Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Badly Bent on May 07, 2015, 09:38:01 pm
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About a year or so ago paulsemp gave me a 3' dia. piece of osage. Started on a bow out of it this week and thought I would leave one ring of sapwood intact on the back but as I chased it down to that last sapwood ring I found this. Seems heart and sap weave in and out of this one ring, sapwood turning to heart or just some strange melding of the two. The back is clean with a ring chased and not violated and I have the bow pulling to 19' now. Hope to get it pulling to full draw and shooting this weekend. Thought you some of you guys might like seeing this as I've never run into this before.
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Man!! That looks awesome! I have never seen that. Sort of looks like the Butterscotch/vanilla fudge sickles that my Mom used to make us kids when I was little! Too cool! Josh
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That looks pretty cool Greg. I hope it turns out. I would like to see that in person at Marshall.
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That thing is looking pretty darn cool Greg. Almost looks like sap turning to heart. Was it standing dead or live? Can't wait to see it finished
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Thats cool! I have had a small amount with blotches of sap wood but never the swirls you have. Should be a beauty after it seasons a bit. One of my first stave bows I built was possibley a black locust I will never know but had dark chocalate heartwood mixed with snow white sapwood. I ruined the bow but kept it as a wall hanger as it was really beautiful.
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Like Josh I thought of the orange cream sickle! Can't say I've ever seen that Greg. Wouldn't think it would cause any problems on the back. Can't wait to see it finished.
Tracy
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Unique for sure. Cant wait to see it finished up.
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As soon as I read Doc's reply I had to go to the kitchen and fix meself a banana split. ;D
I'll bring it to Marshall Ryan, may even wait till then to finish tillering it to get some input from the gang before I get a hinge worked into it.
Matt, Paul cuts and uses standing dead wood but this wasn't one of those, it was cut by him in feb. 2013
and stood in my shop the past year until I removed the bark last week.
Badger, I hope I get a bow out of this one and don't end up with a wall hanger, the look of it is really striking when seen in person.
Tracy, I don't think the back will be a problem. Have it braced and drawing around 45# at 19-20" now, just got to get it to my 25" draw with good tiller.
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Awesome... To me it kinda looks like long flowing campfire flames burning up the limbs.
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Now that is gonna be a real looker Greg! Cant wait to see it all prettied up.
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Another stave i should of never gave away :'( Just kidding, glad you found that in there. I would of rip right threw down to gold and never found that. Hope it works out for ya. Wife is gone over night tomorrow, got anything going? I plan on getting ready for Marshall
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Wow, that is going to be one great looking bow. Good luck with it.
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It look like that osage's momma got down with a hornbeam. It definitely reminds me of the way an american HB/blue beech back looks.
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Wonder if that was cut just as the next layer of sapwood was making the transformation to yellow? That's a super cool looking piece of wood.
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That will make a great looking bow Greg. I've only cut one small tree that had the transition from sapwood to heartwood happening similar to that. I made Pearly a bow from one stave, traded the other to WillH at the Classic this year, and I still have one left that I'm not letting go of. Your stave has a larger swirl pattern that stands out more. Mine was more with the individual grain lines.
Here is what I made Pearly's bow from. As far as I know its still shooting.
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/SDC14808.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/SDC14812.jpg)
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/SDC14814.jpg)
Here is the piece that I traded to Will. I chased the ring at the Classic this year
(http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r55/clintanders/Mobile%20Uploads/20150427_210549.jpg)
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That's something real special right there
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I experienced a similar phenomena in a recent Osage stave, but not to that extent. I kept getting confused as to what ring I was on. I eventually went down to the next ring and the confusion went away with a normal back.
That's going to be a most interesting bow......keep us posted.
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I've seen a bit that before, but I always just go on down to the next ring. I'll have to try to chase that next ring up and see what I get, but I expect I'll just get lost like Drewster. That bow is going to be beautiful when you finish it. I'll be anxiously awaiting your updates.
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That is stunning greg, might be the only bow you build i don't want to see you paint anything on
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I can't wait to see what you create out of that piece. Really cool stave you got there.
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I have seen that before with yew, but only on the edge of the bow, have never chased down into it. Sure looks amazing on that particular piece of osage Greg!
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It look like that osage's momma got down with a hornbeam. It definitely reminds me of the way an american HB/blue beech back looks.
;D ;D ;D
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Looks like a great stave. Jawge
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I like the looks of that Greg, never seen that before...Looks like your doing it justice and can't wait to see the finished bow man 8)...
Don
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That's really cool, Greg! Can't wait to see that one.
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Gonna be some kinda good looker!
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Thats a beauty!..... Brian
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Hey Greg, that is a extremely pretty piece of wood sir. The "bleeding" color pattern reminds me of a "cats-eye" marble....be a good name for her when your done.
rich
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Cream cycles are so cool !
See ya soon!
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That is an incredibly unique looking piece of osage you got there BB. I'm sure you will do something amazing with it. I can't wait to see it finished.
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Saw that beautiful piece of wood at the Classic this year in stave form......sure didn't take you long to get started making a bow out of it. :) ;) Can't wait to see that sucker all finished up.
DBar
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Worked the belly a little more, got it drawing to 22" now. Anymore I don't get to upset when a bow blows up while making it but I don't want to ruin this one so going slow from here out. May not find a piece like this again ever. I believe the back will be fine and won't lift a splinter, the knots are actually more of a concern.
This one won't get any decoration, paint or add ons. :)
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Greg, have you left that last sapwood ring on very many bows? I was just wondering if this is as rare as I think it is.
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I've only left a ring of sapwood on osage one time Howard and that was recently and the bow didn't survive to full draw. Wasn't the sapwood that failed, just bad tillering at the fades and got it bending to much at the handle. Did a mulberry a couple years ago with one ring of sapwood intact that came out nice. Cody has that one now and it is one of my favorites of all the bows I've made so far.
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Come on hurry up....ya got that creamscicle shooting yet? ::) ....every great once in awhile I've come across these in that last layer of sapwood transitioning to heartwood.
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Maybe tomorrow Chris, wifes got me doing some spring cleaning today. I keep taking these breaks to get on PA and take a breather but she's pushing me hard to do other things around the house. :'( ;D ;D
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Same here Greg...... :) the knee excuse doesn't work anymore after the Classic. ;D
DBar
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That's really unusual looking, never seen that on my stuff. Obviously the time when the sap changes into the heartwood. Do you what month it was cut?
And - I'm sure we will see a fine bow soon ....
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Maybe tomorrow Chris, wifes got me doing some spring cleaning today. I keep taking these breaks to get on PA and take a breather but she's pushing me hard to do other things around the house. :'( ;D ;D
Yeah it's great going on our little outings. Only to come home and realize that the wife only had more time to find things for us to do! I'm with you buddy! Patrick
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Tiller input welcome, here's where I'm at with it now. Have it drawing to 22" and feels about in the low
40's # at that length. Want to take it to 25" and anything above 45# at my 24" draw. I have to do some string alignment adjustment tomorrow but that should be easy with the heat gun.
The setback you see in the handle area is natural and was there from the start, not fond of that much setback all in the handle area. I tried heating a little out when I had the bow roughed but only eliminated a very small amount. Shot about 70 arrows out of it at the short 22" draw and it has a bit of handshock.
Tiller critique welcomed, I don't want to crank her back in further at this point so any input is welcome.
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Here's the back profile/shape
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That's terrible looking, I'll send ya my info for proper disposal >:D she's a beauty, nice bend
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the second full draw picture appears that just out of the handle on the bottom is a little stiff.did you try steam to get that set back handle out?
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No chance Blaflair. >:D
Didn't apply steam Paul but your right that would do it. It may not show in the unbraced pic. but the reflex in more pronounced out of the handle at the bottom limb. Do you think it would be a good idea to take a little of that reflex out of the handle at this point? I was thinking of doing that but wasn't sure if that would be a good idea and don't want to experiment on this one. Will I lose draw weight doing that? I haven't heat treated the limbs so I could do some of that to get some weight back if I lose some .
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me personally I would steam a little of that setback in the handle out and I would temper the living daylights out of it with a couple inches of reflex in it. then I would bring it to Marshall, certainly won't be a shortage of opinions there. by the way Greg, did you make a bow for your grandson? if not I can bring my daughters. 10 @15 inches, not sure how old or big he is. I got some quarter inch dowel arrows that fly like darts out of a 10 pound bow
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Lookin good. Can't wait to see it completed
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Yes, looks great so far. Not far away from completed ...
Super job as always, Greg.
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Look'n sweet Greg,
I'm sure you'll bring it to Marshal and give it away to the guy that camps next to you......right? >:D
DBar
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I'm calling dibs on the spot next to Greg.
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That is beautiful wood. I sure hope it'll stay sound for you,and,that there's not enough sapwood in the back to weaken it. Hope you can pull it off. God Bless
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Osage is a crazy wood
Awesome
to cool
Bad as_
:)
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You guys are funny, I think I'll keep this one if it survives. ;)
Took Paul's advice and heated a little reflex out of the handle area, then heat treated and reflexed one limb.
Tomorrow I'll flip it over on the caul and heat treat and reflex the other limb to match. With any luck it won't need much in the tiller adjustments and will become a bow again. I'll string it up sunday morning and see where it sits at brace then decide if I want towork it or wait till Marshall and get some help from my yahoo friends. ;D
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Sounds good! I would love to see it but I won't be at Marshall. Patrick
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I'd keep it as natural as possable. NO HEAT
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very very cool, looks like a Carmel
chuck
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Very nice looking bow
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All done with this bow now. I've been shooting it heavily for the past two weeks and am very pleased with how it came out. Draws and shoots smooth as silk, good cast, clean arrow flight and accurate. Once in a while a guy can get lucky and get a bow made that just feels alive in the hand while shooting it. :)
For whatever reason this one is that kind of bow for me, everything just feels right when I send an arrow off. Took my friend Paul's advice and heat treated it heavily prior to final tweaks of the tiller and getting it
out to full draw. Snaps right back into its unbraced reflex when unstringing after each shooting session.
Some stiff areas showing in the full draw due to location of some knots but seeing how it shoots so well
and is not taking additional set anywhere I'm not gonna mess with anything.
Heres the specs and the last pics of the finished bow;
56" ntn
45# @ 24"
Simple deerskin leather thong wrap at arrow pass with string of beads tied on.
1 3/16" wide at handle / 1/2" wide at tips
beeswax finish
Thanks for looking
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Stunning, absolutely stunning bow Greg.
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Outstanding! Nicely done. Jawge
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Truly, one of a kind. Congrats!!
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That looks awesome. Nice work Greg. Still not sure how you guys do this...
-Jeremy
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Thanks Aaron, George and Mike. It was a unique stave and I was lucky to be gifted it by Pauly, I'm happy it turned out the way it did and that I got it done without any problems or breakage. :)
Thanks Jeremy, next time we get together at Paul's shop we'll dig though his stash while he's in the house cooking for us and see if we can find more staves like that. ;)
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That is a beauty of a stick Greg and i like that you kept it simple to let the wood stand on its own
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Love that thing. One of the many bows at Marshall that had brimming with inspiration when I got home.
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Always admire your skills Greg. This one is no different, just simply excellent! Now that I've shortened my draw length that would fit ME perfectly! ;D
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yeah buddy, nice job Greg
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Beautiful bow Greg!
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That's a beauty.
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Beautiful bow, good job on that one!
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Wow what a cool looking bow. Thanks for sharing it
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Great looking bow Greg.
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Just saw this Greg. That bow is exceptional in every way. I'm in love withe the grain! You da man!
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That one really turned out nice. I get what you were saying about a piece of wood feeling "alive". Sometimes you find a stick of wood that really wants to be a bow, like that beauty you got there. I agree with what bubby said about how you kept it simple. That is such an awesome piece of wood, and you really did it proud.
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That thing is hot! Nice work Greg!
-Dan
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Thanks for the kind comments guys, much appreciated. The beauty in this one is all in the wood itself, its just a simple d-bow design and to be honest the stave cooperated very well through the whole build.
Once I had the profile shaped and started with the thickness taper I had no issues with twist or any other bad behavior from the bow, wish they all were that easy.
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Yep, you have a special bow with that wood. Glad it behaved well. Hope it shoots as good as it looks.
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Man Greg that thing turned out sweet. Love the simple ones. That wood is really pretty. Nice work man.
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An elegant example of a bow. Well done Sir.
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Just beautiful Greg! That one turned out really nice!!!
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Wow..... she finished up real nice.
Looks real good in your hands ... like it belongs.
DBar
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That one became a real eyecatcher, nice. Markus
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Sexy sexy sexy ! ;)
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That baby sure came out nice! Well done Greg! Josh
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Some stiff areas showing in the full draw due to location of some knots but seeing how it shoots so well
and is not taking additional set anywhere I'm not gonna mess with anything. <snip>
I'm sure your view from right up next to it is far better than mine from here, ...but the curve on that FD pic looks powerful close to perfect for my old eyes. I'm often tempted to keep tweaking what is likely already perfect, ...and then RUIN IT!
Lovely bow from a very special stave!
OneBow
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Lots of potential there. Looking forward to seeing the final product. No pressure.
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Greg, you have a style that really brings out the best in any piece of wood you touch. She's a work of art!!
Ed
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Just saw this one all finished up. Very nice work. Hope you bring it next spring so I can look at it up close. That piece of wood really wanted to be a bow. ;)