by: bowmo on December 02, 2013, 02:56:02 pm
Pretty wood. That's a good lookin' bow. Never had a chance to use persimmon but have always wanted to. Looks like its up there with hophornbeam, hackberry, and vine maple as far as white woods go.
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Post by: Danzn Bar on December 02, 2013, 08:24:29 pm
Wow , don't know how I missed this one.  Love the bend in that one.
DBar
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Post by: Postman on December 03, 2013, 10:25:55 pm
Great looking bow. Just discovered a nice persimmon tree next to a powerline I hunt. If the tree crews come, i'm snatching it up.
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Post by: richardzane on December 04, 2013, 11:20:50 am
I've been already marking (in my mind) some nice tall straight persimmons myself...for spring harvest
love the way the wood works, cutting, rasping, scraping..the wood is wonderful stuff