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Title: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 03:51:26 pm
My new bow takes about 2" of set when I first unstring it. A few hours later it's down to about 1/2". What can cause that?
Thanks
Don
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Pat B on April 26, 2014, 03:54:19 pm
Moisture?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 04:00:43 pm
That was my first guess. It is OS and it's only been drying since Aug so I am pushing it a bit. Impatience to get my first real shooter :P :P  I've kept it behind a gas stove. Since I live on the coast (RH is 70% right now) am I going to be fighting this kind of problem forever?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Pat B on April 26, 2014, 04:02:49 pm
Have you tried tempering the belly? I've not used OS s I don't know how it handles tempering.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 04:08:21 pm
Apparently it takes heat well. I hesitate to heat it as it's at the limit of what I can pull now. I'm trying to build some muscles but a guy can only eat so much spinach. Also if it is a bit wet and I heat it, it might check.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 04:18:09 pm
If it is moisture will it sort itself out as it dries?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: adb on April 26, 2014, 04:40:29 pm
My new bow takes about 2" of set when I first unstring it. A few hours later it's down to about 1/2". What can cause that?
Thanks
Don

What kind of bow is it?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Badger on April 26, 2014, 04:49:38 pm
Don, does it have a rounded or flat belly? Sometimes if a bow with a rounded belly behaves like this it is just the tension wood on the back applying a constant pressure to pull it back into shape. If this is the case you might try heat treating some reflex into it and then retillering by scrapping the crown off the belly.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 06:01:14 pm
Ocean Spray with a flat belly. I remember when I first started last summer I read a post about OS and someone said, "OS takes set."  Do some woods simply "take set" or is it always a design/dryness issue?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Accipiter on April 26, 2014, 06:13:53 pm
OS does seem to take a bit of set, for me at least, but it also responds well to heat treating since its so tension strong.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Bryce on April 26, 2014, 06:20:39 pm
It's too wet.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 06:55:11 pm
So I should be building a hot box?
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Weylin on April 26, 2014, 07:19:52 pm
You may just need to wait longer. I know that answer sucks when you're first getting into making bow because you are excited to get started. I remember what that's like. Once you get a stash going and have plenty of seasoned wood to work with it stops being a problem. If you really can't wait then you should buy a stave to work with while you wait or do a board bow.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: bubbles on April 26, 2014, 09:08:34 pm
I always thought the set a bow has when first unstrung is its "true" set.  That is the amount of set when the bow is actually in use.  The amount of set it ends up at after 2 or so hours is irrelevant as it will just return next time you string it and shoot.   
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: PatM on April 26, 2014, 10:46:45 pm
All bows show some type of creeping return to straight or whatever the original profile was. Yours is just a bit on the high end of movement.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Don Case on April 26, 2014, 11:23:47 pm
Thanks for all the replies. I've got a handle on what is happening now. I know I've been impatient and as I now have a good stockpile of OS staves plus a few yew and Crabapple and stuff I will soon be working with fully dried wood. In the meantime I have made 5 bows of more or less success so I have learned a bit of tillering. For some reason buying a stave or using a board just don't appeal to me. Independent or cheap I guess :-\ :-\  I can fill the time trying to make arrows. And once I can pull this bow I can practice shooting.
Thank
Don
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Bryce on April 27, 2014, 02:37:58 am
I was once prejudice against bows made from exotic woods and grasses. But once you make one they're quite enjoyable.
Though I still prefer my staves.

I've had OS sit for 2 yrs and still be too moist.
Just make sure when you pull it out of your hotbox you let it re-acclimate :)
Have fun bud:)

-Brycecone
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: Badger on April 27, 2014, 07:42:54 am
  Besides being properly dry we also have to make sure we have enough wood to accomplish a specific design without taking too much set.
Title: Re: What causes temporary set?
Post by: George Tsoukalas on April 27, 2014, 10:21:20 am
When the moisture content is too high, the set is usually permanent, at least it is for my bows/staves.
My bows usually show a certain amount of set when unstrung anf d then return too. Like Pat said your case shows  a bit more.
Check measurements again.
Jawge