Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: lebhuntfish on October 18, 2014, 09:01:57 pm
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I posted a tiller check on this bow a couple weeks ago and I have been shooting game it in. I've run about 150 shots through it and I was living it. Right now it is 58 @ 27. I was shooting it some today while I waited on a bow in my caul to cool down. I heard a pop and at first I thought it was the arrow slapping the side of the bow so I shot it again and I didn't hear it that time. On a really close inspection I seen a tiny splinter about 6" past the fade just past a whoopty-doo. I I put some super glue on it and quickly unstrung it. If it wasn't for the spot of super glue on the back I couldn't see it at all. Here is the link to the tiller check thread. Lots of pictures. http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,48805.0.html
My question is what can I do to repair this? I have silk, rawhide, sinew, and brown paper. I'm willing to go the extra mile on this one. I thought about sinew but not sure that's the answer. Thanks, Patrick
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Patrick, I'd add a rawhide backing. Also, just a simple wrap ill work too but with the rawhide you can dress it up with some art or other decoration.
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Thanks Pat, do you think that would work with one that was splintered all the way across a back ring. My buddy had a bigger splinter pop up on his Osage bow. I think it is damaged from deflexing it. He chased another ring and it looked good but it showed up after he braced it. Thanks again, Patrick
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On the rawhide, would you use hide glue? Patrick
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If you have it, yes. Hide glue really sucks the rawhide down to the wood surface. You'll have to remove any finish and rough up the surface a bit. Course sand paper will do that. You can follow the directions for Gidget's sinew job but substitute the sinew for rawhide.
Do you have deer rawhide?
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No I don't Pat, it's cow. But I think I will get some somehow. It's supposed to be thin right? Patrick
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Ill second Pats suggestion of full rawhide coverage. Then fix the tiller, if you haven't already.
PS - I tried to tell ya' it was bending too hard in that fade and flat in the middle, POP goes a splinter!
Man I have done it myself enough to know just what will happen next. Im bullheaded and don't listen to many.. ;). Always learning the hard way I am.
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yes deer hide is very thin and strong
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Only rawhide better than deer would be antelope.
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...or goat or kangaroo.
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...or goat or kangaroo.
Not all goat is created equal. I have a hair-on goat rawhide that is as thick as a bullhide! If kangaroo was more easily located, I would happily use it, even though it makes me jumpy. :laugh:
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Hey thanks guys. Pearl, I did fix the tiller in the spot you were talking about. I guess I should have potatoes other full draw pic after I fixed it. Live and learn I guess. And by the way I'm kinda bull headed myself to. Thanks again, Patrick
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Definitely potatoes another full draw pic. >:D
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Thanks JW I had to read my post 3 times to see what you were referring to. But I had a good laugh when I found it. I use my cell phone to get on PA and I hate this auto correct crop. Thanks bud, Patrick
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Well I got some rawhide from PatB last week and got it applied to the back of my bow. I rasped it all down and cleaned it up last night. I checked the tiller and it seemed a little off to me. I worked on it some but not sure what to do with it now. Thought I would try to post a video and see what you all thought. Here is two videos, the first is with the top limb in the up position. The second is the bow flipped over. I'm only drawing it to about 24" or so in the video. Sorry if it's not the best but it's my first attempt at a video. Patrick (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/th_20141031_200700_zpsaivo6ccm.jpg) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/20141031_200700_zpsaivo6ccm.mp4) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/th_20141031_200905_zps1ficnbsr.jpg) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/20141031_200905_zps1ficnbsr.mp4)
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its hard to tell at that angle for me,, but the unbraced profile says it is tillered well,, how does it shoot,,
nice job on the rawhide
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Thanks Brad, I haven't shot it since I done the rawhide. I haven't drawn it to full draw yet either. Patrick
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well looking pretty good,, what is the weight at the draw you are pulling,,
seems like just go up an inch at a time and see how it looks,,,,what is your target weight now,, and what draw,,,,
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Brad, I'm not sure of the weight at that draw. But it was 58 at 27 I'm hoping to get around 50 to 55 at 27. Trying to get a little more of a hunting weight out of this one. I didn't get to work on it today. I think I have a bit of a stiff spot on the upper limb about 8"long just past the fade. And I'm not sure if the fades are a little stiff or not. Patrick
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The fades look good to me, but you do have a serious stiff spot in the upper limb, it is only bending at the fades.
duke
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The fades look good to me, but you do have a serious stiff spot in the upper limb, it is only bending at the fades.
duke
Yup, same spot that got you in trouble Patrick. Gotta get the mid limb moving and relieve some stress off the kinky fade.
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Thanks guy's, not sure why I'm having such a problem with this bows tiller. I'll get some work done on it today and post another video. To check tiller once I think I got it fixed. Patrick
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Well here's a little update, I worked on it for about an hour or so this morning. I got the mid limb (upper) bending a lot better checked the bend several times. Shot it about 4 or 5 times and it shoots better but still has some hand shock. So I worked on the outer third a bit before I had to get ready to go to town. I had the wife take a video of me drawing it. I was going to post it but after watching it several times I decided I need to get the outer third on the upper limb bending a bit better. I'll post another video this evening if I can. Thanks Patrick
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the mid limb may look little stiff because of the reflex , make sure the taper is even,,,hard to see that in a photo,, so you need to take that into consideration as much as the way it looks,,,,
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I did do that Brad. Used my calipers just to check for the high and low spots. Here is a new video of the tiller tell me what you think. The outer third of the top limb may need a little more work but it's getting better. Patrick (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/th_20141102_101303_zpsz9vigszs.jpg) (http://i1335.photobucket.com/albums/w668/lebhuntfish1/Mobile%20Uploads/2014-11/20141102_101303_zpsz9vigszs.mp4)
The unbraced profile is unchanged. I'm 55 at 27 right now.
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Looks closer, hit it a few more times. That fact your unbraced profile isn't changing means your going in the right direction.
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Thanks Pearl, I will work on it some more today. I'll post the results this afternoon. Patrick
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looking good
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Thanks Brad!
OK here's an update, I got the tiller straightened out and I'm down to 52 at 27. Witch I'm good with. The unbraced profile shows just a tad bit of set in the mid limb areas on both limbs. It shoots really fast and has no hand shock at all with my heavier arrows and just a touch with my lite ones. I need to do some work on the handle because it's pretty rough and still shows the split of the stave. I got carried away working on it today and started putting overlays on it before I remembered to get a full draw shot. I already sanded down the tips so as soon as I get an overlay glued on I will get a full draw shot. Thanks for all of your help guys, your awesome! Patrick