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Title: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 10, 2014, 12:49:26 pm
 As I said in my "...need help..." thread this lemonwood stave was given to me by James Parker a few years ago. I knew from the start I wanted to make a classic lemonwood bow and an ALB was a traditional lemonwood bow in the 1930s and 1940s. Being that this stave is a sawn board I thought a hickory backing would be a good idea and it is also traditional.
  After getting some ideas from other members I started by adding the riser to the belly first. This is the way I used to do it but its been so long I wasn't sure. Pearlie said to do it this way so I did. I need someone to blame if it screws up.  ;D This first pic is the first dry lay-up. I wanted to be sure everything lined up well before glue-up.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB001_zps6898cc16.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB001_zps6898cc16.jpg.html)

I'm using an osage riser block. You can see in this pic that the riser's basic shape was cut out. I retained the removed wedges to help when gluing the riser to the lemonwood belly. You can see the cut lines if you look closely.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB004_zps45c07335.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB004_zps45c07335.jpg.html)

Urac is my glue of choice for this bow.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB005_zps95da3115.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB005_zps95da3115.jpg.html)

I mixed up the Urac glue using the volume method; 2 parts of the liquid and one part of the dry. After sanding the glue surfaces on my belt sander with course belt I brushed the dust off and buttered both glue surfaces, put them together and added the clamps. I used the retained wedges to give me a flat clamping area for better clamping.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB006_zps13faaf4f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB006_zps13faaf4f.jpg.html)
 
The belly/riser glue up then went into the hot box for a few hours at about 120 deg. After it came out of the hot box I let it rest until this morning to insure it had completely cooled.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB007_zpsb19bf709.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB007_zpsb19bf709.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Danzn Bar on January 10, 2014, 12:54:30 pm
I'm going to enjoy following this one.
DBar
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 10, 2014, 01:04:08 pm
 This morning I removed the clamps and went back to the belt sander to clean up the sides and to prep the backing and belly for glue-up. I got both glue surfaces ground flat and slightly tapered the hickory backing from the handle area out to the tips.
 Pearlie gave me a tip to prevent the back/belly from slipping around while adding the clamps(in my case tire tube bands). He told me to drill 2 holes through the backing and slightly into the belly at the center of the handle area. I clamped the backing to the belly so they were properly lined up and drilled two 1/8" holes. Then I cut 2 small pieces of 1/8" dowel, sanded it a bit so it fit into the holes easily but with no slack. I can already see how much tis will help.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB008_zpsfbdc939f.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB008_zpsfbdc939f.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB009_zps8c9beca9.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB009_zps8c9beca9.jpg.html)

...and this is where I stand now. I have the glue surfaces prepped, the alignment pegs in place so now it is time for the glue-up. I'll take pic as I go and post more later after the glue-up is ready to be worked again.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Parnell on January 10, 2014, 01:19:16 pm
Do you know if Degame can grow here in S. Florida, Pat?  I mean, Cuba ain't too far away.  Or is there some type of soil/elevation issue? 

Looks like it is going to be a very fun build.  I'll be watching.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: DuBois on January 10, 2014, 01:28:28 pm
I am a little intimidated by the idea of a wood backing and will be watching this closely  ;) ;). Cool idea on the dowels.
How do you guys get the surfaces so perfectly flat?
Thanks, Marco
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 10, 2014, 01:33:39 pm
Boards come that way Doobs.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: criveraville on January 10, 2014, 01:34:13 pm
Thanks for the pics Pat. Will be watching this come together  ;)

Cipriano
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 10, 2014, 01:57:51 pm
I am going to be waiting not so patiently to see more.  Looking great so far Pat.  :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Jesse on January 10, 2014, 03:09:03 pm
Looking good pat. I would just use a little masking tape to hold parts for clamping but those pins should work fine :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: mikekeswick on January 10, 2014, 03:10:26 pm
Bandsaw and either a belt sander or a drum sander for preping laminates.
Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Del the cat on January 10, 2014, 03:28:33 pm
Your bench looks a tad tidy... I have some spare junk. I can PM you some if you like ::)
Del
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 10, 2014, 03:30:24 pm
Steve, Degame also grows in a few places in Central America too but I don't know the soil type, altitude or any of it's requirements.
 Dubois, Like Pearlie said the belly and backing strips are sawn board. I smooth the gluing surfaces on my 6"x48" table top bely sander. I have a real course belt on it so it eats wood fast. This is also good prep for the glue surfaces because it gives you fresh wood to glue to plus minute grooves lengthwise from the course grit for more glue surface area. I good brush off with a stiff brush will remove the dust and ready for the glue.
...and speaking of glue...I began the glue-up. I mixed up the glue and evenly spread it on the hickory backing first then the belly
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB011_zps0ad111a7.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB011_zps0ad111a7.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB010_zpsdbec0a25.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB010_zpsdbec0a25.jpg.html)

Then I mated the two laminates, inserted the dowel alignment dowels, aligned and clamped the tips and began wrapping the limbs, one at a time.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB012_zpsddda9521.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB012_zpsddda9521.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB013_zpsbb3cafcc.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB013_zpsbb3cafcc.jpg.html)

Once both limbs were wrapped (did I mention how messy this can be. rubber gloves and lots of news paper are necessary) I placed the glue-up on the form(see my form Chris).  I clamped the ends of the riser again and used the wedges like before. I then drew the glue-up into reflex with a large "C" clamp to just over 3/4" of reflex added.

  Once everything was in good shape I took the glue-up, form and all to the hot box. I had the box preheated to a little over 110deg(F). Once in the box I placed aluminum foil over the glue-up where the lights are so I don't get hot spots. I also have a small fan in the box to keep the temp even and circulating. Here she will sit for about 2 hours. Then I will let everything cool slowly before I take the glue-up our and it will be a day or so before I take it off the form.

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB015_zpsd48ecde8.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB015_zpsd48ecde8.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB016_zps1f6269e4.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB016_zps1f6269e4.jpg.html)
 
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 10, 2014, 03:39:18 pm
Del, I cleaned it up some for the glue-up and pictorial.  ::)
  Jesse, I just had to try something new and I liked the results.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: adb on January 10, 2014, 03:42:42 pm
I am a little intimidated by the idea of a wood backing and will be watching this closely  ;) ;). Cool idea on the dowels.
How do you guys get the surfaces so perfectly flat?
Thanks, Marco

Thickness sander.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: blackhawk on January 10, 2014, 04:29:01 pm
Good thing ya started a new thread cus I had cluttered  up your other one with a bunch of worthless junk  :laugh:

So far so good :) .... hard to beat an alb....those ole timers knew a good thing ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 10, 2014, 04:35:16 pm
I agree about the ALB Chris. I need to make more.
 That wasn't clutter...no more than the other posts.  ;)   Since folks asked for a build along I thought I'd start a fresh new thread.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 10, 2014, 09:41:52 pm
Thanks Pat.  Learning even more.  I need to do a glue up bow.  Now I might have the push I need.  I have a quarter sawn piece of sycamore that I want to back with walnut but have been hesitant.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: DuBois on January 10, 2014, 11:16:48 pm
Boards come that way Doobs.

Doohh!!  :o
It is making sense now ::)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 11, 2014, 11:03:20 am
She's out of the oven(last night), has cooled over night and now off the form and unwrapped. She holds about 1/4" of reflex. The next step is to clean up the sides to inside the lines, give her a good looking over and get ready to start tillering. I'll take some more pics after I clean her up.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Badly Bent on January 11, 2014, 03:42:28 pm
Good build along with pics Pat. A glue up is something I've never attempted yet and know little about it myself. The steps your taking along with the pics and explanations all make good sense and make it look less intimidating. This will be very helpful to a lot of us watching it come together. Some cool tricks like saving the wedges for clamping and using the pins at the handle. Thanks for posting this and keep it coming, this is interesting to follow.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Don Case on January 11, 2014, 04:23:46 pm
When I started on here about 6 months ago there was a couple of threads that I read about glued on risers "always" popping off. Since then I have seen 2 or 3 threads with people gluing risers on. Did I miss an earth shaking advancement in glue, or have I missed something else?
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 11, 2014, 05:18:34 pm
Don, as long as the riser is above the plain of the limbs and the handle area is stiff enough not to bend a handle riser will stay put. It is not a glue issue, it is a bending handle issue that causes handles to pop off.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Don Case on January 11, 2014, 05:30:02 pm
Does the riser contribute to that stiffness? I guess not, cause that would make it a glue issue, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 11, 2014, 06:52:26 pm
The problem is the riser is stiff and if the handle area of the belly flexes at all the riser pops off. The riser and glue line add a lot of stiffness but having that section of the belly slat thicker also helps. I like starting with 3/4" thick stock and reduce the fades and limbs. This keeps the plane of the limbs below the handle so they bend while the handle area remains stiff.
 If your belly slat is thinner you can add a power lam between the back and belly to stiffen the handle area.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 11, 2014, 10:28:46 pm
Here she is after she has cooled overnight.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB003_zps196774f2.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB003_zps196774f2.jpg.html)

 I loosened the clamps and unwrapped the bands. Once released she still holds about 1/4" of reflex.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB004_zps9ba912a4.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB004_zps9ba912a4.jpg.html)

 back to the belt sander to clean up the sides then ground down to the lines. I've rounded the back edges and sanded the back. I'll get some more pics tomorrow.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 11, 2014, 10:34:54 pm
Looking great Pat. 
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: SLIMBOB on January 11, 2014, 10:35:08 pm
Great post Pat B.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 12, 2014, 04:16:57 pm
I got her cleaned up on the belt sander, getting the excess glue off and bringing her to the profile lines. I then started reducing the belly and blending the riser into the limbs...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB001_zpsf4e59c29.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB001_zpsf4e59c29.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB003_zpsd8cd3c2d.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB003_zpsd8cd3c2d.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB005_zpsf16c0acf.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB005_zpsf16c0acf.jpg.html)
  Don, you can see in these pics how the riser sits above the plane of the limbs. When done this one will be at least 1/4" above the limb. This is what keeps the handle area from flexing thus popping the riser off.
  Before reducing the limb thickness I mark a line along both sides of each limb. I bring the limb thickness to these line, smooth it up and check the bend. If still stiff I put another line down the sides of the limbs and reduce the belly to that line and check the bend. Once I get some tip movement it time to start using only a scraper to tiller.
That's all for today. More later...
 I've had her on the long string and have started flexing the limbs. I realized that the hickory backing should be reduced in thickness because it looks like the belly thickness will get too thin while tillering and she is almost too narrow to reduce the width. I carefully put it on the belt sander and reduced it to about 1/8" and may go thinner later. I did eave the backing thicker over the handle though.
  (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB006_zpsed1e3c90.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB006_zpsed1e3c90.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: mwosborn on January 12, 2014, 08:05:12 pm
Thanks for sharing Pat - perfect timing as I am planning on trying my first lamination bow.  How thick is the hickory backing?

Mitch
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: burchett.donald on January 12, 2014, 09:21:00 pm
 Looking good Pat, I like how you left the extra meat under the handle to keep it from bending 8)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Peacebow_Coos on January 12, 2014, 11:23:15 pm
Looks like an awesome project thanks for sharing your progress
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 12, 2014, 11:24:22 pm
Mitch, 1/8" is plenty thick and you can go less. Good luck with your first.
 Thanks guys.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Don Case on January 13, 2014, 01:30:11 am
  Don, you can see in these pics how the riser sits above the plane of the limbs. When done this one will be at least 1/4" above the limb. This is what keeps the handle area from flexing thus popping the riser off.

Got it now! Thanks Pat
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: simson on January 13, 2014, 07:10:02 am
Thanks for posting, Pat. I'm watching!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pappy on January 13, 2014, 08:12:47 am
Looking very good so far Pat,wished I could help,but this is out of my league. Watching close tho. ;) :)
  Pappy
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Jesse on January 13, 2014, 09:59:13 am
Looks great Pat.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Parnell on January 13, 2014, 11:57:00 am
That transition looks mighty fine, Mr. Brennan!  Gonna be a good one.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 13, 2014, 12:11:56 pm
How did the dowels work Pat? Did you see a favorable change in your glue up?
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 13, 2014, 06:09:08 pm
Pearlie, the dowels worked like a champ. Best thing since sliced bread. With the dowels at the handle and small clamps at the tips the backing didn't move at all while I wrapped the glue-up.
 Pappy, this feels alien to me. I used to do more backed bows but my heart is with selfbows.
 Thanks all.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Jesse on January 16, 2014, 05:39:21 pm
how's it coming Pat? We need an update ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2014, 05:53:51 pm
I worked on her a little today. On the long string now but soon should have low brace. Just haven't had much time to work on her.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Catahoula on January 16, 2014, 08:20:44 pm
Hi Pat,
Really enjoying this...first bow I ever shot was lemonwood...nice to see this one coming along...when I saw that sunny window I thought you got a new shop!  Then you must have moved back to the basement in the last pic.  Stay warm!
Rand
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 16, 2014, 08:29:09 pm
Rough, dirty work in the basement, Rand and cleaner work in the sun room.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: burn em up chuck on January 16, 2014, 08:55:20 pm
    looks very cool, keep the pictures commin

                                          chuck
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 17, 2014, 12:01:50 am
I just checked the reflex. It has gained some. I glued in 3/4" and ended up with 1/4" off the form. As I reduce the belly the reflex is increasing. It is sitting at 1 1/4" now.  My goal was a flap profile when shot in.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 19, 2014, 06:17:31 pm
I got a little more done this weekend. After a bit of scraping and exercising I got her braced. This isn't the first low brace but is not full brace height...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood001_zps0517c2cb.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood001_zps0517c2cb.jpg.html)

I marked the string track at the tips...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood003_zps0f33301b.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood003_zps0f33301b.jpg.html)

...and added tip overlays. I went with osage on the bottom and lemonwood on top, glued them with TBIII and rubberband clamps...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood005_zpsaecfdeb9.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood005_zpsaecfdeb9.jpg.html)

After the glue dried I shaped the tips...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood003_zpsec53622b.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood003_zpsec53622b.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood004_zpsd73282c3.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood004_zpsd73282c3.jpg.html)

Here she is. Not finished yet. I still have to reduce the weight some. I figured she's about 70#@26" now. My next session I'll have her down to 50#-55#@26" where I want her to be.  The rubberbands are holding the leather arrow rest on til the glue dries. I'll then shape it to fit my hand.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/hickorybackedlemonwood001_zps11b81a1d.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/hickorybackedlemonwood001_zps11b81a1d.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: burchett.donald on January 19, 2014, 06:21:09 pm
  Looking good Pat.... 8)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on January 19, 2014, 07:11:08 pm
Sweet work so far Pat.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: bushboy on January 19, 2014, 07:32:46 pm
slick looking tips! 8)!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Catahoula on January 19, 2014, 07:50:32 pm
Hey Pat,

Them tips are right sexy!  Nice looking bow...:)

Rand
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: bubby on January 19, 2014, 09:28:04 pm
Looking good Pat, I like it
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: toomanyknots on January 19, 2014, 09:40:11 pm
Looking good, reminds me of sapwood backed osage,  :).
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 19, 2014, 09:58:26 pm
Looking great Pat.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Arrowind on January 19, 2014, 10:07:35 pm
Look'n goooood.  Thanks for doing this. 
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 19, 2014, 11:14:56 pm
Thanks guys. I' looking forward to putting a few arrows through her to see how she performs. I'll have to get the weight down some first.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: ohma2 on January 20, 2014, 10:08:19 am
lookin good pat.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Josh B on January 20, 2014, 11:09:11 am
That's shaping up quite nicely Pat!  I can certainly appreciate you using the classic design with this combination.  I really like that!  Josh
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Danzn Bar on January 20, 2014, 05:56:50 pm
Look'n fine.........can't wait for more....
DBar
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 21, 2014, 03:58:24 pm
I had a chance to do a bit more work lately. I shaped the arrow rest and added a leather overlay to fill out the back of the handle...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB001_zpsdfa0f263.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB001_zpsdfa0f263.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB002_zpsc9859ea7.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB002_zpsc9859ea7.jpg.html)

  I've reduced the weight to 55#@25" for now. I'll try to sweat off a pound or two by leaving her braced(5", full brace is around 6.5")for a few hours, check the weight and adjust as necessary. Here she is at 5" brace height...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB004_zps37f7ff9c.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB004_zps37f7ff9c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Parnell on January 21, 2014, 04:19:11 pm
Lookin good Pat!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 21, 2014, 04:21:37 pm
Yeah Steve, she's coming along. Thanks
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Jesse on January 21, 2014, 04:26:36 pm
Looking great.  :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Will H on January 21, 2014, 07:39:49 pm
Looks awesome so far Pat! Can't wait to see her all slicked up!!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Catahoula on January 21, 2014, 08:17:42 pm
Pat,

Looking really nice...I gotta build a place to work in the winter and hot summer...BTW...stay warm for the next few days...looks like I need to get the woodstove going down here in the sunny flatlands!

Rand
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 23, 2014, 11:37:05 am
I took her out and put a dozen arrow through her. She shoots right where I'm looking but she is a little shocky. I'll reduce the tips some more and see if that helps. I still have to drop her weight a bit more too.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: ajooter on January 30, 2014, 10:25:07 am
Hows she comin along?...i had to go way to far back to find this post btw  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 30, 2014, 11:02:25 am
Just waiting for her prom dress.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on January 30, 2014, 11:37:55 am
I can't wait Pat.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Shamusrobert on January 30, 2014, 03:32:58 pm
Gidday pat, new member here I'm building my first lam board bow so have watching this one keenly. Mine is a little shocky also.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 30, 2014, 03:51:40 pm
Welcome to PA Shamus. Try to get the tips as narrow as you can. Removing the excess physical weight will help reduce the shock.
  Please post pics of your bow. Either start a new thread or post it right here.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Shamusrobert on January 30, 2014, 04:16:04 pm
Ok pat will do, I'm a bit nervous to make the tips as some of you guys on here do.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 30, 2014, 04:20:57 pm
If the tips are 1/2" thick you can narrow them to 3/8" or less. Try narrowing them a little at a time and test to be sure they aren't bending.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Shamusrobert on January 30, 2014, 07:08:12 pm
Thanks for that pat. Look forward to seeing your bow all dressed up. :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Catahoula on January 30, 2014, 07:35:07 pm
Hi Pat,

I look forward to seeing the "Prom Dress"...wonder what color you will choose?

Rand
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on January 30, 2014, 08:12:00 pm
Simple but elegant, Rand.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: ajooter on January 30, 2014, 08:40:38 pm
If she doesn't like her dress....cause you know how women can never make up their minds....I have a piece of tanned gator skin that she could try on ;-)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 10:51:17 am
The prom dress came I(Thanks Cipriano) and she's all dolled up and ready for the prom. Here are a few pics for your viewing pleasure.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB002_zps5da0ba4a.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB002_zps5da0ba4a.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB001_zps7ad8b637.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB001_zps7ad8b637.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB003_zps14b9de69.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB003_zps14b9de69.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB004_zps0709f600.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB004_zps0709f600.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB007_zpsc8dabd8e.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB007_zpsc8dabd8e.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 10:58:17 am
Here are a few more. Note her name. If you want to get a good close up view of her she will be on the raffle table at this years Tennessee Classic. I'm donating this "Classic" style bow to Twin Oaks Bowhunters to help them raise funds for the Classic and as appreciation to Pappy and all the members of Twin Oaks.  She will be escorted by 3 poplar arrows I made just for her.
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB005_zpsaf87570a.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB005_zpsaf87570a.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB006_zpsefde277a.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB006_zpsefde277a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: ajooter on February 26, 2014, 11:00:47 am
I was gonna ask you where she was?!  Great look with the skins and hemp handle!  You got a full draw comin?
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 11:02:12 am
I'll get a full draw pic an a pic of the snake skin backing soon. The snake was a road killed coachwhip from Cipriano. Thanks amigo. The handle wrap is brown hemp cordage from Wal-Mart that I will saturate with Massey finish. She pulls 54#@26"
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pappy on February 26, 2014, 11:05:11 am
Dang Pat,that baby turned out nice and what a sweet suprise, ???now it's going to cost me a bunch of money. ;) Thanks so much,outstanding work and very Classy bow for sure. :) :) :)
 Pappy
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: PEARL DRUMS on February 26, 2014, 11:17:21 am
Love that classic shape Pat! Ive fallen in love with straight bows all over again the last few months.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 11:42:58 am
Pappy, this is the least thing I can do for you and the Twin Oaks gang. You guys go all out for the rest of us, it is a pleasure to help y'all out when I can.
Thanks Pearlie, these classic bows are becoming some of my favorites too.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: BOWMAN53 on February 26, 2014, 12:26:30 pm
that looks awesome pat, great work as always.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Buckeye Guy on February 26, 2014, 12:38:19 pm
She looks just about perfect from here Pat !
Guy
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 01:11:30 pm
Thanks Jordan and Guy. She was fun to build. I was pretty careful not knowing what to expect from my first lemonwood experience and I think that care paid off. 
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on February 26, 2014, 01:14:22 pm
Very elangant Pat.  There is nothing like a classic bent stick man.  I like it a lot.  Some day I will make it out there for the classic with the fam.  It's just a pretty far journey :).  Very nice of you to donate her.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: simson on February 26, 2014, 03:01:42 pm
Come out great, Pat!
Nice work all around, those tip overlays are sharp!!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: bubby on February 26, 2014, 03:31:46 pm
I just have one word for this Pat, DAMN, gonna be the prettiest girl at the prom, bub
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: okie64 on February 26, 2014, 03:59:31 pm
That turned out great Pat! Good gesture donating it to Twin Oaks.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: criveraville on February 26, 2014, 05:54:10 pm
Amazing!!  Just amazing.  I love everything about this bow.  Classic look and sweet curves.  I am glad that skin worked out.  I love that subtle look of the coachwhip...  Cipriano
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 26, 2014, 11:48:33 pm
If you have ever been to the Tenn Classic you will know why I donate something every year. It is a very cheap payment for being able to enjoy such a beautiful setting with such great folks.
 Cipriano, I also love the subtle look of the coachwhip also. This is my second bow with coachwhip skins.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Badly Bent on February 27, 2014, 12:13:41 am
Finished up nicely Pat, a handsome bow. Gonna have to get myself some tickets in the can for a chance at that one, a fine afb of lemonwood will be a real nice prize for someone.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pappy on February 27, 2014, 06:09:48 am
Had to look again to be sure I wasn't dreaming,you generosity is over whelming. :)
Thanks again,it is a beauty.  :)
  Pappy
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: ohma2 on February 27, 2014, 10:15:51 am
thats one good looker pat, timeless simplicity.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on February 27, 2014, 10:43:40 am
Is there a way to get raffle tickets all the way out here in Idaho :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 27, 2014, 10:47:45 am
Thanks ohma. I've always been a fan of timeless simplicity.  8)
 Pappy my generosity doesn't come close to the generosity you guys at Twin Oaks present to all that come to the Classic. If I could do more I would.  ;)  Don't forget to put me to work when we get to Twin Oaks on the Tuesday before the Classic.
  Matt, I'm sure we can work something out.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: IdahoMatt on February 27, 2014, 10:50:11 am
Just let me know Pat
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: swamp yeti on February 27, 2014, 02:54:32 pm
Dang Pat that is real nice makes me want to make one out of my lemonwood.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on February 27, 2014, 03:03:48 pm
Thanks Yeti. I got this from James Parker so it might be some of yours anyway.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on March 07, 2014, 05:51:39 pm
Well, I finally got a full draw pic today. Here we are...
(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB001_zps4b7b926a.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB001_zps4b7b926a.jpg.html)

(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/lemonwoodALB002_zps078d0b70.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/lemonwoodALB002_zps078d0b70.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: BOWMAN53 on March 07, 2014, 06:24:38 pm
amazing.
i really liked the coachwhip skins i used too.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: 4est Trekker on March 07, 2014, 06:32:28 pm
Nice, Pat!  Not only a "classic" for the Classic, but "classy" to boot! :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: adb on March 07, 2014, 07:15:39 pm
 Nice bow, Pat! Great to see you making a laminated bow!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: koan on March 07, 2014, 07:59:35 pm
Alright.. Everybody put your tickets in the can but just know im gonna win that bow  8)... I already know how well Pats bows shoot and im anxious for another, lol... Seriously tho... Im gonna win that bow!.... Brian
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: criveraville on March 07, 2014, 10:33:09 pm
Excellent job Pat! A classic for the Classic ;)

Cipriano
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: burchett.donald on March 08, 2014, 02:06:26 am
Nice work Pat...You made lemonaid out of lemon  8) Looks like a smooth shooter...Someone's going to be fortunate to receive that...
                                                                                                   Don
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Little John on March 08, 2014, 03:47:19 am
Great bow and build along Pat. Lots of good info and a beautiful and classic bow. Super generous as always with the donation. I will be needing some tickets, wish I could make the trip.   Ken
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: DuBois on March 08, 2014, 10:06:09 am
Very nice Pat! Sure hope to get to the classic someday.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Carson (CMB) on March 08, 2014, 12:22:03 pm
Great bow for a great cause.  Thanks for sharing the build Pat! 
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on March 08, 2014, 12:39:44 pm
Thanks guys. I appreciate the kind words.
 Kenneth you'll have to shorten your draw. This bow only draws 26".  ;D  I wish you could make it back east to the Classic again. I promise better accommodations next time.  ;)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 08, 2014, 02:31:25 pm
26" draw?  EXACTLY the right length for me.  Perfect coincidence?  I think not....It's meant to be!  Now just who could I trust to sign my name to the tickets if I were to send them the money, someone that would have no interest in that bow for themselves and would not be tempted. 

Drawing a perfect blank here.  I got nothing!  I seriously don't think I know anyone that wouldn't want that bow!!!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: koan on March 08, 2014, 02:40:02 pm
I would do it for ya Jdub.... but it will look abit fishy when I WIN IT...jes sayin  8).... Brian
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: JW_Halverson on March 08, 2014, 03:01:26 pm
I would do it for ya Jdub.... but it will look abit fishy when I WIN IT...jes sayin  8).... Brian

That's what I was sayin'....not sayin', just sayin'!
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on March 08, 2014, 03:09:49 pm
What are y'all saying, not saying, just saying?
 Send all monies to Pappy and if you win I'll mail the bow to you...I mean it!  ;D
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: koan on March 08, 2014, 03:12:50 pm
Lol Jdub... Pat that is really a sweet bow. I would really like to try lemonwood myself but I have no idea where to find it... Brian
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Pat B on March 08, 2014, 03:21:22 pm
Brian, James Parker gave me this lemonwood stave a few years ago.   I think there in a company on the west coast that sells lemonwood but it ain't cheep.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Dvshunter on March 08, 2014, 11:16:30 pm
Very nice pat. I may have to put a few tickets 8 that can and give brian a run for his money.  That's just my draw too. We'll done.
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: Jesse on March 09, 2014, 10:24:35 am
That came out awesome pat.  Someone is going to be very lucky. Great gesture :)
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: MWirwicki on March 09, 2014, 01:30:41 pm
Just stumbled on this thread, Pat.  Work's getting in the way - big time.  Nice build on this bow.  That old profile is still about as sexy as they come.  Good on ya!  Gonna have to spend a few bucks now on tickets!  Watch out, Pappy!  >:D
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: bubby on March 10, 2014, 01:25:31 am
how much are the tickets gonna be, if I won it i'd let pat and pappy give it to some deserving soul, not my draw length
Title: Re: 68" hickory backed Lemonwood ALB(with pics)
Post by: simson on March 10, 2014, 04:39:07 am
That came out great, Pat. What a nice stick - I like it.