Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: mullet on June 30, 2014, 09:07:06 pm
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Yep, what it says up top. I hate Chinese crap, especially when it is hidden behind a trusted, All American, product.
I've used Rijid wrenches for close to 40 years working on Drill rigs. If I had know that all of there electrical products were made out of Pot metal crap in China I would never had bought one of their band saws. I've bought half a dozen parts for this piece of crap from a company in Ga., Rijid doesn't sell replacement parts ::). Everytime you try adjusting something it seems like the part will break in half,not the screw or bolt, the part.
Well, The whole adjustment tensioner broke in half, again, second one. That's it! I'm pulling the motor and stand off and the rest is going in the scrap pile.
But the rainbow ;D ;D, My best friend has been borrowing my Airless Paint sprayer that is brand new that I never used, for his business. Well, he has a nice, old, American band saw with a bunch of custom made blades he inherited when his Father- in law passed away he never has used. So it looks like we are going to trade, even up and he delivers and hauls this piece of you no what off.
Oh, I'm am happy, happy. :)
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It is a sad fact that most of the time Chinese made means lesser quality
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It is sad that everybody keeps buying the crap. I wish I had paid better attention when I bought it. Found out when it broke the first part two weeks after I bought it.
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It's inexcusable that the manufacturers close down jobs here and send them overseas in order to sell cheap crap back to the unemployed former employees they can barely afford to buy. The strongest economy in North America coincidentally happened when union membership was the strongest. Andrew Carnegie, even while attempting to break the backs of the unions, stated if they paid the worker more, the worker would only spend the money. I dunno, sounds like a recipe for economic recovery!
This post is not political, this post is Economics 101, and I approve this message.
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Glad you found a solid built replacement. Can you post some pictures once you get the new old saw? I enjoy seeing old power tools.
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A good band saw is more than a tool. It gives you piece of mind. For now, my JET bandsaw is OK but when I'm rich I'm going to buy the most expensive one I can find. ;D
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Rigid saws are guaranteed for life, the one I had was a piece of C#&P and unfixable but they sent me a replacement, supposedly a rebuilt one but came missing about 1/4 of the parts. I gave it to my brother and didn't know about the missing parts, never opened the box.
He found the company would send him anything he requested but the little girls he talked to in customer service didn't know a blade guide from a motor mount so no telling what he would get in the mail.
It took him about a year to get the saw running and had to make some of the parts himself.
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Power tools now play the "name game". It was started by Black and Decker who started selling stuff by the brand name of "Dewalt". Well, Dewalt originally made mostly radial arm saws----hel-LO! Then Rigid jumped on the bandwagon but they mostly made pipethreaders and so on. But everyone knew the name (like Dewalt) and associated it with ruggedness. The latest is a bunch of Chinese tools sold under the name "Rockwell". People remember the old Rockwell International power tools (which were actually Porter Cable tools before Rockwell bought them up) and think this new Rockwell is THAT Rockwell. Nope! Rockwell International shut the doors many years ago and Boeing bought up their aerospace division. The power tools had gone back to Delta-Porter Cable. Read the label on all the "American brands". Most are made in China or other countries. Even Milwaukee which used to be American made. At least with Hitachi and Makita you know what you're getting and they make decent power tools.
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My Brother has a Grizzly table saw, and has no problems with it all. He loves it. It is made in Taiwan. Has had it for quite some time. He gave me his six inch jointer, which I have in Montana now. He never used it, as it came with the table saw as a package deal. But the piece of crap wheels, cracked in half. So when I get out there in a couple of weeks, I will have to get some wheels for it. It is only one that is actually broken in half, but I think I will just replace them all. I want to buy a nice table saw, but i can't afford the German one I want, nor the Canadian brands. What is disgusting, is the food products, the U.S. brands, that you have been buying now have food from china! Pennsylvania Dutch Boy Mushrooms, is just one example, as well as Green giant, and others. You can pick up a can, and it will say product of U.S., and the next one will say product of China! No thanks I will just buy the organic products of the U.S. ! And if it does not have a country of origin on the product, i don't buy it. I wrote to McCormick and asked why they were afraid to put the country of origin on their products, (Cayenne pepper), and they wrote back, and said that all of their products were USDA inspected. But never said where the product came from. So I wrote back and told them, that they just lost a customer, since they are afraid to name the country of origin, I am afraid to buy that product!
Wayne
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If a guy had to go out into the world and try and find a job using and wearing American made products he would leave the house naked and would have to walk barefooted.
I try my best to buy American but it is tough.
Food was mentioned above. My neighbor is a buyer for a very large store chain in Michigan and adjoining states. He flew to China to look at small fruit cups that are used for kids lunches, France for chocolate and Spain. I checked the shelf in the store a time later and sure enough the small fruit cups were on the shelf, from China.
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A lot of the companies making these tools and other consumer goods are American owned companies operating in China. And there are thousands of them.
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Amen,
Thanks for making my garden woe's seem minor Eddie.
Glad your rainbow has arrived and you are happy now 8)
Zuma
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We are selling out to cheaper labor in china and sacrificing quality in the mean time. At work all our white pigment for paint use to be made in the us from DuPont but now we get most of it from china because it's cheaper we suffer some on quality but not enough to be a deal breaker. The sad part is most of these decisions are on a corporate level and the guys that have to suffer the head ache and complaint from the customer can't do anything about it because the savings are so great. I'm starting to look to some other countries for nice tools like France they have nice rasps and I want some of those opinel pocket knives seems like all the American company's are selling out with the exception of smaller operations which they are tryin to get rid of too.
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Trade is supposed to mean we trade with other countries for products we don't have or can't make here. Like Tien Shan pears, bamboo shoots, water chestnuts, tea, and so on. But not tools or goods that factories here get closed up for and then start being made overseas and brought back here to sell. That's not really "trade", it's a carnival midway shell game. "Now you see it (your job), now you don't! (your job) Now I raise the shell, imported from China and look! Here is the pea! (your job)..."
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Eddie Pauly (Paulsemp) had nothing but problems with his 14" Rigid as well. My 14" Grizzly has been a good one. I know its not made here either.
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I think Hedgeapple has a rigid and his broke to. He had a machine shop make a new piece for it out of steel instead of pot metal.
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Clint, I can get the parts but I've had enough. I'll probably give it to someone if they want to fix itor take the stand and motor and let it power something else, like my plainer.
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I've had good luck with Grizzly. I have a table saw, band saw, bench belt/disc sander and air nail gun. The few problems I have had their tech dept worked out and when I've needed parts(mostly wear items) they were in sock and delivery was fast. I think Grizzly is a Korean company but I don't know for sure. They are an import company.
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The same part broke on my brother in laws brand new rigid band saw. The thing is junk.
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I'm starting to look to some other countries for nice tools like France they have nice rasps and I want some of those opinel pocket knives
I just bought an Opinel #12 at a pawn shop for $9. They had six of them, so I thought I'd give this one a try. It's too big for a picket knife, it's the size of a small filet knife. Happens to be flexible enough to be a filet knife. So guess what? It's gonna be a filet knife!
It was mis-stamped on the collar as #8. $9 would be fair for one of those. The #12 is a $35 knife, though. When I found all this out online I went back to the pawn shop for the rest. They are marked at $40 now!
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Grizzly, is made in Taiwan. Sometimes you will see the factory number, and it will say Taiwan. PowerMatic is made in Tennessee. They make great band saws, table saws, jointers, planers, sanders, lathes,etc. They are heavy cast iron, and have little vibration. They are unfortunately a bit pricey, but you get what you pay for. General is made in Canada, and is a great product also. But.....also pricey. There is another brand, that I can't think of at the moment, that I think is made in Canada also. I will just have to wait and save my pennies, and try to get a PowerMatic table saw, and band saw. Hopefully down the road, a nice lathe also. Once I sell this house, and get out to my home in Montana, I will save around 12,000 dollars a year.
Wayne
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The reason Grizzly is good is because they are exact copies of American-made stationary power tools made during the 1940s and 1950s. After Chairman Mao took over China and those who didn't wish to join that soiree fled to Taiwan and formed Taiwan as a country. The U.S. protected them and gave them lots of foreign aid. Among that was vehicles, tractors, trucks, weapons, and tools. Taiwan just copied the stationary power tools in order to have another product to sell.
It's pretty common in that region. The Soviets copied the German BMW motorcycles with sidecar they captured during the war. They gave a few to China after their revolution and then China started copying the Soviet copy of the BMW. We gave the USSR hundreds of Studebaker 6x6 military trucks during the war and they copied that thing for decades after. During the war, an American B-29 made an emergency landing in the USSR, after a bombing run over Japan. The Soviets told the crew it would take two weeks for the repair parts to arrive from the nearest U.S. airbase. (The U.S. did not want to leave the bomber in the hands of the Soviets for obvious reasons and told the Soviets, "No, it's ok, we'll send the parts to fix it and the crew can fly it back.) The Soviets had two weeks with the plane in their hands as the crew was given tours and taken to parties and so on. Stalin told a team of engineers they had two weeks to take the plane totally apart, measure everything, and have a set of working blueprints they could duplicate the B-29 with----or else. And, not long after, the Soviets rolled out an exact copy of the B-29, right down to the Boeing trademarks on the rudder pedals.
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The reason Grizzly is good is because they are exact copies of American-made stationary power tools made during the 1940s and 1950s. After Chairman Mao took over China and those who didn't wish to join that soiree fled to Taiwan and formed Taiwan as a country. The U.S. protected them and gave them lots of foreign aid. Among that was vehicles, tractors, trucks, weapons, and tools. Taiwan just copied the stationary power tools in order to have another product to sell.
It's pretty common in that region. The Soviets copied the German BMW motorcycles with sidecar they captured during the war. They gave a few to China after their revolution and then China started copying the Soviet copy of the BMW. We gave the USSR hundreds of Studebaker 6x6 military trucks during the war and they copied that thing for decades after. During the war, an American B-29 made an emergency landing in the USSR, after a bombing run over Japan. The Soviets told the crew it would take two weeks for the repair parts to arrive from the nearest U.S. airbase. (The U.S. did not want to leave the bomber in the hands of the Soviets for obvious reasons and told the Soviets, "No, it's ok, we'll send the parts to fix it and the crew can fly it back.) The Soviets had two weeks with the plane in their hands as the crew was given tours and taken to parties and so on. Stalin told a team of engineers they had two weeks to take the plane totally apart, measure everything, and have a set of working blueprints they could duplicate the B-29 with----or else. And, not long after, the Soviets rolled out an exact copy of the B-29, right down to the Boeing trademarks on the rudder pedals.
Japan did the same thing with matchlock guns from the Netherlands in the 1500's. Right down to the Royal proofmarks stamped in the barrels!
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Delta was once a proud name in American power tools. Sad to report that my newer Delta band saw is complete piece of crap. It's odd because some of the parts are really well made, but they are bolted or <shudder> pressed into crap parts. Motor, for example, is awesome! The tensioning mechanism is worthless! It makes NO DAMN SENSE because they could not have saved enough money in cheapening the the parts they changed to make it a smart thing for them to do!!!
On the otherhand, I just bought a used table saw off of Craig's List. It's a 1957 Craftsman. Still solid as heck. I paid less than a fifth of what the new models of inferior saws cost in the box stores today. LOVE the thing. It has obviously been well cared for, but it was built to last in the first place!
...and JWH - I wonder how it would go over if we unionized the slave laborers in China? Would they start building good quality stuff then? >:D ::) ::) :o
OneBow