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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: jayman448 on October 27, 2014, 03:57:34 am

Title: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 27, 2014, 03:57:34 am
Hey internet. I came across the biggest most beautiful willows ive ever seen. nine inches diameter, no branches for six or seven feet. its so tempting. I know the majority is that willow is not worth anything but I want to make bows with wood im my area. im limited to willow, or birch. so honestly : can I make a functioning (not perfect) bow from a large willow. what kind of shape, tiller, and length is recommended for this wood? please help. is it worth cutting down? I really want it to be !!!  :P
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: wizardgoat on October 27, 2014, 04:24:06 am
Although some south west tribes made willow bows with deflexed tips, it's gotta be the worst choice for bow wood. I'd go with the birch
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 27, 2014, 05:14:59 pm
any birch ive ever seen always checks and fails

I guess poplar would be even worse eh??
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: wizardgoat on October 27, 2014, 05:21:54 pm
Any wood can make a bow if designed properly.
willow and poplar are probably the 2 worst choices though.
where do you live?
ive never made a birch bow, but I have seen a couple on here
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: bubby on October 27, 2014, 05:32:30 pm
I know paper birch makes a good bow I've made one, even backed a black walnut with it much better choice than willow
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: bushboy on October 27, 2014, 07:04:06 pm
Never tried willow, but I would go 3" wide @ the fades by 68" long, Tim baker eiffel tower style.
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: bubby on October 27, 2014, 07:50:21 pm
bushboy I think if ya just have to make a willow bow go 3" wide and straight taper, atleast 72" ntn
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: Marc St Louis on October 27, 2014, 08:51:58 pm
The Willow we have up here quite often surprises me at how tough it is.  I've never made a bow out of it but I have been tempted more than once.  The older trees also have very attractive orange wood.
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: paulsemp on October 27, 2014, 10:06:17 pm
I shot ryans poplar bow and I won't say it was the best bow i ever tried but I will say it was far from the worst. Maybe someone that knows how can post a link here to it. I personally would not spend the time on it but I also have access to all the osage I could ever want >:D
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 27, 2014, 11:49:24 pm
im in high elevation of the interior of BC Canada. pine, poplar, birch, and willow. two hour drive to hit red ceders and five hours to get maple. im kinda limited  :-\
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: blackhawk on October 28, 2014, 07:01:49 am
Depending on where at in BC you might have yew at least within a few hours from ya...I'd make that drive any day of the week ....serviceberry? Elderberry? Gotta be more than what ya mentioned out there that ya might not be aware of  ???
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: paul craig on October 28, 2014, 03:37:29 pm
You might try searching E-Flora BC: Electronic Atlas of the Plants of British Columbia for all trees common to your area. http://linnet.geog.ubc.ca/DB_Query/RegionalDistricts.aspx
May be bow-making species native to your area that you're unaware of. I'm sure that if you posted the species you find on here, much helpful advice on bow suitability will come your way. Wondering where you are in BC?
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 28, 2014, 05:51:20 pm
idk im pretty darn high in elevation. and pretty darn poor for the gas money XD
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 28, 2014, 06:02:39 pm
thanks for that website link. it says there should be elm, hemlock, ash, and a few types of maple. only thing is in 20 years I have never seen any of that round here. lol. I saw an ash once but it was in a guys front yard. maybe I just got to look harder?
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: DC on October 28, 2014, 06:53:26 pm
Look up Vine maple and Douglas Maple. Either of them make good bows. You might have Ocean Spray. Service Berry is called Saskatoon up here. Elm and Ash are good. As long as it's 1 1/2 inches(4cm) or more in diameter. Lots of shubby stuff is good.
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: wizardgoat on October 28, 2014, 07:17:25 pm
Where in the interior are you?
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 28, 2014, 11:18:13 pm
Thanks DC
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 29, 2014, 12:00:37 am
thanks for that website link. it says there should be elm, hemlock, ash, and a few types of maple. only thing is in 20 years I have never seen any of that round here. lol. I saw an ash once but it was in a guys front yard. maybe I just got to look harder?

Back in April I would only be able to tell you what Siberian elm, Russian olive and Black Locust were. I now know I am surrounded by Green Ash, China Berry, White Oak, and Utah Juniper. And I can Identify lots more. It is funny what you don't see when it isn't important to you. Having also started knapping, while driving I am either looking up, or down. Shocking I haven't had an accident yet.  >:D
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 29, 2014, 02:51:46 am
Back in April I would only be able to tell you what Siberian elm, Russian olive and Black Locust were. I now know I am surrounded by Green Ash, China Berry, White Oak, and Utah Juniper. And I can Identify lots more. It is funny what you don't see when it isn't important to you. Having also started knapping, while driving I am either looking up, or down. Shocking I haven't had an accident yet.  >:D

yea that's another thing I goto learn is knapable stone. only know of one place "arrow stone park" I need waaaaay more rock..... three good stones yielded me maybe 11 points. not quite a pro I guess XD
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: wizardgoat on October 29, 2014, 03:05:56 am
there is for sure rocky mountain juniper around you. one of my favorite woods.
probably douglas and/or vine maple too.
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 29, 2014, 03:22:25 am
jumiper? really? that's good? how do you find a clear stave????
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: jayman448 on October 29, 2014, 03:38:06 am
government site says no juniper, no hemlock... not really anything. like I said basically birch. ill look out for vine maple. I know we have saskatoons but they grow only knee high. idek what ocean spray is
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: DC on October 29, 2014, 03:55:40 am
I know we have saskatoons but they grow only knee high. idek what ocean spray is


I thought the same thing about Saskatoons but down here(the Island) they grow 30ft(10meters) tall and 5"(15 cm) dia. I was really surprised. Google Ocean spray. It probably doesn't grow big enough where ever it is you are.
Title: Re: Bow Build Help.
Post by: JoJoDapyro on October 29, 2014, 12:00:36 pm
LOL, I may have gotten 11 points out of 20 pounds.