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Title: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: jrmeza on August 22, 2014, 06:53:44 pm
Hey there Primitive Archer community, again, I'm still knew, and I'm working on my first osage orange selfbow (longbow).

I made a big mistake with the drawknife while putting my bow to final dimensions today and I cannot believe I did it.
The bow I am making was looking to be a mighty fine 68" snakey bow, all was going well, I have managed to follow the grain pretty true despite some complications with the way the stave warped around a knot on its sister stave.

I was narrowing down the stave, I had planned to make the bow wide in the horizontal dimension (left to right when holding the bow upright) and really thin in the anterior/posterior dimensions because thats just how the stave ended up looking after carving out some deep cracks that occurred after not sealing the back.  AND THEN IT HAPPENED.
I started carving out a piece of grain on the edge of the bow that had a crack in it that could not be left on the bow, and I curse myself because my draw knife bit way too deep, and that single fiber ran deeper, and deeper, and deeper....

Now Im left with a decent and nearly complete bow, except there is now a portion 12 inches from the center that is only 7/8" wide, and 3/4" deep.

So what would you make of that? Don't say scrap it immediately, I want to give it a fighting chance. Is my only option to continue to tillering and even things out as much as possible, and end up with a reaaaaallly light poundage bow? Will heat treating or maybe adding a recurve to it possibly up the poundage?  Remember, there isn't exactly anything "wrong" with the stave, its just really thin in that one spot, but everything follows the grain really well and true, no cracks or check or anything like that.

Help me out! Thanks a lot selfbowyers!
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Will H on August 22, 2014, 07:10:35 pm
First let me say, NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH A PIECE OF WOOD! Not until it becomes a bow at least. Everything else before it flings arrows and becomes a bow is just a stave IMO.

Second, it's really hard to say without pics. Pics really help when discussing this sort of thing. Over all it sounds like you should still have enough to work with. It don't take much Osage to make a bow.

Post some pics. Let's see how bad it is.

Don't sweat the small stuff. Just deal and move on :)
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: BOWMAN53 on August 22, 2014, 07:15:13 pm
doesnt sounds so bad but pictures could tell a different story.
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: jrmeza on August 22, 2014, 07:35:48 pm
How do I post pictures if the website only allows for 200KB size per picture?? The pics I took are all over 1 Mb
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: DarkSoul on August 22, 2014, 07:43:05 pm
Upload onto www.tinypic.com
Copy the [IMG]-code for message boards.
Paste link here in your reply text box.
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: jrmeza on August 22, 2014, 08:00:28 pm
(http://i61.tinypic.com/9s4eh2.jpg)

(http://i57.tinypic.com/w8kw91.jpg)

(http://i60.tinypic.com/f9k3lx.jpg)

Hope this helps! thanks guys!
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Pat B on August 22, 2014, 08:11:58 pm
Make it!  Don't worry about the back profile just tiller the bow as it is.
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: jrmeza on August 22, 2014, 08:14:44 pm
Great! I'm glad to hear that it is doable! Does anyone think that heat treating it and/or adding recurve (or is it reflex?) would do this stick justice?
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Stringman on August 22, 2014, 08:54:13 pm
I just finished a bow much like what you have there. Will is right, a little Osage goes a long way! Taper your tips to 3/8" and make er bend smooth. You got this.
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 22, 2014, 09:43:32 pm
Should be ok. Forge ahead! Jawge
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: 4dog on August 22, 2014, 10:03:12 pm
skinny bows are the shnizzz...you will be surprised at how skinny an osage beauty can be!!
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: NeolithicMan on August 22, 2014, 10:24:21 pm
Dont feel to bad, recently I was cutting out the profile for a replica bow and I got about 12" down before I realized I wasnt on the outside profile line but the center line!!! now I have a very nice stave with a long cut in the middle! oh well now it will make a kids bow or two
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Pat B on August 22, 2014, 11:30:37 pm
When you get about 1/4" from the profile outline put down the draw knife down and get a good rasp. A farriers rasp works well for this with its wide, flat cutting surfaces. Work the rasp from back to belly.
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: jrmeza on August 23, 2014, 01:13:08 am
Wow thanks a lot for all the feed back guys! I feel revitalized and pumped to keep on trucking along! I will post my finished project when it is complete!!! Thanks PA community!
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: DuBois on August 23, 2014, 01:21:19 am
Get it man! There's still a bow in there (I think)
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: George Tsoukalas on August 23, 2014, 08:09:29 am
I put the dnife down and go to surform early on. Even then I'm alternating with a scraper like tool. Once I string it I'm using  a scraper.
jr, check tiller frequently and you will not be able to use calipers to gauge taper.
Check my site.
Jawge
http://georgeandjoni.home.comcast.net/~georgeandjoni/index.html
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Will H on August 23, 2014, 08:28:12 am
That otta make a bow :)
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 23, 2014, 09:52:54 am
My buddy Joe makes what he calls "splinter" bows from very narrow osage, always less than one inch wide. They sure sling an arrow!
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: Del the cat on August 23, 2014, 10:58:03 am
First let me say, NEVER FALL IN LOVE WITH A PIECE OF WOOD! ...
Yeah, women are tough enough, without falling for wood as well ::)  >:D
Del
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: koan on August 23, 2014, 11:10:27 am
The trade bow i just did is 7/8-1" and it came out really well IMO... Carry on you got this!.... Brian
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: 4dog on August 23, 2014, 12:25:20 pm
ok Sir del...now that there....was funny  ???  >:D
Title: Re: Trying to live with a big mistake I made
Post by: bradsmith2010 on August 23, 2014, 01:46:46 pm
yes going to rasp early on is good idea