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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: mikekeswick on December 20, 2013, 08:51:18 am

Title: Elder sapling bow
Post by: mikekeswick on December 20, 2013, 08:51:18 am
Whilst i'm in the mood! Here is another bow I finished up recently. It's made from a small diameter 1 3/4 max elder sapling. I was mildly worried about the back on this bow due to the very high crown and quite large 'cluster' knots that you always seem to get in this wood. I've made a few bows from elder now and I really rate it as bow wood  :) So far i've found you need to make the back work and give the belly a light heat treat to get the best out of it. It's quite stiff stuff but fairly low density - a good combo!
It is 46# @ 27 and 69 inches long. It's taken virtually no set and even after being strung for hours if jumps straight back when un-strung  :) even with the stave being naturally set back in the handle.
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Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: mikekeswick on December 20, 2013, 08:54:03 am
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Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: H Rhodes on December 20, 2013, 08:56:41 am
Awesome bow.  I wonder if the elder that we have in the southern states has the density to make a bow?  I will have to give it a try.  I bet that one is light in the hand. Looks like a sweet shooter.
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Post by: Pappy on December 20, 2013, 09:13:19 am
Another good looking bow,you been busy. :)
 Pappy
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Post by: NeolithicMan on December 20, 2013, 09:29:26 am
yer bow has a stash hole in it!  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:, sweet bow man
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Post by: Will H on December 20, 2013, 09:50:04 am
Very nice! Thanks for sharing :)
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Post by: PEARL DRUMS on December 20, 2013, 09:54:07 am
I like that bow Mike.
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Post by: IdahoMatt on December 20, 2013, 10:05:38 am
I dig that one Mike.  Lots of character.  Great tiller.
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Post by: SLIMBOB on December 20, 2013, 10:05:59 am
Nice work.
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on December 20, 2013, 10:17:54 am
Very nicely done! Jawge
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Post by: dwardo on December 20, 2013, 11:22:11 am
Another nice bow mate.  8)

I do keep my eye out for elder and cut a few but all had horrible prop twist.
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Post by: Del the cat on December 20, 2013, 11:26:40 am
Excellent post, I have some Elder seasoned, and I've just bought a couple of pencils :laugh: so I need somewhere to stow them.
Maybe I'll pick one of my the staves during the hol'
Del
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Post by: Arrowind on December 20, 2013, 11:36:53 am
Awesome bow!!!  Really like that one!
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Post by: rps3 on December 20, 2013, 12:20:58 pm
I like it too. Definetly would add some variety to any bow collection with that.
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Post by: chamookman on December 20, 2013, 12:44:16 pm
Absolutely Pithy - GREAT Bow ! Bob
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Post by: Don Case on December 20, 2013, 12:45:14 pm
Very nice! Did the elder have red or blue berries?
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Post by: Jodocus on December 20, 2013, 01:03:26 pm
Sweet! Very nicely fitting handle as well. And the bend is lovely. You know what species of elder it is?
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Post by: OTDEAN on December 20, 2013, 01:39:19 pm
Nice bow mike, I remember seeing it, like how its partially hollow on the middle.

Get in touch, fancy making a longbow and don't know where to start, have flatbows coming out of my ears!  Want to make my first white wood longbow.

Dean
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Post by: dbb on December 20, 2013, 01:44:16 pm
Cool bow!
Really have that "primitive" look.
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Post by: nathan elliot on December 20, 2013, 02:07:40 pm
Sweet looking bow, looks nice and authentic. Couple of thousand years ago that would have made folks drool - then and now.
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Post by: toomanyknots on December 20, 2013, 02:15:57 pm
Very cool, sapling bows are the best.  :)
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Post by: Carson (CMB) on December 20, 2013, 03:07:16 pm
That is a very nice bow. I like how the pith provides a little natural hollow limb design. 
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Post by: burchett.donald on December 21, 2013, 02:43:01 am
 Another great tiller and interesting bow. I enjoy looking at these out of the ordinary bows! Great work 8)
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Post by: Blaflair2 on December 21, 2013, 03:41:04 pm
That's sweet man! Looks like a shooter
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Post by: Sidewinder on December 21, 2013, 04:28:11 pm
Very cool bow Mike. Looks like you got a serious shooter there. That pith center is cool too.   Danny
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Post by: Don Case on December 21, 2013, 04:30:06 pm
I would still like to know if it had red or blue/black berries. All that grows here is the red berry and I've heard that red is no good for bows. I love the bow and would like to try one.
Thanks
Don
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Post by: Badly Bent on December 21, 2013, 06:16:25 pm
Cool looking sapling bow. Nice work keeping that side profile so straight at rest, must be some strong wood and skillful
tillering to get those results.
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Post by: RyanR on December 21, 2013, 10:21:10 pm
Cool looking bow.
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Post by: mikekeswick on December 22, 2013, 04:44:46 am
Thanks guys  :)
Don the only elder we have here is sambucus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus
The berries will stain you red at a moments notice! I shoot them at my mates with a catty now and then and it actually looks like they have been shot!
Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: Del the cat on December 22, 2013, 06:13:21 am
Thanks guys  :)
Don the only elder we have here is sambucus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus
The berries will stain you red at a moments notice! I shoot them at my mates with a catty now and then and it actually looks like they have been shot!
Mike, I think for our transatlantic cousins you may need to translate 'catty' (catpult) as 'slingshot'  ;) ;D
I'm sure I've never been involved in propelling Elderberries at folk O:)
Del
Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: Don Case on December 22, 2013, 03:58:58 pm
Thanks guys  :)
Don the only elder we have here is sambucus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambucus
The berries will stain you red at a moments notice! I shoot them at my mates with a catty now and then and it actually looks like they have been shot!
I'm a little slow on the uptake. You're in Europe!! Over here in B.C. we have at least two sambucus, berries go from red to almost black. I have red in my area and have heard that it doesn't make good bows whereas the interior has blue/black and makes good bows. I find it hard to believe that berry color would affect bow quality but I guess I'll just have to try it.
Thanks
Don
Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: berny on January 08, 2014, 07:59:03 pm
Nice bow Mike, hope to get a look/shot if you've still got it when Butsfield resumes in spring (assuming you're there),
Rgds, Berny
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Post by: Crogacht on January 09, 2014, 07:47:57 pm
I like this a lot.
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Post by: Peacebow_Coos on January 09, 2014, 11:04:52 pm
Don, saw this on Paleoplanet awhile back http://paleoplanet69529.yuku.com/topic/55798/Red-elder-stave-finishedfull-draw-pics#.Us9g6f3FnwI nice bow there mikekeswick!
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Post by: Prignitzer bowman on January 10, 2014, 02:33:13 am
Mike very nice! I made an elder bow a while back and really like the wood, though finding a piece which isn't twisted and long enough is always difficult. That being said it grows everywhere here where I am in Germany, and I am currently trying to make a molly-type bow out of half of it and have the other half waiting. We will see but at the moment it is looking pretty good.

Don the elder we have here is I think Sambucus Nigra also known as black elder. But Peacebows link is like wow!!!

Peter
Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: mikekeswick on January 10, 2014, 04:38:49 am
Thanks guys.  :)
Elder is really great bow wood and no mistake! I've got some more premium staves now   :)
Hi Berny - Yes I should be up there for the shoot.
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Post by: richardzane on January 10, 2014, 03:34:30 pm
love the simplicity ,and that arc -- is right on
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Post by: burn em up chuck on January 10, 2014, 07:10:05 pm
   very very cool, I've always enjoyed seeing your sapling bows

                                                        chuck
Title: Re: Elder sapling bow
Post by: simson on January 12, 2014, 05:33:39 am
Nice and interesting bow. I'm currently also working on an elder, but only 59" long. Will be finished soon.
I'm with you Mike, elder is very flexibel and good bow wood.
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Post by: jim mason on January 21, 2014, 03:43:29 am
i like no. 8 so i will vote for it.