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Title: Dry Air =
Post by: Marc St Louis on January 25, 2008, 10:05:31 pm
Winter time brings dry air. How dry?

I was working on this Elm backed Maple off and on for the last couple days. Had it tillered to about 80# @ 29" with a good tillered shape, as you can see in this photo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/More%20Msc%20Stuff/FullDraw.jpg)

I had drawn this bow several times to 29" and everything felt good. It had about 1/8" positive tiller and the backing seemed sound. Then I took it to 30" and one minute everything was ok then the bow was in several pieces. The camera caught the action

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/More%20Msc%20Stuff/Kaboom.jpg)

This is not the first bow I've had explode on me but it is the second I've caught on film. It never feels good when this happens

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Post by: sonny on January 25, 2008, 10:10:18 pm
probably still sweeping up chips, huh ??

man I hate it when that happens !!! >:( >:(
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Post by: PeteC on January 25, 2008, 10:14:42 pm
Sorry about the bow Marc,it is a mighty bad feeling,but that is an incredible photo! Did your wife take the picture? Hope you did'nt get whacked to hard.  God Bless, PeteC
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Post by: Marc St Louis on January 25, 2008, 10:22:34 pm
Actually I thought there would be pieces laying around Sonny but the 3 pieces you seen in the picture are all there were. The piece of limb heading for the fruit impaled an Apple.

I wasn't touched at all Pete. The camera was on a timer. It just happened to take the picture when the bow exploded
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Post by: Coo-wah-chobee on January 25, 2008, 10:30:01 pm
.........Yikes ! Know the feeling and like ya say aint a good one. Fortunately the piece impaled the apple NOT y'all. :o.......bob
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Post by: david w. on January 25, 2008, 10:34:47 pm
sorry about your bow.

that musta been scarry
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Post by: mamba on January 25, 2008, 10:53:11 pm
I think I would be a little gun shy for awhile.Glad your OK Marc.
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Post by: Rich Saffold on January 25, 2008, 11:30:32 pm
Wow Marc, both limbs at once, great shot. Popped my share in dry air so I feel your pain ;)

I know bows usually fail in tension, but do you think the elm failed first?

Rich-
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Post by: Justin Snyder on January 25, 2008, 11:46:24 pm
Wow that is a cool picture, even if it does suck to have a bow explode.  Glad your not sporting any new stitches.  Justin
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Post by: Dano on January 25, 2008, 11:48:22 pm
Dang Mark, lucky thing you didn't break the wifes china, that would have been bad. ;D
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Post by: M-P on January 25, 2008, 11:57:42 pm
Ouch!  I've had a couple of bows blow up too, though mine always seem to happen in the summer.  (San Jose gets ~ 6-8 months of glorius, dry sunshine and then rain through the winter.)  I'm glad you and the wife's china are OK.
Ron
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Post by: Lost Arra on January 26, 2008, 12:13:42 am
Yikes!!
Is that the string under your right arm in the second photo?

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Post by: Jesse on January 26, 2008, 12:26:26 am
That is awesome. Not breaking the bow but getting it on camera. You couldnt take a better picture if you knew it would happen. I just had a hickory backed hickory snap when I was stringing it. Sucks to see your work destroyed.      Jesse
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Post by: PK on January 26, 2008, 01:35:04 am
That would be the first time I ever seen a break in action.
That Photo a keeper at least.Glad the thing did'nt bonk ya in the Head, Good luck on the next one.
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Post by: cowboy on January 26, 2008, 01:42:11 am
What a shot! Picture like that aught to be worth something, at least more than the bow now. Too bad about that bow..
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Post by: DanaM on January 26, 2008, 08:20:37 am
That could make a guy nervous for awile eh. Just goes to show that everyone
breaks a bow now and then
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Post by: Marc St Louis on January 26, 2008, 09:35:24 am
I've had at least 1/2 a dozen literally explode on me and I've only been hit once or twice, I consider myself lucky  :)

It does look like the Elm let go Richard

Breaking her china would have been worse than breaking the bow, lucky twice over on this one.

That is indeed the string in my right armpit.

Here is the second bow I caught on film as it broke. It was a Bamboo backed Bloodwood and this one shattered to the point that I was picking pieces of Bloodwood off the floor for weeks.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/More%20Msc%20Stuff/End.jpg)
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Post by: Dano on January 26, 2008, 11:37:12 am
I have always heard that Bloodwood makes a spectacular explosion, don't know if I'll ever want to try that wood. Great pictures Marc, they aren't for the faint at heart.
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Post by: duffontap on January 26, 2008, 12:46:32 pm
What a rare catch Marc.  I had a bow break the same way once but it's wasn't 85#s.   :o 

          J. D.
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Post by: cowboy on January 26, 2008, 01:12:20 pm
Total chaos for a second or two - that picture captured it perfectly.
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Post by: Rich Saffold on January 26, 2008, 02:05:22 pm
Thanks Marc, Actually this thread has been a good reminder for me since I have plenty of bows living in these colder regions to  remind some folks to keep track of the humidity where they store their bows..

We never use a heater here so when it is naturally dry here the elm bows are the ones we like to use, plus hickory, and guava...To see an elm backing blow like that gets my attention..

Rich
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Post by: ozark caveman on January 26, 2008, 03:49:51 pm
Winter time brings dry air. How dry?

I was working on this Elm backed Maple off and on for the last couple days. Had it tillered to about 80# @ 29" with a good tillered shape, as you can see in this photo

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/More%20Msc%20Stuff/FullDraw.jpg)

I had drawn this bow several times to 29" and everything felt good. It had about 1/8" positive tiller and the backing seemed sound. Then I took it to 30" and one minute everything was ok then the bow was in several pieces. The camera caught the action

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v355/Marc-St-Louis/More%20Msc%20Stuff/Kaboom.jpg)

This is not the first bow I've had explode on me but it is the second I've caught on film. It never feels good when this happens


Did you have it tillered to 29" ? I'm wondering why you drew the bow past 29"? I've never had anything good come from overdrawing a bow :(
  I once had one of my dogwood bows break after sitting in the back of my truck on the way to a winter camp. It was there for 2 hours in 15 degree weather. I wonder if the cold caused that?
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Post by: medicinewheel on January 26, 2008, 05:49:22 pm

WOW! glad you didn't get hurt!
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Post by: Marc St Louis on January 26, 2008, 05:50:28 pm
OC
Well usually that is what you do when you are tillering a bow out. You go from 29" to 30" then to 31  :). This bow was 70" long and normally would have easily taken a 30" draw.

If you took the bow from your warm dry house then yes that could easily have done it. Cold air draws moisture to it so it would have dried the surface wood out, good for compression but bad for tension
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Post by: Easternarcher on January 26, 2008, 11:26:23 pm
Holy Cr*&*&%^&P! :o :o MArc, that musta messed yer drawers!
Glad you weren't hurt in the episode...
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on January 27, 2008, 11:39:54 am
WOW! I've had about 6 go at full draw too. I think. None that pretty though. It's pretty dry in NH in the winter too. Who knows why that one broke.  Tiller is excellent. I will say this thought I almost never draw a  bow more  than on inch further than I've  tillered it on my rope and pulley at a safe  distance away. Marc, I admire your courage. :) Jawge
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Post by: Ryano on January 27, 2008, 12:36:38 pm
To bad about the bow Marc, but those pictures are cool! What are the chances of the timer going off at that exact second? and more than once. wow!
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Post by: Pappy on January 27, 2008, 01:34:17 pm
Been there,done that,just never caught it on film.Cool pictures tho. :)
   Pappy
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Post by: Pat B on January 27, 2008, 03:00:25 pm
The old adage..."a bow fully drawn is 9/10th broken" comes to mind with these pics. I had an ERC ELB style bow blow a few years ago :o. I still flinch when I see pics like these.     Pat