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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: wood_bandit 99 on December 10, 2013, 04:11:38 am
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I have a yew flatbow and I am going to try my first build along or a few pictures and some info(depends what I feel like >:D) the bow is a pacific yew flatbow and it had some sapwood fungus and was very low density. What I learned is not to buy any stave on ebay. Burl.quilt on ebay doesn't know what he is doing. It is 64" long, had 6" deflex and I heated that into 1" reflex and the other one was already 1" reflex. Fairly straight and has quite a few knots. I backed it with linen used tb2. I am planning on painting the back and yes, I DID back it using linen fibers just to go "primitive". Never doing that again O:). That sucked and I wasn't amazingly impressed with the results but it wasn't too bad. No air pockets just some lumps. I am doing my regular handle with the thumb piece made out of ipe and osage and this will be an off hand bow because I seem to shoot better with them. Going to try a few knew things and some stuff I haven't seen anyone do before. Planning on horn and osage tips. Shooting for 55-65# @ 26", somewhere in that ballpark. I will post pictures tomorrow morning. I will post some pics of me heat treating tomorrow too. Still very stiff and won't be able to work on it until I finish up a buddy's Christmas present. Any more info you guys want just ask.
Nicely ;D
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Pics of heat treating, pics of my style grip with the thumb rest. No, it's not a left handed bow with a rest, it is a right handed bow and I found out that the thumb rest is just one more thing to lock your hand in place so your arrow isn't higher or lower every time you shoot. And pics of the backing.
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On the second picture up from the bottom, what are those lines I'm seeing across the bow?
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From the plant fiber cordage I wrapped around the linen backing as I was backing it. Just to be more authentic
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Is it all heartwood, can't tell if I'm seeing any sapwood under the backing?
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Heat-treating after backing? Wow, you are brave
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Yes there is a little sapwood under the backing but had to back it because it had a fungus.
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Heat-treating after backing? Wow, you are brave
I am too impatient and backed it before I tempered it ::) and I you mean I am retarded.... And I will take that as a compliment! >:D
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Heat-treating after backing? Wow, you are brave
I am too impatient and backed it before I tempered it ::) and I you mean I am retarded.... And I will take that as a compliment! >:D
I didn't say it ::)
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Heat-treating after backing? Wow, you are brave
I am too impatient and backed it before I tempered it ::) and I you mean I am retarded.... And I will take that as a compliment! >:D
I didn't say it ::)
Lol
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Heat-treating after backing? Wow, you are brave
What do you know about heat treating anyway Marc St Louis ??????
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I have bought a lot of staves from LE enterprises over the years. In every case, the stave was very accurately described in measurements, twist and character with high quality pics depicting every pertinent detail. LaVerne is not a bowyer nor does he claim to be. But he is quite knowledgeable of what bowyers expect in a stave and makes every effort to meet those expectations. Don't blame him for your inattention to pics and description details before you bid. Josh
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I have bought a lot of staves from LE enterprises over the years. In every case, the stave was very accurately described in measurements, twist and character with high quality pics depicting every pertinent detail. LaVerne is not a bowyer nor does he claim to be. But he is quite knowledgeable of what bowyers expect in a stave and makes every effort to meet those expectations. Don't blame him for your inattention to pics and description details before you bid. Josh
Sorry not to come off rude, but that guy I got it from said it was a nice stave,73" long, no twist, 4" deflex, not dried and about 30 gpi. I get it and it is at most 21 gpi and it had two pictures, one was a far off shot and another was the end of the stave without any ruler so I ha no idea. Got it for $100 shipped but had almost all sapwood fungus and was very wavy and had a ton of knots that he didn't say anything about. Maybe I got it from somebody else but I remember it as LE enterprises.
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Interesting bow. Any pics of it being drawn?
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I'm going to agree with PD on his take about LaVerne. I've purchased from him for years and your comment about Laverne stating the stave had 30 rpi is way out of character. I've never seen rings per inch discussed in any description that was ever published on any of his listings. That is not and never has been a characteristic of Mr. Bartell's listings.
I consider he and his son Eric friends of the utmost character and your degradation on a public forum has me a little irritated and I may well draw it to his attention.
Also Laverne cuts his wood close to home over in the Missouri River valley of Nebraska area, sells more hedge posts than staves, and has never sold a piece of yew that I am aware of.
I think Mr. Bandit has his suppliers mixed up in fact I'll give you 10-1 odds you do!!!!
Fred
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In all fairness to everyone involved, Maybe the OP should double check his stave source just to clear up any misunderstandings that seem to be building up here...Double check and benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise....Just trying to keep the paece....Rev. Pete
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I'm going to agree with PD on his take about LaVerne. I've purchased from him for years and your comment about Laverne stating the stave had 30 rpi is way out of character. I've never seen rings per inch discussed in any description that was ever published on any of his listings. That is not and never has been a characteristic of Mr. Bartell's listings.
I consider he and his son Eric friends of the utmost character and your degradation on a public forum has me a little irritated and I may well draw it to his attention.
Also Laverne cuts his wood close to home over in the Missouri River valley of Nebraska area, sells more hedge posts than staves, and has never sold a piece of yew that I am aware of.
I think Mr. Bandit has his suppliers mixed up in fact I'll give you 10-1 odds you do!!!!
Fred
Hold your horses cowboy! ;D I will look back and try to see who I bought it from but if year old memory serves me right, it was him. No promises and I am betting I am wrong too just based off what you said. I didn't mean to start any fighting, it's probably just a misunderstanding. I will look back just to get this cleared out. Whoever I bought it from really made me mad though with him doing that. Couldn't believe somebody would lie and still have 100% feedback!
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Interesting bow. Any pics of it being drawn?
It's not tillered beyond floor tillering. I just got the backing dry. I am leaving it a few days to rehydrate and then I will get bak to some serous tillering. Looks cool so far and yew is so much easier to work then osage! Feels like rasping butter!
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Seems as though the guy I bought it from goes by the name burl.quilt. I am sure it was him. Sorry for the confusion, I can't remember if I bought another stave from LE? I can't remember for some reason my memory wants to blame him.
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That is the proprietor of medicine wood bows or something like that. I've gotten yew from him before and was very displeased. I would get yew that was shorter than originally described. Needless to say I get my yew from Echo Archery and cut my own.
You should probably edit your opening statement.
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Is this the stave you're working on? http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,43162.0.html. If so, your memory is worse than mine! That ain't good! By the time you get my age, you won't remember your own name! Josh
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Yes it is. I say year because it is a bunch easier than saying 6 months ago. But it's all the same. It is been dried enough to make a bow.
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I am deeply sorry for blaming LE enterprises for that. And doc, it has been a crazy few months. I have made like 9 bows and am rushing to get a guys bow done for Christmas so I have not had my head on straight for a while :laugh:
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Yes it is. I say year because it is a bunch easier than saying 6 months ago. But it's all the same. It is been dried enough to make a bow.
Do you have a cousin in England? Seems like we have been down this road before. ::)
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That is the proprietor of medicine wood bows or something like that. I've gotten yew from him before and was very displeased. I would get yew that was shorter than originally described. Needless to say I get my yew from Echo Archery and cut my own.
You should probably edit your opening statement.
X2 !........didn't you say he was replacing your wood for free???
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I am deeply sorry for blaming LE enterprises for that. And doc, it has been a crazy few months. I have made like 9 bows and am rushing to get a guys bow done for Christmas so I have not had my head on straight for a while :laugh:
Slow down! Patience is your best friend in bowbuilding. The sooner you figure that out the easier it will be.
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I'm glad to see you straightened that out. I also agree with Okie, don't burn yourself out. It's real easy to do. Josh
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I'm going to agree with PD on his take about LaVerne. I've purchased from him for years and your comment about Laverne stating the stave had 30 rpi is way out of character. I've never seen rings per inch discussed in any description that was ever published on any of his listings. That is not and never has been a characteristic of Mr. Bartell's listings.
I consider he and his son Eric friends of the utmost character and your degradation on a public forum has me a little irritated and I may well draw it to his attention.
Also Laverne cuts his wood close to home over in the Missouri River valley of Nebraska area, sells more hedge posts than staves, and has never sold a piece of yew that I am aware of.
I think Mr. Bandit has his suppliers mixed up in fact I'll give you 10-1 odds you do!!!!
Fred
A big +1 on that!! Mr. L. Bartels is a stand up guy. I've purchased dozens of staves from him and his son, and they've always been good quality. I had a problem with a couple of elm staves once, and he immediately replaced them at no charge. And he does NOT sell yew. You did apologise, but it would be good to be more careful about who you slag on a public forum unless you're sure. Now, Dave Robertson, on the other hand, at Medicine Bow Wood is a lyin' bastard. Bad wood, bad customer service, bad photos. I complained about a yew stave I bought, and he basically told me to pi$$ off. It was not the stave he advertised. I will not purchase anything from him ever, and I'll gladly tell others why.
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but it would be good to be more careful about who you slag on a public forum unless you're sure. Now, Dave Robertson, on the other hand, at Medicine Bow Wood is a lyin' bastard. Bad wood, bad customer service, bad photo
:laugh: :laugh:
How do i make this my signature!
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Yes it is. I say year because it is a bunch easier than saying 6 months ago. But it's all the same. It is been dried enough to make a bow.
Do you have a cousin in England? Seems like we have been down this road before. ::)
lmao right?!?!? i just dont get it.
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Yes it is. I say year because it is a bunch easier than saying 6 months ago. But it's all the same. It is been dried enough to make a bow.
ummm, 6 months is not the same as a year. and five months since it was cut in july is not the same as six months. just saying.
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Hey guys we gonna pick apart everything I say or what :laugh: ;) >:D
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Yes.
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but it would be good to be more careful about who you slag on a public forum unless you're sure. Now, Dave Robertson, on the other hand, at Medicine Bow Wood is a lyin' bastard. Bad wood, bad customer service, bad photo
:laugh: :laugh:
How do i make this my signature!
unless you're sure... that's the important part. Regarding Dave Robertson, I'm sure. First hand experience. Besides, you've taken my quote out of context to suit your purpose... which is what?
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but it would be good to be more careful about who you slag on a public forum unless you're sure. Now, Dave Robertson, on the other hand, at Medicine Bow Wood is a lyin' bastard. Bad wood, bad customer service, bad photo
:laugh: :laugh:
How do i make this my signature!
unless you're sure... that's the important part. Regarding Dave Robertson, I'm sure. First hand experience. Besides, you've taken my quote out of context to suit your purpose... which is what?
Think you got the wrong end of the stick there boss.
No offence intended, just made me chuckle, must be pretty bad service by the tone is all I meant.
Go have a beer on me.
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:o I thought this was a build along?
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Same here...Then someone threw in a flaming torch, six monkeys and a gallon of gas.....Could we get back to the building. I have few forms of entertainment and this happens to be one of them...Just kidding...any new progress on the part of the OP??
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and now for something completely different, back to the build
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Yes there has been some progress. After this Saturday it will be strictly this bow as I have to make a guy in West Virginia his bow for Christmas and I promised him he would get it before Christmas. Here are a few pictures of the limb I heat treated. One area I forgot about(blame me!) and got a little burned but i think it burned more because of the deflex which made it closer to the heat gun. Either way I screwed up but it is just cosmetic won't hurt
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Pics. Doesn't look as burned as it did a few days ago. Yay!
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Did a little shaping today. One limb has 2 big knots in it that widen it quite a bit and I think that is why it is so stiff. Hardly bends and the other bends pretty easy. Here are some pics before I cut the thickness down.
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Thickness taper looks good there Bandit (just by reading the reading the grain lines). I'd go slow on reducing the thickness in those areas you show marked. Reduce the thickness too much there and you'll have to continue the taper all the way out. Yew has a way of foolin you and needs more thickness than you would think if you want to maintain any kind of draw weight....Yew is going to be much thicker than a comparable weight Osage or Hick or many other hardwoods so do it gradual.....
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Lookin good but when marking out i would use a pencil and a sharp one. rather than a marker. it makes your work alot more acurate. can't wait to see a full draw. and also i would say cut your own wood, then you can't blame anyone but yourself ;) ;D although i also cut some yew in june/july and im not sure it's seasoned :o
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Mine I stuck in the attic for awhile after somebody told me it is pretty good to speed dry. I have heat treated, shaped then speed dried, and heat bent it all with it cut into bow shape. I think it is pretty dry :laugh: I will start cutting trees down and making staves myself. I have a ton of oak, elm, hickory, and hackberry and some mulberry on my land that I will cut down this spring and some this winter. Oak isn't that good for a bow but there is SO much of it I thought I could make some thing work!
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Yew is SO easy to bend its nuts! Osage would have to be a 1/4" thick to just bend with this design. This thing is 3/4" and it's bending enough to start tillering almost.
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I'm guessing the 3/4" is at the fades? Just by the looks of that nice thickness taper you got (and my limited familiarity with yew I've used), you should be getting enough floor tillered bend on those limbs to have at least a long string on it. I'd tiller it with a string a bit (at least check the bend) before thinning it very much more...
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I found the problem of why that one limb was stiff. One was good for long string and the other was stiff. I measured it and I accidentally marked it a little bit thicker on the other limb. I scraped it down and now I am on to long string. I am going to cut the grooves in and then I will post pics of that.
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Just cut in grooves and got the taper pretty symmetrical from .75" at fades to .5" at tips. Got the long string out and it looks like that one limb is a little stiff so I will work on that and post pics tomorrow.
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Lookin good but when marking out i would use a pencil and a sharp one. rather than a marker. it makes your work alot more acurate. can't wait to see a full draw. and also i would say cut your own wood, then you can't blame anyone but yourself ;) ;D although i also cut some yew in june/july and im not sure it's seasoned :o
slayer you also cut some yew, that wasn't yew ::) :laugh:, you know back when you were a squirrel
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Lookin good but when marking out i would use a pencil and a sharp one. rather than a marker. it makes your work alot more acurate. can't wait to see a full draw. and also i would say cut your own wood, then you can't blame anyone but yourself ;) ;D although i also cut some yew in june/july and im not sure it's seasoned :o
slayer you also cut some yew, that wasn't yew ::) :laugh:, you know back when you were a squirrel
What I first thought was yew was cherry, and rotten wood at that. But I've found yrw in a local church yard.
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yew didn't find me in a local church yard >:D
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Good Grief!!!!
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Oh jeeze bubby, I dont think even JW would have made that pun... lol.... ouch.
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Oh jeeze bubby, I dont think even JW would have made that pun... lol.... ouch.
yeah he would
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:laugh: very pun-y,
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So I recurved it so it is like that deflex recurve pearly made, I have tillered a little and almost have it to low brace, i re did the backing because I thought it was a little sketchy being bent that many times, and it looks awesome. I am going to put elk or bison horn riser spikes, I will add bison on the tips an debating on putting osage or antler on top of the bison horn. What should I do? This will be put on after tillering. This will hopefully be my first legit recurve as the others have been flipped tips bows but we will see what it turns into. It is still pretty heavy. School Christmas break starts this Saturday so I will get this done within there to new year's.
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Sounds good. Pics?