Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: blacktailcody on January 09, 2014, 09:21:12 pm
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I just bought mahogany and purple hart. Can I make a deicent bow? Can you walk me through making a laminated bow? Thanks, Cody
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First of all, I see it's your first post. Welcome to PA!! Well lets start with, most mahoganys aren't the greatest choice of woods. From what I've been told most of them are no good at all. Lot's of other woods out there there are better, and even cheaper than mahogany. Have you made any other bows before? I'm sure others will chime in also. Probably a better place to start is the how to thread. Looking forward to seeing some of your work!
Tattoo Dave
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Thanks for the welcome. The type of mahogany is Sapele. The guy at the lumber yard said it was similar to hickory. IsIit even useable? And this is my first bow attempt.
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I'm not really sure about sapele to be honest. I've never used it. I just make it a habit to steer clear of mahogany in general. Maybe someone else has some experience with it. Hickory would be a way better wood, but there's so many good woods out there.
Dave
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I know more about trees than I do about making bows (which isn't saying much really :P)
Sapele is in the same family as mahogany, and somewhat similar apparently, but as far as I can tell it isn't a proper mahogany, but as has been mentioned, that is probably an advantage because mahogany isn't a very good bow wood.
Sapele looks like it might be much better as a bow wood. If you look at the density, elasticity and strength, it's about the same as hard maple. But then again woods within the same species can be very different depending on lots of factors.
I'd say it might not actually be too bad (given it isn't a proper mahogany if it's Sapele.)
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That is a big question to answer. I recommend you order a copy of the bowyers bible volume 1, or better yet, 1 - 4, and start digging into those guys.
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First off, welcome ! Now the guy at the lumber yard probably wasn't saying its similar to hickory in bow making
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My advice would be to steer well clear of that guys advice.....
Sapelle is NOTHING like hickory is any way!? ::)
Purpleheart will work for a belly but it is a better core wood.
If you want to make a laminated bow then you need a good belly wood. Ipe is the obvious choice. Google 'ipe decking suppliers' to find some.
Then you need a good backing wood. Hickory, white oak, ash, bamboo are all very good. Again google will help you find something suitable. The most important thing is very straight grain.
You could use your purpleheart as a core wood.
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I agree with Mike....I have a garage floor full of the stuff, (SAPALE) maybe good for cabinets, handle build ups, and maybe a power lam, but that's it in my opinion.
VMB
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So would it be possible to make a scotch broom bow backed with purple-heart and a handle made out of sapele? If it is how would you go about building it?
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No. Mike gave a list of good backings. Two posts up.
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So I could use purple heart as a belly for scotch broom? Or I could use bamboo as a scotch broom backing?
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No. Mike gave a list of good backings. Two posts up.
+1. You've been given some great advice. Also, welcome!
Your question is very broad. and encompasses a vast amount of information. Entire books have been written on the subject of your question. I think you need to do some research, as toomanyknots has suggested.
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Then you need a good backing wood. Hickory, white oak, ash, bamboo are all very good.
This a is a good list of all the backing materials that matter. Yes, there are a few more. But these are rock solid proven backings. So no, scotchbroom isn't a good backing. Back your purple heart with one of the above woods.
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throw in hard maple as a backer, it works great
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throw in hard maple as a backer, it works great
A big 'ole +1
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Thank you everyone for the welcome and the help.
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yep adb, I like hard maple way better than hickory for a backer
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Welcome. In my opinion, you should get a knotty, knarly piece of Osage to make your first bow. No joke here. I learned more that way than anything else. A board bow, maybe, to learn tillering, but hit a knarly Osage and learn some problem solving. With the help of the fine folks here, and there are many a good self bowyers here, you can learn a bunch in a hurry. I'll donate ya knarly ole stave if you'll post your questions and pics in here. Just message me and let me know. Best of luck. Matt
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I like to try to understand things where I can, but sometimes practical experience is the only way to really know. But, is anyone able to shed some light on why hard maple would be good, but sapele would be bad?
According to this, they are basically the same wood :P... except for rot resistance and workability.
http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/sapele/
http://www.wood-database.com/lumber-identification/hardwoods/hard-maple/
The numbers could be wrong of course, or rather, inaccurate based on lots of factors, but it would be interesting, for me, to know why the difference in preference when it comes to bow making.