Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: Parnell on April 01, 2015, 02:37:41 pm
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I'm curious about how viewpoints regarding the topic of animals and their ability to feel pain. I know most folks do their best to make ethical decisions in general when it comes to hunting, but we do miss shots and we do at times make mistakes and have poor judgment. I'm curious about opinions on whether you think animals feel pain and suffer the same as people or differently.
Please, no arguing.
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It kills me Par Par. Every critter I kill I feel a lot of remorse for and it moves me. The older I get the more I feel it. Farm animals are different, I can do whatever is needed with them. I cant explain why it varies.
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Yes. How they inturpret that pain (understanding the whys and hows) may be a different issue. Without pain no species would not know how and why to avoid potential species ending scenerios.
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Yeah they feel pain and if i don't have a quick kill it really bothers me , but they taste so damn good >:D
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yes they do. I have seen bears cry in pain after being hit by cars. I watch my old dog as she gets up every morning... won't be too long before i gotta put her down. legs are starting to give out when she walks..... Quicker is better, sometimes it just don't work that way.
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Of course they feel the pain but they have not yet learned to get sympathy because other animals really don't care.
I have shot many deer eating clover, the others disappear for a bit then come back and munch the clover over the dead
buck. I have been filleting the fish while alive and will most likely burn in hell.
Zuma
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Of course they feel the pain but they have not yet learned to get sympathy because other animals really don't care.
I have shot many deer eating clover, the others disappear for a bit then come back and munch the clover over the dead
buck. I have been filleting the fish while alive and will most likely burn in hell.
Zuma
You will have plenty of company then..... :laugh:
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I would not touch this one with a flight bow.
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As the only one in the equation with the concepts of mercy and compassion in the game of hunter and hunted, it is our responsibility to do what we can about it, to the best of our ability, and to answer for it when we screw up.
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As the only one in the equation with the concepts of mercy and compassion in the game of hunter and hunted, it is our responsibility to do what we can about it, to the best of our ability, and to answer for it when we screw up.
Well stated, JW.
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I've watched a lot of turkeys deal with it. I don't know how many gobblers I've seen deal with the heart felt grief watching their buddy die, and then celebrate his sad departure into the afterlife, (my freezer) by taking turns having sex with it. Now, that's remorse and feelings!
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Lemme get this straight mullet.. you let your turkeys have sex with a frozen turkey? Well thats one interesting way to marinate or baste your turkey.
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Good question. Animals certainly have to deal with pain in a different way than we do. If they spend too much time fussing and sitting down when they are in pain (like we do) they get eaten pretty quick. I think nature has put a high tolerance for pain into most animals, for their own good.
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Of course they do, that is why stray dogs yelp when I shoot them. ;) :) :) OK lets be serious they feel pain but as JW said it's our responsibility to do the best we can and hopefully most of us feel remorse when we fail to do that. Their understanding of pain is certainly different from ours and I think that is where folks get into trouble[animal rights folks] thinking that they think and feel as we do. :) They were put here for us to enjoy and use as needed. ;)
Pappy
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Sure they feel pain but the have a high resiliency towards it. I think they have the ability to turn it off actually. More like, "Ok, that hurt. Better get out of here and turn off the pain so I can function. " based on no evidence just observing and wishing I could do that.
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Excellent comments, all of them. I'm enjoying this.
I wasn't raised to hunt and have wondered if those that were are more immune to the feelings of remorse - that sick feeling. I suppose it's an individual thing.
Pap, you made me laugh with your comment on stray dogs. I APPLAUD you for performing a necessary task, I'd say you are doing the right thing. It would be very tough for me to, but I think I would. In my mind, better than the animals not being properly looked after and suffering from malnutrition, disease, suffering from a broken back on the side of a road, continuing to breed and cycle the suffering, etc.
Ben your comment made me reflect. The sound of a wounded animal makes me cringe. It's those sounds and the unknown that bother me.
PD - I'm curious if you were raised to slaughter farm animals. Do you think that it is a conditioned effect? I wonder if those that come to hunt in their adulthood and not as children feel this way more? Dunno, but a curious thought.
Eddie - So glad you chimed in to balance the equation. I'll never forget my first real hunt with you in Georgia and what went down!
The idea of fish being treated so horribly is an interesting thing. I've been reading that they do not. It does occur to me that fish are really treated terribly. Shoot, I treat fish worse than probably any other living thing as far as using them for bait, shark fishing, etc.
Like I said, part of this topic...in my head, is that I've been thinking about lately is how we individually validate what good hunting (and fishing) ethics are in our own minds.
Thanks guys, keep the comments coming.
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I think, like some of the guy's have already said that animals can tolerate pain more than we understand,or some how turn it off, maybe they interpet pain differently than we do.
I'll always remember one time my buddy shot a deer with a 12 guage slug and I went to help him track it, there was snow on the ground and the buck was bleeding heavily. Tracking was easy and at first the buck ran straight up the hill. When he got to the top of the hill the tracks changed, they started to wander around, like a normal deer going about his daily routine, it was obvious that he did not know that we were tracking him, he even went up to a sapling and rubbed it, there was little bits of fresh bark on top of the snow. We trailed him until he went off on to posted land where we could not follow. To this day I am convinced that after the initial shock of being shot, the buck forgot or did not know that it was wounded.
Kevin
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I can do both ,but it bothers me more to kill raised animals than wild, don't know why, :-\ it just like OK I was raised to be killed and eaten, at least the wild ones have a chance of evading me. ;) :) :)
Pappy
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I love animals. I felt terrible when I shot my first deer. I still hunt but you really absolutely HAVE to respect the life they have. More now than ever because we no longer depend on them for existence. We may choose to end their life and thats fine but it borders on spiritual the respect you must have in doing so. From deer to mice I dont enjoy killing. Farm animals I have raised? Couldnt do it. I cared for them. Cant kill an animal I cared for. Respect for those that can. Thank you too.
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"PD - I'm curious if you were raised to slaughter farm animals. Do you think that it is a conditioned effect? I wonder if those that come to hunt in their adulthood and not as children feel this way more? Dunno, but a curious thought."
I was surely conditioned man. It started at age 5 in my family. We all gathered at Uncle Duane's for an old fashioned 100 chicken butcher fest. My dad, although a state retiree, is a professional meat processor. So I have seen farm animals dispatched in every way you can imagine. My remorse for wild critters comes from my great appreciation for the rugged life they live. Even here in farm country they still get hungry, wet and cold with no roof anywhere to huddle under. Farm animals have it dicked from birth most often!
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I've watched a lot of turkeys deal with it. I don't know how many gobblers I've seen deal with the heart felt grief watching their buddy die, and then celebrate his sad departure into the afterlife, (my freezer) by taking turns having sex with it. Now, that's remorse and feelings!
Ah, a touching response...I love it! Gots some rabbits to butcher now, they won't feel a thing! :laugh:
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I imagine they feel physical pain the same as we do. I would guess that their tolerance of it varies wildly from species to species, and from individual to individual, but I would suspect that among mammals we all feel it relatively the same.
But many animals lack the intelligence to make the connection between pain and other emotions. For example most animals are not aware of their own mortality; therefore they lack fear of death. Fear is an emotion, but pain is a physical sensation. So while animals likely feel pain just as keenly as we do, they probably do not feel the intense fear of death that we associate with extreme pain.
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The brain configuration is such in animals that they still feel pain, but do not turn the pain into what we do as humans. I always feel for the animals I kill, even fish. I have seen one deer gut shot and I will never forget that scream. Death is part of the game. Wild animals at least get to live free till the end. It bothers me when young hunters aren't taught to respect the annals they kill. My nephew being about the worst case.
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It's a lot worse when an animal is killed by another animal, piece by piece. Or, partially consumed while still alive.
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I am usually not at a loss for words, but this post made me really think about what happens when we hunt and take an animal's life. Short answer from me would be yes, I think they are more like us in their response to pain than you would think. Years ago I took a doe that had a yearling with her. I listened to that yearling blowing and running around looking for her for several minutes after the shot. Made me feel terrible. I have grown more selective about what animal I choose to take. I think animals have souls and that the woods are a very spiritual place. The killing is my least favorite part of the whole process, but I am a hunter and I can't change what I am, so I make the best shot that I can and try to make a swift clean kill. The game animals know what they are put on this earth to be and I don't feel haunted by them, but I do feel the connectedness of the natural world. Each kill will be a part of you from now on, so it behooves you to do it with respect, honor, and reverence for your prey. Everything in the woods has a job to do, both the hunter and the hunted. I am thankful every year that I get to take part in this age old ritual again. It is as close to a church as I am ever apt to be. Thanks for posing this question Parnell. Set my wheels to turning...
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I have sadness and joy with every kill and the utmost respect and remorse for every one of the animals domestic and wild who's life I have taken....and hope one day that I will return that ....feel pain u bet they do
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I agree with Eddie. Pain is relative. We tend to kill qiicker than most predators. Suffering and dieing is part of life, reducing the suffering is the best we can do.
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Parnell we raised hogs, chickens, rabbits and chickens and cattle and killed them all for food, even as a little guy i never had a problem killing or eating animals we raised
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Of course they feel pain, but we can't take the woes of the world on our shoulders. We just gotta do the best we can in our circumstances and in our consciences.
My daughter is vegetarian but she will eat wild stuff that my brother has shot (pigeon, rabbit) because she has knows it's had a wild and free existence and been killed quick and humanely. It's like if a goat fell off the mountain and was lyin' there half dead it would be cruel not to put it out of it's misery and once dead it would be a damn waste not to eat it! :laugh
Mind I gotta admit, when our old cat died :-X we didn't eat her >:D
Del
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Del; cat taste like raccoon, and the fur makes good string silencers. :)
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Mullet, why do I believe you?
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I'm with H.Rhodes...Thanks Howard, couldn't have been said any better...
Don
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Mullet, why do I believe you?
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I've got to be honest, I've been reading the post about being spiritual and praising the dead animal and the sorrow for pain. Well, when I shoot something I want it to fall quick, mostly so I don't have to blood trail it far or untill midnite, and then spend the rest of the night dragging and cleaning it just to get up with no sleep and do it again.
When I wound an animal I'm pissed at myself for making a bad shot, prolonging the animal's agony and mine, also.I hunt because I like to and like to eat the bounty from the harvest, the same as when I fish. And I don't think I've ever shed a tear over a fish being in pain, either.
If I say a little prayer it's usually a Thank you for not losing the animal or for not having to drag it for a half a mile.
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Very logical response.
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Dead on Mullet, especially the last sentence.
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Wheeew! Thought I'd check this real quick and see the beating I was going to get. :o
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Eddie, I can see your years of experience in your responces. :)
DBar
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Wheeew! Thought I'd check this real quick and see the beating I was going to get. :o
Its all the same Eddie, nothing anybody can get upset over. Some us are stone cold killers and some of us aren't. But we are all hunters, that's all that matters to me.
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Ha, Eddie you are around the most accepting group of people you could ever meet. Rare is the crazy guy we wont accept among us. You'd have be of the exceptionally squirrely type to be shunned. Lol...
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I have seen a lot of killing and dieing in my time, animal and human. I'm with Howard on this one as well. But like was said it's personal to each man to live with himself.
rich
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Do animals feel pain? Yes, even fish I'm afraid. It's just harder to relate to a fish. That's what it means to have a nervous system. That one is hard to argue from a biological stand point.
Do I feel remorse for causing prolonged unnecessary pain to another living creature? Yes, and I think most good ethical hunters do. This is one of the curses that come with a "higher intelligence", empathy.
Do I feel remorse when taking an animals life? No. Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life.
We are the animals the animals are us. They are alive same as us and we share that energy. This feeling of connectivity comes with spending time in the woods. I know guys that only enter the forest during hunting season. If they see a deer, it's always a target and their only concern is killing it. I spend every free moment I have in the woods. Most of the time I see animals in the forest, I am not there to harm them and have no intentions in doing so. I see the forest itself is an animal. I am just one of the many animals within it, and we are all parts of it. I see these animals live before I help them to die, so that I in turn may live. Seeing the bigger picture makes it easier to live, to kill, to know death awaits, and to eventually die. It is the way it is meant to be.
We tell crying children "that's just part of nature" when the lion kills the baby zebra. Yet we seldom say the same about hunters, using instead fear of over population, disease and famine to justify the killing. I always wondered why. I suppose all the blaze orange gore tex, heated enclosed tree stands, and wal-mart artillery/ ammo, makes for a very strange looking lion indeed. If we as a society we more a part of nature, would hunters be viewed in a different light?
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Yep Pearl and I get to spend a few days with that stone cold killer each year, he is that for sure. ;) :) :) One of the hardest hunters I have known. :)
Pappy
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This thread has been great. Thanks to all of you for your thoughts and keeping it on the up and up.
Dakota Kid, I like some of the points you bring up, thanks for contributing and welcome to PA.
"Stone Cold" Eddie Parker...I like it. That may be a new nickname... ;D ;D ;D ;)
Initially, I started this thread because I made a foolish shot and "winged" a critter with poor arrow choice and realized I'd made a stupid mistake. Well, that critter is running around no worse for the wear and I suppose I've learned a lesson. Animals are pretty damn tough, and if you want to kill something make sure your point is as good as you can send down range.
I felt remorse and that's ok...I suppose it let's me know that may brain is working properly...still. I realize that I'd have felt less remorse if I'd flat killed the animal. As said, no shame in killing, it's just part of nature and I didn't come up with the rules. I think the real shame is for people in our culture to go about their daily life of eating animals without ever having known the feelings associated with depriving an animal of it's life.
This has been productive for me, so again, thanks to you all for contributing.
Be well, folks. :)
Stephen Parnell
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Hmmm, now I sound like a Serial Killer. 8)
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Maybe a cereal killer Eddie, but not a serial killer!
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Hmmm, now I sound like a Serial Killer. 8)
No, I don't buy it! If you were all that "stone cold" about it, you wouldn't give these critters such an awesome advantage over you by hunting with a stick and a string ;D
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Steve;
Like I told you when we talked the other night, I think the biggest mistake was showing off. If you had been hunting you would have probably concentrated more and killed the little booger. And never do that in front of a woman that has never seen something get pierced with an arrow ::) :-\ :)
Howard, thanks for the nice words,, but I do pull out the Flintlocks, cap and balls, .300 WinMag, 44mag, AR-15, blow guns, sling shots, pellet rifles, spears, or whatever the situation dictates or tickles my fancy ;) ;D.
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See! Stone Cold Eddie. Get the t-shirts made.
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I am no purist - when the freezer gets low or the need arises I have no problem going to the rifle. It is all the same to me, I just like shooting a bow! Regardless of our viewpoints, hunters need to stand up for each other now days. Like someone mentioned above, we do live in a society that is getting further and further removed from nature. This button pushing, technological, civilization that gets more insulated from the natural world every passing day, will start to look at us all like we are aliens, or maybe relics from another age. Either way, we got to stick together and keep our hunting traditions alive, or they could easily be lost. I applaud all of you who are passing it on to the next generations.
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So right, Howard. :)
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This ain't about you guys feeling pain.
The question was --- Do the gritters feel it?
Zuma
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Agreed, Eddie.
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This ain't about you guys feeling pain.
The question was --- Do the gritters feel it?
Zuma
Not if you kill them. ::)
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;D :laugh:
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Gues after they are dead it dont matter no more. Only pain left is draggin them out and cleaning them...
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This has been an interesting thread. I suppose I will chime in. I think they probabley do feel pain but don't process it the same way we do. I'm sure there desire to survive and live, which is instinctive does not include " I'm going to miss junior when I'm gone" like ours would be if we were gut shot my an ill placed arrow. I don't believe that animals have the ability to reason quite that far as we humans do.
Its interesting, it seems like warm blooded animals effect me waaay different than birds or fish or snakes. I remember the first warm blooded animal I ever killed. It was a moving experience for me. I did'nt grow up hunting, we fished and I never ever remember feeling remorse or sorrow at fileting the fish while its gills were still moving. Never felt remorse at cutting off the head of the snake and skinning it and its still wriggling likes its alive. Never felt remorse at putting a turkey down with my self bow unless I did'nt get it recovered until the next morning and found that the coyotes enjoyed my offering instead of it gracing my dinner table. I still feel some form of melancholy emotion whenever I take a deer. So although this topic was about animals and whether they feel the pain, I like the comments on how we feel about it when we inflict it. I think the more we do it the less we feel. It puts it into a different perspective and so it has less effect on us than it did in the beginning of our killing. So I think that our taking a life is not a light thing, but so long as we are not reveling in the pain we bring, our seared conscience is not completely with out the ability to continue to feel. If we are into blood sport and enjoy inflicting pain we are already lost. I hunt and then therefore I kill. If needed I will kill to defend my loved ones or myself but it does'nt mean I enjoy it, its just how it is. I think there is value in the tenderness of one that does not kill and does not have the desire to kill but I also recognize that in this world, something has to die so that others might live.
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Very well said sidewinder. :)
Pappy
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I agree, well stated. :)
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Untill a animal tells someone well never know will we. In the mean time I'll get arrowing gobblers and bucks. Where I grew up I'm not that far my fokes useing animals for needed food. So
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This ain't about you guys feeling pain.
The question was --- Do the gritters feel it?
Zuma
You guys are so vain, you probably think this thread is about you.
For sure they feel pain. Pappy's comment about stray dogs is comical but right on. I've watched archery bear hunts on TV and the bears scream out when they get shot. I think some animals are more cognitive of pain and how they perceive it than others but they are not incapacitated by it like humans sometimes are. Kick the average human male in the groin and he will curl up in the fetal position and cry and be completely defenseless. Shoot deer with buckshot and he will use all his power to run and evade whatever danger just threatened him. He can't afford to curl up and cry about it but once he gets to safety he will lay down and lick his wounds and deal with the pain. Anyone who has a dog knows they have emotion too. When you hurt and fell bad they know it and react accordingly. They relate at least somewhat. Try to make it as quick and ethical as possible.
Now about me. lol. I'm in the boat with mullet. I not happy when I wound an animal but no tears are shed. The only sleep I lose is from frustration over a missed opportunity and replaying it in my head. I always try to kill quick and clean and spend as much time as I feel is necessary to find a lost animal but in the end if it does happen.....coyotes have to eat too. I've only lost 2 deer that I know were hit since I've been hunting and I think 1 of those wasn't a fatal hit. I've missed my share. I do get a little lump in my throat if I have to finish off a deer by hand which has only happened a time or 3 but I do what is necessary. Only 1 was an animal I shot. When I was little I shot a dove with my BB gun and it just lodged in the breast. I caught the bird and put him in a cage because I felt bad. I kept him a couple of days and cleaned out the wound and let him go in the corn field. I'm sure the first possum that came along had a good lunch but I thought I had done the right thing but that was a long time ago. Like a shirt I saw said....The only thing I feel when I shoot a deer is recoil.
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Hunting pigs with a jeep your more like mad max
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Being able to kill an animal with minimal remorse is something you can learn.
I used to be a vegetarian for most of my adult life (not for reasons of animal welfare, more out of protest against the farming industry). Since my wife and I started a modest little farm with chickens, ducks and a few cows, I started to eat meat again on a regular basis. Still not the amounts most people eat, but I enjoy eating what I've raised more than anything else.
For me it's a click in the head: I know this or that calf will be butchered some day, and if I were allowed, I would rather kill it myself than let a stranger do it. Not because I have grown a liking to killing animals, far from it, but just for the sake of the animal. Being in a familiar environment or with a familiar person when it happens, rather than being put in a stressful environment with strange people surely helps to reduce suffering to a minimum. It's a matter of respect. With wild animals, they are never/always in a stressful environment, so shooting it doesn't add to that unless you don't shoot straight...
As for pain: even lobsters feel pain, as suggested by research http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/08/experiments-reveal-that-crabs-and-lobsters-feel-pain.html
So it's a hunter's job (and a farmer's and butcher's job) to ensure that suffering is reduced to a minimum. Just out of respect for the animal you will eat or sell.
And there's a final economic argument as well: the meat of stressed animals is less tender and tasty than that of unstressed animals. So it's also in the farmer's own interest to stress his animals the least possible. And probably also in the hunter's interest to have a clean quick kill (apart from the time not spent trailing a wounded animal).
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Being able to kill an animal with minimal remorse is something you can learn.
I used to be a vegetarian for most of my adult life (not for reasons of animal welfare, more out of protest against the farming industry). Since my wife and I started a modest little farm with chickens, ducks and a few cows, I started to eat meat again on a regular basis. Still not the amounts most people eat, but I enjoy eating what I've raised more than anything else.
For me it's a click in the head: I know this or that calf will be butchered some day, and if I were allowed, I would rather kill it myself than let a stranger do it. Not because I have grown a liking to killing animals, far from it, but just for the sake of the animal. Being in a familiar environment or with a familiar person when it happens, rather than being put in a stressful environment with strange people surely helps to reduce suffering to a minimum. It's a matter of respect. With wild animals, they are never/always in a stressful environment, so shooting it doesn't add to that unless you don't shoot straight...
As for pain: even lobsters feel pain, as suggested by research http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/08/experiments-reveal-that-crabs-and-lobsters-feel-pain.html
So it's a hunter's job (and a farmer's and butcher's job) to ensure that suffering is reduced to a minimum. Just out of respect for the animal you will eat or sell.
And there's a final economic argument as well: the meat of stressed animals is less tender and tasty than that of unstressed animals. So it's also in the farmer's own interest to stress his animals the least possible. And probably also in the hunter's interest to have a clean quick kill (apart from the time not spent trailing a wounded animal).
Being able to kill an animal with minimal remorse is something you can learn.
I used to be a vegetarian for most of my adult life (not for reasons of animal welfare, more out of protest against the farming industry). Since my wife and I started a modest little farm with chickens, ducks and a few cows, I started to eat meat again on a regular basis. Still not the amounts most people eat, but I enjoy eating what I've raised more than anything else.
For me it's a click in the head: I know this or that calf will be butchered some day, and if I were allowed, I would rather kill it myself than let a stranger do it. Not because I have grown a liking to killing animals, far from it, but just for the sake of the animal. Being in a familiar environment or with a familiar person when it happens, rather than being put in a stressful environment with strange people surely helps to reduce suffering to a minimum. It's a matter of respect. With wild animals, they are never/always in a stressful environment, so shooting it doesn't add to that unless you don't shoot straight...
As for pain: even lobsters feel pain, as suggested by research http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/08/experiments-reveal-that-crabs-and-lobsters-feel-pain.html
So it's a hunter's job (and a farmer's and butcher's job) to ensure that suffering is reduced to a minimum. Just out of respect for the animal you will eat or sell.
And there's a final economic argument as well: the meat of stressed animals is less tender and tasty than that of unstressed animals. So it's also in the farmer's own interest to stress his animals the least possible. And probably also in the hunter's interest to have a clean quick kill (apart from the time not spent trailing a wounded animal).
Being able to kill an animal with minimal remorse is something you can learn.
I used to be a vegetarian for most of my adult life (not for reasons of animal welfare, more out of protest against the farming industry). Since my wife and I started a modest little farm with chickens, ducks and a few cows, I started to eat meat again on a regular basis. Still not the amounts most people eat, but I enjoy eating what I've raised more than anything else.
For me it's a click in the head: I know this or that calf will be butchered some day, and if I were allowed, I would rather kill it myself than let a stranger do it. Not because I have grown a liking to killing animals, far from it, but just for the sake of the animal. Being in a familiar environment or with a familiar person when it happens, rather than being put in a stressful environment with strange people surely helps to reduce suffering to a minimum. It's a matter of respect. With wild animals, they are never/always in a stressful environment, so shooting it doesn't add to that unless you don't shoot straight...
As for pain: even lobsters feel pain, as suggested by research http://blogs.nature.com/news/2013/08/experiments-reveal-that-crabs-and-lobsters-feel-pain.html
So it's a hunter's job (and a farmer's and butcher's job) to ensure that suffering is reduced to a minimum. Just out of respect for the animal you will eat or sell.
And there's a final economic argument as well: the meat of stressed animals is less tender and tasty than that of unstressed animals. So it's also in the farmer's own interest to stress his animals the least possible. And probably also in the hunter's interest to have a clean quick kill (apart from the time not spent trailing a wounded animal).
Do you think your animals might feel the emotion of betrayal instead of pain?
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Steve;
Like I told you when we talked the other night, I think the biggest mistake was showing off. If you had been hunting you would have probably concentrated more and killed the little booger. And never do that in front of a woman that has never seen something get pierced with an arrow ::) :-\ :)
Howard, thanks for the nice words,, but I do pull out the Flintlocks, cap and balls, .300 WinMag, 44mag, AR-15, blow guns, sling shots, pellet rifles, spears, or whatever the situation dictates or tickles my fancy ;) ;D.
Eddie. . It was my wife...
when i explained the critter was still alive but she doubted the story till we went back in the backyard and he ran out across a limb. . Stored and shoot us a dirty look then turned on the afterburner. ..
We talked about it all the way home and she is open to the idea of starting hunting with me. ..
But boy howdy.. that little Cuban had fire in her eyes for about 5 mins. .lol
But like i said she got over it. . And she found she really enjoys shooting bows. ...
I just don't think squirrel hunting will be in her future. ..
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Glad to hear it. :)
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Paco, That is funny. I have squirrels that haul ass when they see me pick up the pellet rifle by the door in the shop.