Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Brian Hoffer on January 15, 2014, 05:38:06 pm
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I saw this stave on eBay and could not resist getting it.
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a534/brianjhoffer/IMG_20140114_220900_zpsaead0de4.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/brianjhoffer/media/IMG_20140114_220900_zpsaead0de4.jpg.html)
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a534/brianjhoffer/IMG_20140114_220910_zps26cc8132.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/brianjhoffer/media/IMG_20140114_220910_zps26cc8132.jpg.html)
(http://i1282.photobucket.com/albums/a534/brianjhoffer/IMG_20140114_221125_zps2244eff5.jpg) (http://s1282.photobucket.com/user/brianjhoffer/media/IMG_20140114_221125_zps2244eff5.jpg.html)
So, buying it was the easy part :P Those knots on the back make me a bit nervous, but I am up for a challenge. Right now, I am thinking I will keep pretty long (stave is 70") and make it bend in the handle - or pretty close to it. Everything I read says ERC should be backed, so I am thinking sinew. I found this post and appears to be along the lines of what I am thinking:
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=30518.0 (http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php?topic=30518.0)
However, if anyone has other ideas I am all ears. It was cut in December, so I have plenty of time to decide while it seasons ;)
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I love eastern red cedar as much as the next guy, but that stave looks more like firewood than it does bow wood to me. ERC is notoriously tension weak, so I'm not sure any amount of backing can compensate for those huge knots. But maybe you'll prove me wrong...
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The knots will certainly pose a challenge. Laying it out will be a challenge in itself - I don't think you will be able to cut through any of those knots and leave them on the edge of the limb - will just cause problems. Any knots you keep in your layout will need to be kept intact and you have to follow the grain around them. Sounds fun!!! I like erc bows.
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Wow that's some pretty wood
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R-A-W-H-I-D-E that baby. That's what I would do. Definitely use every inch of length. I say go for it. An english longbow is the best bet for getting the least bit of knot in the profile I would think. Even then, erc will be wider (and thicker) than normal at the same weight of more common bow woods. You want to try to get as little knot in the profile as possible. The sapwood looks quite thin for erc. Usually it is much thicker, for me anyhow.
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wow if them staves like that sell on the auction site im bout to make a killin! >:D I've got a real clean one im gettin ready to start playin with. not sure if id be up for the challenge of that stave just yet. good luck
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How wide is the stave?
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Thanks for the replies and suggestions!
@echatham: I have bought all my staves on eBay thus far. Most are of better quality (i.e. less knotty) than this one, but I just loved the marbled pattern of the light and dark wood. My photo doesn't show too well just how purple the dark wood is either.
@Blaflair2: The dimensions of the stave are 70.5 " long, 2.5" high, and 3" wide
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Don't forget the safety glasses, helmet and athletic cup. ;D
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Brian yeah i was just makin a joke, but you probably knew that. we got alot of it here and it all looks about like that stave. cleaner ones are harder to come by. the one im working on has a very similar marbled sap wood in the heartwood thing going on. very cool. would be very intrested to see this one come along, as im still data gathering for mine.... never played with ERC before.
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I know where there's tons of it around here, this stuff is in a big hedge row so there's a lot without branches for 5 or 6'
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Don't forget the safety glasses, helmet and athletic cup. ;D
I hate to say it, but I would add body armour to that Pat. I've been studying the pics and I honestly see no feasible layout on this stave. I won't say it can't be done, but i wouldn't try it. The only way I would would be to mill it into a board and back it with a hardwood backing strip. Something that i have yet to do. I'm afraid I will be of little help on this one. Best of luck to you. Josh
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Make a box out of. Better piece for crafts than for a bow. You would do better with a different stave...JMHO...
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Erc is tension weak wood and likely to break even without knots on the back of it, your stave has huge knots making it a great candidate for an even more sudden explosion. I am a carpenter and have worked with tons of erc building cabinets, flooring, and chests but I have never made a bow from it so take my 2 cents for what its worth. Btw, Im pretty sure that bow you posted the link to broke not long after Ryan posted it. Maybe Ryan will chime in about it. Not trying to be discouraging to ya but If you are really wanting to make a bow from erc then I would try to find a cleaner piece than the one you have.
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I'm with Pat and Gun Doc,good luck with that one. ERC scares me anyway/even clean/ but that one really scares me. :) It would make a beautiful walking stick tho. ;) :)
Pappy
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Thanks for all the replies, I really appreciate the advice and warnings! I have decided against attempting a bow with this, but will certainly not allow such a beautiful piece of wood to go to waste. I am thinking of using the bottom section that is knot-free and trying to make a native american style flute. With the top portion I plan to make a bow rack for my wall. Will post pictures of course as it comes along.
thanks again!
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I've made several fine bows of ERC and love it a lot, but that would be very tough. Good idea with the rack and flute.
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I swear I saw this ones sister on ebay. I'm a sucker for ERC but man that is pushing it :o
Sure is pretty though.
Welcome Brian,
Doobs
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Make sure to clear any knots that are not stable, ANY rotten knots can and will kill the bow. Also i do think that TMK is right, with that many big knots i would suggest an elb style because ive had issues with knots before.