Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: jeffp51 on August 24, 2015, 11:37:02 pm
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. . .when can someone be considered a bowyer, instead of just someone who has made or likes to make bows?
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Maybe one and the same? :o
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No one talks you up better than yourself... Does it really matter the title if you're having fun and getting some sort of enjoyment out of it. All that matters to me if the bow is predictable and reliable.
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the title isn't important, I think--and you may have more fun as a maker of bows than as a "bowyer" my question is maybe one of skill level. What is true master-level bowyery?
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If you are in a bar picking up on chicks you call yourself a bowyer, if you are at a primitive gathering you just give your name.
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Hahaha. Chicks dig bowyers.
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Ah Grasshopper...
The answer lies within yourself,
Look deep into your soul and you will have your answer.
Del
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This question come up from time to time, I guess it is like Del said. I worked on cars and trucks form the time I can remember and started in a shop making a living at it by the time I was 18 but still took me years before I called myself a mechanic so I guess everyone is different, I just build wood bows, that's it for me. :) to me it is when you truly master all aspects of wood bows and I am not sure when or if that will ever happen to me so as I said I just build wood bows. ;) :)
Pappy
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Like Pappy I spent my life as a mechanic and running truck repair shops. On several occasions over the years I was asked to write a job description for the different levels of mechanics. This was usually because we had younger mechanics who felt they should be getting full journeyman wage.
It usually came down to being able to perform most any job we had the equipment to perform in a reasonable amount of time. And knowing how to use the books and follow instructions. Without assistance.
Truth is we all needed assistance from time to time. I believe we have plenty of bowyers on this sight and others who would meet that standard.
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I have only made three successful bows and lately I've been struggling with building bows so I do not call myself a bowyer.
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If it is something that consumes your every waking breath, you are a bowyer. If you still have a wife and kids that talk to you, you make bows!
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I like Badgers first reply...but at my age I guess I'll never be a bowyer again. ;D
What's in a name...a rose by any other name still smells as sweet! ;)
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I considered myself a bowyer when I made bows for archers that used my bows for competition and hunting with success and reliability,, I am sure there are other definitions that are appropriate,,I only make bows for fun now,,so maybe I am a retired bowyer :)
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I don't consider myself a bowyer, Im just a dude that likes to make bows from wood.
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If I had to define a bowyer I would think that person could pick up a piece of wood and make a safe and functioning bow that meets the draw length and weight that he intended it to be. Just about anybody can make a piece of wood bend and tie a string on it. It takes a bowyer to look at a stave and see the 50# @ 28" bow inside and then build that bow.
Last year I made a bow for a guy and he killed a deer with it. That gave me a big feeling of accomplishment as a bow builder. Even though I had killed deer with my bows it meant more for me when someone else did it.
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We had a guy on here several years ago that lived in Mexico, I can't rememeber his name now. Anyway he was a relative newbe like the rest of us and his work wasn't all that great. He decided to go proffessional. 6 months later his work was beautiful. I have no dubt that we have a lot of bowyers here who could be transplanted back a few centuries into a military bow making shop and be up to speed in no time at all.
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Philosophical reductive linguistic analysis has no ending point. The simple definition of the word 'bowyer' is someone that makes bows. There is lots of room for various degrees of skill within such a definition, ...but that is why we have adverbs, gerunds and adjectives! :)
OneBow
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As above.
I guess bowyering isn't a formally recognised trade as such in most places (although there is probably a guild in the UK?), so anyone who makes bows, and wants to call themselves a bowyer, can; there's various adjectives that may qualify a bowyer: amateur, professional, hobbyist, expert, master, hack; there's probably various other trades and professions which would enhance the credibility of a bowyer - cabinet or furniture making, engineering etc.
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Philosophical reductive linguistic analysis has no ending point. The simple definition of the word 'bowyer' is someone that makes bows. There is lots of room for various degrees of skill within such a definition, ...but that is why we have adverbs, gerunds and adjectives! :)
OneBow
Yeah, as a part time philosopher and full time linguist, I am the first to admit that words don't mean anything at all if you think abut them too much. you are what you think of yourself as--and for most that means a guy who makes bows out of wood. But I see some of the work on this site and I am amazed at the level of craftsmanship involved and I wonder how they would have fit in when people were named Fletcher, Bowyer, Archer, Bowman, etc. Maybe in the end it is like porn--I can 't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it.
My wife is happier that I spend my time looking at wooden curvy limbs than the other kind of curvy limbs.
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I think if you can take an inert board or stave and transform it into a gracefully bending, durable, hard hitting bow, you are a bowyer. Then again, I've had some horrendous days at the range and still have the nerve to call myself an archer. :)