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Title: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 01, 2014, 01:53:52 pm
This is a little bow I recently finished.  It's HHB backed with Sugar Maple in an RD style.  The bow is 66" long and pulls just over 50# @ 30", the bow is tillered to 31".  I gave this bow a bit more deflex than I normally would because of the long draw.  It's got about 1" of reflex left from the 4" I glued in.  The full draw image is while I was tillering the bow

(http://i.imgur.com/OH1xnOu.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/hIw6wxE.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qgb0OMS.jpg)
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: bow101 on September 01, 2014, 02:09:51 pm
That is like a perfect profile on that RD bow, very nice.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Will H on September 01, 2014, 02:15:50 pm
You are the master of that design :) thank you for sharing
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: simson on September 01, 2014, 03:19:40 pm
You are the master of that design :) thank you for sharing

+1
looks fast, is that draw in the f/d 30"? Looks like there is still 2" more in it. Incredible bow!
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 01, 2014, 04:35:53 pm
Thank you guys.

That is actually 31".  The guy I made it for has a 30.5" draw.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: koan on September 01, 2014, 05:46:49 pm
Im surprized at the sugar maple backing.. maybe its a regional nickname? What we call sugar maple here in Mo. aint worth a plug nickel for anything... A small wind will tear out the biggest limbs in a tree..... That extra deflex messes with my tillering eyes, lol. I had to go back and forth from unstrung profile to full draw several times to wrap my head around it  ;D... Thats a nice bend!.... Brian
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: bow101 on September 01, 2014, 05:56:52 pm
Im surprized at the sugar maple backing.. maybe its a regional nickname? What we call sugar maple here in Mo. aint worth a plug nickel for anything... A small wind will tear out the biggest limbs in a tree..... That extra deflex messes with my tillering eyes, lol. I had to go back and forth from unstrung profile to full draw several times to wrap my head around it  ;D... Thats a nice bend!.... Brian

Out west we call it Eastern maple, our western maple not good for much it has to much sap wood and is much softer.  Vine maple is good for bows.  Most of the early FG bows had maple core and is still used today.  The Eastern maple also produces more Maple syrup.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: NeolithicMan on September 01, 2014, 06:00:59 pm
I love seeing your name under a bunch of capital letters Marc, lets me know there is a wicked bow waiting after a quick click! Very sweet bow as usual
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: hammertime on September 01, 2014, 06:15:17 pm
I like all the different woods in the handle glue up...cool bow-Hammertime
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Lee Lobbestael on September 01, 2014, 09:32:38 pm
You are the master of that design :) thank you for sharing
+3
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Stixnstones on September 01, 2014, 09:55:18 pm
kudo's and kudo's again
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Peacebow_Coos on September 01, 2014, 10:13:01 pm
That's looking real nice, I like the handle build up too
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 02, 2014, 09:05:21 am
Sugar maple, it's common name, is one of the hard Maples and what most tap for maple syrup.  It is nearly as dense as Hickory.  I've had better success backing bows with Maple than I have with Hickory.  Yes you need a good eye to be able to tiller a bow like this out.

I could have made the bow a couple inches shorter but because this bow is for someone else I prefer to give it a bit more durability.

Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: IdahoMatt on September 02, 2014, 10:43:14 am
Very nicely done Marc.  I love to see your bows man.  They just look so fast and fine tuned
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: rps3 on September 02, 2014, 11:03:20 am
I would love to take that for a test drive.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Del the cat on September 02, 2014, 11:41:29 am
Sweet curves.
I like to see a long draw now and then too.
I'd love to draw that warbow style with a flight arrow and try to watch it go
Del
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Prarie Bowyer on September 02, 2014, 01:10:43 pm
Nice... has me wanting to get into some of my hhb early.    Dont you find that when the string connects the belly on RD bows it make them kinda loud and shocky? ???
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: bubby on September 02, 2014, 08:39:35 pm
Sweet as always Mark, did you use billets or was it a one pc stave, I still have your r/d build in the magazine earmarked to build, I'm also a big fan of maple backer's
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 02, 2014, 08:58:09 pm
Thanks guys.

It didn't make any noise when I shot it and there was no handshock

Billets on this one, it's the best and easiest way to get the deflex.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Badger on September 02, 2014, 09:34:45 pm
  I have always wondered how the 31" draw bows would perform in the broadhead classes, on paper they should outperform the 28" draws. Not sure if the extra 3" of arrow might hurt the distance or not. I have been wanting to try them for some time now but always end up stopping when the bow hits the 50#@28 mark. Maybe next year.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: PatM on September 02, 2014, 11:00:19 pm
 Nice bow, Marc.
 
  Steve,
Dan Perry stated that in talks with Don Brown, Don recommended the extra drawlength.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2014, 12:32:10 am
  I presently hold both the 50# broadhead records for self and simple comp bows. It took me 9 years to get the simple comp record with a boo backed osage reflexed longbow 231 yards this weekend, last year I got 221 yards for a record with the self. both drawn 28'.  Only way I can figure to stretch it out more is to draw it further.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Marc St Louis on September 03, 2014, 12:48:43 pm
Thanks Pat.

I would think that for broadheads a longer draw would be better.  What draw length was Jeremiah pulling his bow when he set his record?
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: jasonoflivingston on September 03, 2014, 12:49:38 pm
Very nice bow!  I love seeing a nice bow with a longer draw.  It gives me all sorts of ideas as to what is possible as the skill level rises.  Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: beetlebailey1977 on September 03, 2014, 01:26:32 pm
Sharp looking bow Marc....
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Badger on September 03, 2014, 03:03:18 pm
Mark, Jerimia had a heavy bow about 100# but he was short drawing about 4" so i would say he drew maybe 24 to 25 max. That record should not be hard to break with a full drawn 75# to 80# bow. I was practicing with him before the shoot started. I was shooting your bow at about 58# and hitting up to 240, he was hitting about 245 with his. I think his winning arrow he may have gotten back further or just got the wind just right. This was 2004.
Title: Re: Maple Backed HHB RD
Post by: Cameroo on September 03, 2014, 10:09:45 pm
  I have always wondered how the 31" draw bows would perform in the broadhead classes, on paper they should outperform the 28" draws. Not sure if the extra 3" of arrow might hurt the distance or not. I have been wanting to try them for some time now but always end up stopping when the bow hits the 50#@28 mark. Maybe next year.

In my limited experience with warbow shooting, an extra inch of draw length seems to be more important than an extra 15 or 20 lbs of draw weight.  I'm pretty sure you will find the extra energy put into the arrow will more than make up for the extra weight and length of the shaft.

I'm not that familiar with flight shooting rules - is there no upper limit on the draw length?

Sorry to sidetrack your thread Mark.  That is a sweet looking tiller on that bow.