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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: seminolewind on January 27, 2014, 03:19:59 am

Title: Matched set of Gunther Barbed points...
Post by: seminolewind on January 27, 2014, 03:19:59 am
Heres my latest set of points, and most challenging to date. These are all within 5 grains of 65gr. They are all made from various Texas rocks with exception of the the orange one being heat treated Flint Ridge. These all came from small spalls two were from big flakes. Now...what to do with em?

Hope ya'll enjoy Lookin at them as much as I enjoyed making them !
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Post by: JackCrafty on January 27, 2014, 03:26:40 am
Doesn't get any sweeter than that!!  :)
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Post by: Crogacht on January 27, 2014, 04:34:26 am
Man those are nice... I've never knapped anything, but I'm thinking I might have to start.
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Post by: JEB on January 27, 2014, 07:42:53 am
As my favorite actor used to say, "holy  crap".  solid talent.
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Post by: Bone pile on January 27, 2014, 08:35:36 am
Very nice ,you sure caught the bug.
roger
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Post by: Stringman on January 27, 2014, 09:46:28 am
Very nice symmetry on those. They look great!
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Post by: lostarrow on January 27, 2014, 09:55:09 am
Most impressive! Your skills and talent are certainly showcased in this set. There's always someone looking for points on the trading section.You never know what someone might offer up for those beauties! 
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Post by: Outbackbob48 on January 27, 2014, 10:21:48 am
Perfection +
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Post by: seminolewind on January 27, 2014, 10:28:06 am
Most impressive! Your skills and talent are certainly showcased in this set. There's always someone looking for points on the trading section.You never know what someone might offer up for those beauties!

Thought about posting these in the trading post section but doubt that I could get my money's worth out of them. These took so much work and I broke a couple on the way. If I did trade it would have to be something pretty good otherwise ill just hang on to them.
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Post by: Trapper Rob on January 27, 2014, 11:11:37 am
Elijah I think they would look sweet right in the middle of a case the way you have them in a circle.
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Post by: GlisGlis on January 27, 2014, 01:26:44 pm
Man you're an artist. pure art
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Post by: Tower on January 27, 2014, 01:52:18 pm
I'm speachless
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Post by: Mohawk13 on January 27, 2014, 02:27:07 pm
I am always amazed at the symetry you get on a set of points....If You need a job when You get back, contact me....
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Post by: Parnell on January 27, 2014, 03:17:26 pm
Holy cow, I think that last picture needs to be my new desktop background.
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Post by: Jodocus on January 27, 2014, 03:31:13 pm
Sweet goodness, these are  :o really matching!
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Post by: Easternarcher on January 27, 2014, 04:04:21 pm
It's almost hard to believe that those are hand-made! :o
Incredible work!!!
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Post by: stickbender on January 27, 2014, 05:31:01 pm

     All the above!  Sheesh!  Holy Molly!  Son of a b@#!$% !!  :o :o  Man those are just absolutely beautiful! 8) 8)  What to do with them?! ???   Put some cotton in an Altoids tin, and gently place them in that, cover them with more cotton, gently close the lid, and put a rubber band around that, and if they won't all fit safely in one tin, use another one.  Then Pm me for my address.  Pretty simple huh? ;)  ;D ;D ;D ::)  Definitely put them in a display case, in the circle pattern, you have shown here.  I have only made a couple of Gunther style points, and each and every time, just as I was getting excited about being able to do one, one side would break off, and I would end up with a ..... uh..... fishing arrow head.  Yeah, that was what I was trying for .... yeah, a fishing arrow head. ;)  Phenomenal points, and skill! ;)  thanks for sharing.

                                                                                Wayne
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Post by: seminolewind on January 27, 2014, 10:37:50 pm
Hey y'all thanks for the kind words ! "Stick bender" haha fresh out of altiod boxes ! I broke a couple during this process too nothing worse than snapping a little tip off! In this case even a tiny tip or barb breaking made it not worthy of the set. Talk about some colorful language when that happens !!!
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Post by: seminolewind on January 27, 2014, 11:10:11 pm
I am always amazed at the symetry you get on a set of points....If You need a job when You get back, contact me....

Out of curiosity what job you offering? ::)
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Post by: Badly Bent on January 27, 2014, 11:18:06 pm
Scary nice set of points Seminole, real beauties.
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Post by: Gus on January 28, 2014, 03:07:15 am
Damn it Man!

They're Beautiful!

I definitely wouldn't waste em on a Deer or Hog.
And Hell, if I was gonna point one at somebody...
They'd have to Earn It...

 >:D

-gus
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Post by: seminolewind on January 28, 2014, 03:14:20 am
Damn it Man!

They're Beautiful!

I definitely wouldn't waste em on a Deer or Hog.
And Hell, if I was gonna point one at somebody...
They'd have to Earn It...

 >:D

Hahah had me laughing on that one !
-gus
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Post by: 1442 on January 28, 2014, 07:55:19 am
Well here's my thoughts

INCREDIBLE!!!
INCREDIBLE!!!
INCREDIBLE!!!
INCREDIBLE!!!
INCREDIBLE!!!
INCREDIBLE!!!

If I send you my pressure flaker, could you train it to do work like that for me?
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Post by: Easternarcher on January 28, 2014, 09:14:25 am
Curious about a couple of things here..
1. How long have you been knapping?
2. How often do you knapp? You seem to have the process down to a science!
3. How long does it take you to produce one point like these? I know it depends on style and material uses (I assume).
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Post by: seminolewind on January 28, 2014, 09:47:03 am
Curious about a couple of things here..
1. How long have you been knapping?
2. How often do you knapp? You seem to have the process down to a science!
3. How long does it take you to produce one point like these? I know it depends on style and material uses (I assume).

Sure...

I started knapping last year in March after returning from Afghanistan last time. I made a set of tools and started looking for rock near my house. This was about the same time I got active on this forum and realized there were a few people near me who were knappers. The first person I reached out to was Eddie "mullet" he taught me a whole lot and was kind enough to let me go through his rock stash. We would sit around drinking beer and chipping. You can ask him, I used to mess up a lot of good stone ! "Bonepile" also gave me a few good pointers when I met him.

Over here in Afghanistan I try to knapp every day but its dictated by weather or not we have missions to go on. I also wear out a lot of tools and that throws a hickup in the mix because I have to wait to get them made in the states and sent out. I also run out of rock quite frequently which sucks. Thanks to "Jackcrafty" "Mullet" and "trapper rob" and a couple other people who have graciously sent me stone, I have been able to knap out here (YOU GUYS ROCK !) There is no knappable rock that I have ever found out here in Southern AFG.

These Gunther style points are the most time consuming I have made to date, First I take a small spall and reduce it with Direct Percussion till its thin enough to notch of course then there is the serrations that take a long time the smaller they are. No joke one of these points that fought me the whole way took 3 hours lol ! (Yeah I never claimed to be fast!). One great thing that I learned about knapping here in Afghanistan is how to make the most of your rock. Some of these smaller spalls I would have thrown away back in the states but since they are all I have here I am forced to make them work. You would be suprised how with patience you can start with an oddly shaped spall no bigger than 3" and end up with a really nice point.

The best advice that works for me is stick with your principles and really take your time !
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Post by: Easternarcher on January 28, 2014, 11:40:57 am
Thanks for the response.... :)
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Post by: Dalton Knapper on January 28, 2014, 04:02:29 pm
I can't add anything that hadn't already been said. If they were mine, I'd arrange them in a circle like your picture and frame those puppies for my wall. Damn fine work!
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Post by: IdahoMatt on January 29, 2014, 12:00:39 pm
Wow man.  Great job.  Those looks very scary in the best of ways :)
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Post by: YosemiteBen on January 29, 2014, 12:45:32 pm
"CookieCutter" ;D - those are sweet! Very nice symmetry and choreography!
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Post by: Knapper on January 29, 2014, 01:02:41 pm
Started last year . No learning curve there. Wished I was that good after7 years
Knapper
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Post by: BOWMAN53 on January 29, 2014, 01:21:28 pm
good lord those are amazing.
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Post by: Thesquirrelslinger on January 30, 2014, 05:42:54 pm
How doth?
Seriously.
I really don't know how to respond.
You are one heck of a knapper.
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Post by: Gus on January 30, 2014, 09:25:22 pm
Started last year . No learning curve there. Wished I was that good after7 years
Knapper

Sheesh!
Been Working at Learning to Knapp for Two Years.
Still hoping for an "Ah Ha!" moment...
It is my Weakest Link.    :o

-gus
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Post by: Tower on January 31, 2014, 03:13:01 am
Gus that's hilarious.   I've been cooking for 41 years & wishing for an Ah Ha moment like yours.   
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Post by: iowabow on January 31, 2014, 07:47:15 am
Very very nice!
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Post by: Ahnlaashock on January 31, 2014, 03:59:22 pm
I already said it once, but it bears repeating.  You are raising a technical process, to the level of art form.  I don't make comments often on others work, but this is about the third or fourth time you have posted what is simply amazing work. 
As far as stone goes.  I would be willing to send you some.  My son just came home earlier this year for the second time.  Nothing fancy.  Just raw or mildly heat treated Burlington. 
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Post by: seminolewind on February 01, 2014, 06:50:34 am
I already said it once, but it bears repeating.  You are raising a technical process, to the level of art form.  I don't make comments often on others work, but this is about the third or fourth time you have posted what is simply amazing work. 
As far as stone goes.  I would be willing to send you some.  My son just came home earlier this year for the second time.  Nothing fancy.  Just raw or mildly heat treated Burlington.

Much appreciated man I appreciate your kind words. I am sure if goes the same with everyone else crafting things here on this forum, all the encouragement and advice from others pushes us to continue to improve and do our best. Its a really cool community we have here. I should be set on rock for the rest of my deployment with what is in the mail currently. Thank you for the generous offer. Take care of yourself !
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Post by: Ahnlaashock on February 01, 2014, 12:14:48 pm
You are welcome!  When I finish one of those, i will be happy, much less producing them like an assembly line! 
I typed a further response, and then after reading it, erased it.  Was getting to be too close to politics to post!  Keep your head down.