Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: lebhuntfish on October 06, 2014, 09:41:05 pm
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Well guy's, I have been working on this crooked stick since just before mojam. This is my first character stave of Osage that I haven't tried to straighten the kinks out of. I think I'm a little soft on the outer bit of the bottom tip and a little soft at a little whoopty just out of the fade on the upper limb. What do you guy's think? Critique is very welcome please
I'm currently pulling 56 at 25, and shooting for anywhere from 50 to 55 at 27. Thanks for looking, Patrick.
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The upper limb is on the left. Sorry for the background.
Upper limb on right in this pic.
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Also, the limbs are exactly even at brace. I will post a braced and unbraced pic later. Patrick
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I hate to judge from a pic. but looks like a severe hinge on the right fade in the second pic. Unbraced and braced photos always help.
When I go back and look at the pics the tiller doesn't look so bad in the first pic. Why is that? ???
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It's looking really good to these eyes. An unbraced pic would help. That whoopty-doo at the handle plays tricks with my eyes! We are seeing the bow from two different sides, swapped end for end, correct? If the limbs are bending evenly, i would have to start shooting that one some, and get a look at how the bend looks in the hand as opposed to the tree. The last few scrapes I would make would be from what I see and feel when actually drawing the bow.
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The whoopty-doo does screw things up. It looks like the lower limb needs to bend more near the handle, and the upper limb is pretty flat on the last third, it needs to be bending more, that might help the hinge some also.
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Thanks for the replies guy's!
H Rhodes, yes the pics show the bow with the ends swapped because of the whoopty-doo.
Hothead, your right it does screw with the eyes! After reading your post and looking back at my pictures I see what your saying about the bottom fade area and the outer part of the upper limb, thanks.
Here is a few unbraced pics. And some of the whoopty-doo and upper limb. I will post a braced pic tomorrow because I done a little string alignment and don't want to stress it right now. Thanks, Patrick
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To me it looks like the lower limb is pretty good and the upper is bending a little bit too much near the fades and is a little flat out past that
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Badlybent, that's because your looking at it from both sides. I bet I drew this thing in front of a mirror a hundred times while changing from one side to another. :laugh: Patrick
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Thanks Lee Lobbestael. Patrick
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Upper limb is a tiny bit stiff from mid limb close to the fade out towards the tip to me
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Thanks Joec123able, I can kinda see it now that it's was pointed out :laugh: Patrick.
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Looks pretty good to me,that woop in them will really throw you off, but looking at both side it looks ok.I would shoot it some at the short draw and then check and see how it looks. Also I sure wouldn't leave it on that stick for very long while checking it. :)I use a tiller stick but only until I get one braced then go to the pully system. Cool stick by the way :)
Pappy
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To me it looks like the lower limb is pretty good and the upper is bending a little bit too much near the fades and is a little flat out past that
+1
Del
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Ooops, my bad Patrick, I see now the captions with the pics showing the flip. Those ones with the character right at the handle area always give me a hard time. From this point on that is one I would probably just tiller till it feels balanced in the hand and cast a clean arrow.
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That right limb is quite stiff in the middle, that's what is making the inners work a tad harder. Give the center 10" about 10-12 good scrapes and the whole limb will bend better.
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Good to go. Nicely done. Enjoy. Jawge
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Which Picture do you see that Pearl? The top one or the next one down? The limbs are switched in them. Patrick
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The second one, but it looks like Im out-voted anyhow.
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Thanks Pearl, I will check that the next time I look at the tiller. I respect your opinion very much. Patrick
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IMHO, I think it needs to be working a little more mid limb on both sides. But I hate to post that after some of the legends have spoke.
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Thanks Sasquatch I will send how that looks once I get some of the other fixed! I always have a little trouble in the fine tuning stages but I'm still learning. Patrick
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Patrick,
The tiller may have some issues on the tree and I do see some stiffness in center of right limb second picture. I would finish or recommend tweeking the tiller OFF the tree. It almost always changes and sometimes drastically when you draw the bow yourself and apply different pressures with your bow hand/heel and drawing hand pulling than the tree pegs. Draw it in a mirror or get someone to take pictures while you draw the bow and take a look. Also go by feel here and see if it pulls evenly or has one limb pulling stronger than the other. With last couple of inches and pounds I always draw the bow myself and use a camera to snap a quick pic. Nice looking bow you have going and keep us posted...
Don
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Just food for thought, but if I can I will heat straighten an area like that as best I can and then work on the tiller. It just makes it so much easier to judge the tiller, especially coming out of the fades where it can be difficult anyway.
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Ok guy's I've done a little work on this bow. And the tiller looks really good to me now. With all of your input I found the upper limb to be a little stiffer in the mid limb and is now bending well. Also in the process I found the bottom a little stiffer over all. I took the advice of shooting it some at a lower draw and it has absolutely no hand shock and flat zines an arrow. I did decide to do a little heat treating last night to that whoopty-doo spot and now it's a little stiffer. I decided to leave it that way since it shoots so nice.
The brace is right at 5.75" with the brand new b50 string I made for it tonight. I promise to post another full draw pic ASAP and keep you all updated. Thanks for all your help wouldn't know what to do without you all. Patrick
Here is that promised pic of it at brace.
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Looks good,looking forward to seeing full draw and it all dolled up. Them whoops can drive you nuts but looks like you handled it very well. Rotating side to side is key on them. :) :)
Pappy
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Thanks Pappy, it's been a tuff ride for me on this one. It started out as a fence post with a decent bit of bug damage. I'll keep you all up to date. Patrick
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Sorry for not getting an update on the full draw guy's. I got all caught up in shooting it. Then I heard a noise. It popped a splinter. I made another post asking what to do. PatB is sending me some deer rawhide to back it with. When I get that all done I'll post a full draw after I check tiller again. Thanks Patrick
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Sorry to hear that..was the splinter just out from the whoop-de-do? It looked awful thin there to me.
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It was, but this is a bow that pictures don't do it justice. It's actually plenty thick there. Plus this is a D shaped cross section. That whoopty-doo is also kinda red in color and it seems to be a lot harder than the rest of the wood. Thanks, Patrick