Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: nlester on December 21, 2014, 09:43:15 pm
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Can it be saved, or is it fatal?(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w217/tennjed9/42517db2-5e04-4b78-b05b-0b01370a0887.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/tennjed9/media/42517db2-5e04-4b78-b05b-0b01370a0887.jpg.html)
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Belly(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w217/tennjed9/IMG_0016.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/tennjed9/media/IMG_0016.jpg.html)
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no it is not fatal,, lots of ways to address that issue, I will let the others chime in,,but I see a bow in there :)
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The problem is that you don't know how much the little bugger has excavated between the two holes.
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The problem is that you don't know how much the little bugger has excavated between the two holes.
+1 on what Timbo said.
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The problem is that you don't know how much the little bugger has excavated between the two holes.
Yep. Do you just go with it and see what happens?
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If you cut it off below the worm hole will that leave you enough length to make a bendy handle bow?
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If you cut it off below the worm hole will that leave you enough length to make a bendy handle bow?
I'm afraid that isn't an option.
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What are your options?
You could ignore them (which is what I do). You could fill it with saw dust and glue. You could cut the stave off there. You can make a tomato stake from it.:)
What else can you do?
Jawge
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LOL. Thanks George. I guess I'll ignore it. I guess I was wondering what my chances are that it turns into a tomato stake ???
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Filling with sawdust and glue won't hurt.
You never know. It could break.
Of course sinew and rawhide are a possibility. Sinew is time consuming. To do it on a bow that may break...I don't know.
I remember an osage bow I made with a worm hole in it and I also remember a hickory bow with a worm hole in it.
They didn't break.
I also remember a hickory board bow exploding because of a tiny knot I didn't see when buying the bard.
You just never know.
Jawge
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Well, I'm gonna try and plug it with super glue and sawdust. Let's see what happens. I'll keep everyone posted. Thanks for the help.
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I was bow last year that the maker used a stave that looked like Swiss cheese on the back from worm holes just to see if he could make a shooter. It surprised me but he had a nice shooter and had left the holes unfilled.
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Tiller that area a little flatter than the rest of the limb.
Jawge
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I was bow last year that the maker used a stave that looked like Swiss cheese on the back from worm holes just to see if he could make a shooter. It surprised me but he had a nice shooter and had left the holes unfilled.
WOW! Did he back it, Eric?
Tiller that area a little flatter than the rest of the limb.
Jawge
Thanks for the info, George. I'm gonna see what happens. Thanks!
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i am still shooting one 20 years later that has lots of worm holes(its not like a crack),,, I really think yours will make a bow,,,
as suggested above you could sinew wrap that area,, I would probably do that if I was making the bow for someone,, if you use titebond and sinew it won't take too long,, filling with sawdust and glue is a great idea too,,,if you think it is a tomato stake send it to me and I will give it a try,,, if it turns out I will send it back :)
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Thanks for the offer, Brad. Very much appreciated. I think I'll give it a try and see if I can make it into something.
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it will make a bow :)
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It's still going to be a bow, as long as the hole didn't turn to run across the limb.
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Best way to know ???? make the sucker, and pleeeeease report back to the masses. :)
DBar
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If it went straight through just fill with dust and super glue and it will be fine, if not all bets are off, it may or may not. I have seen them with worm holes do fine, lots of holes but I have also seen them with just a small one pop a splinter and go ka boom, just never know with a worm hole. Hate um, they are not at all like a knot hole. I would take Jawges advice if it was mine and leave it a little flat right there just to be safe. :)Good luck and keep us posted
Pappy
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Worm holes lighten the wood = Faster bow , less mass >:D
most of the time not a problem but can be ornery
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Worm holes lighten the wood = Faster bow , less mass >:D
Is that the Hollow Limb Design I keep hearing about???
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Worm holes lighten the wood = Faster bow , less mass >:D
Is that the Hollow Limb Design I keep hearing about???
may not be the one you been hearing about, but the only kind of hollow limb that I have ever done
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i'D JUST FILL IT WITH EITHER EPOXY, AN OSAGE TOOTHPICK AND SUPERGLUE OR CRUSHED TURQUOISE AND SUPERGLUE AND MOVE ON .
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No need to yell :)
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holes schmoles ;)
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Knot holes and worm holes are totally different. The grain does not flow around worm holes.
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I'll try and post pics soon. So far so good. I've got the brace height out to about 4" and pulled out to 21 inches. Seems to be going ok so far. Thanks for all the advice
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outlaw thats true, good point
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Belly patch
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Back patch
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I'll try and take some pics of the profile and bending it on the tree. Right now I've got it braced to about 5 inches and have pulled it out to 23 inches. I had a little hinge in one of the fades, but I'm slowly taking that out and continuing to reduce weight and sweat the bow by keep it strung. I'm doing my best to be patient and not push it too much, which isn't normal for me. I think I should be able to sling a few from it by this evening if all continues to go as planned.
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is that the belly or back,, and did the hole go all the way through,, how long is the bow,, and what is your intended draw,,, make sure to not over stress the bow with a draw that might be pushing it,, I would consider wrapping that area with sinew,, there are those that say it will not help,, but it wont hurt,, and could very well hold down a splinter if one should want to lift,, :)
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Brad,
Top pick is belly, and other is back. Yes, it went through. Unfortunately, I've got a new problem. I have a hinge at the fade that has now caused compression fractures and I just can't seem to get it out. From my experiences, once compression fractures start, you can continue to take wood off around it to relief pressure, but the damage is probably already done. Dang!!
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well dont panic,, just dont take any wood off there,, make the bow a little lighter than you had in mind,,
what is the length of the stave,,,if you can tiller the bow so that spot is stiffer,, it will probably hold,,,osage is pretty tough, if you dont over strain the part any more and make a light weight bow,, it could work,, you dont have anything to loose so just take your time and give it a try, no you are not wasting your time,, you are learning something every time you work on a bow,, :) next time post pics of the long string and first braced and we can give you an idea how it looks bending
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Brad,
It's already past long string. I've shot it. It's a little lighter than I'd hoped but it's shootable. I flipped the tips to give a little more zip. I'm just worried those compressions are going to get worse. It looks like I got the hinge out. I'll try and get pics when I can. It's 60" from tip to tip. I've got some sinew and may try my hand at that. I've also entertained the idea of putting belly lams on too, or I may just leave it as is. :P Who knows. I appreciate all the help.
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well that sounds good,, if you are going to sinew something it is alot of work, too much work for a stave that might possibly have some issues
I would recommend a new piece of wood for that
and shoot the one you have as is,, :) that being said,, if it shoots for a while and does not get any worse,, would not hurt to practice a little sinew on it,,