Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: smoke on January 11, 2016, 08:40:25 am
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Saw the movie yesterday (didn't like it much - too many errors and silly stuff). That said, I enjoyed seeing a lot of arrows fly but thought the bows seemed out-of-tiller. Anyone else see the film and have thoughts as to the authenticity of the plains bows? thanks,
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Haven't seen the movie yet, but plan too one day soon. I own "Man in the Wilderness" starring Richard Harris which is an earlier version of the same story filmed by John Huston.
As to the bows it seem they were made by a N.A bowyer. Here is a link to his site. Just scroll down to "Movie Bows" and he tells about what he made.
http://www.plainsindianbows.com/
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That is a member here, goes by Indianguy
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Hey we're amongst celebreties now.....lol.Just joking.His bows are fantastic.I gotta see that movie.
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He made a post about it a while back.
http://www.primitivearcher.com/smf/index.php/topic,53338.msg722923.html#msg722923
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The coolest part about it... He is in Oklahoma! A guy from my home state has his bows in a movie. How COOL!!
I need to go watch it now. :D
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Thanks for posting the link.
Haven't seen the movie yet, but plan to eventually.
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I really enjoyed the movie, yeah I spotted the inaccuracies too, but the movie was so good I didn't care.
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I enjoyed the movie, regardless of the inaccuracies. I thought the bows looked great, and that grizzly scene was insane!
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Thanks guys, yes I made the bows for the movie and all the arrows.The bows were sent out fully tillered and fully functional. The took a lot off abuse during filming many getting severely soaked. I am very pleased with the bows and the arrows I made and hope you enjoy the film as much add I did. Just so you know of the 300 arrows I made for the film 90 were dogwood, all done in real sinew, hide glue, natural ochre and iron points made from old barrel hoops.
Eric
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On another quick note I did all the bows arrows and bowcase and quivers for the upcoming mini series Lewis and Clark coming out later this year on HBO. Take care my friends.
Eric
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Too cool Eric. Can't wait to see the film and series
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Thats cool, always nice to see authentic gear in a movie, and na's playing na's
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most movie bows look really fake.
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I liked the movie and bows and arrows,, great job,,,,
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Well now I definitely need to go see that movie. I can't wait to see a fellow primitive archer members work in a movie.
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From my experience, the first thing someone does on a film set when you hand them a bow is to see how far it bends before it breaks.
I wonder what the props company did with what was leftover from filming The Revenant?
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Jw,I asked the very same question to the prop master and was told although many props were sold they did not sell the bows or arrows used in the film.
Eric
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From my experience, the first thing someone does on a film set when you hand them a bow is to see how far it bends before it breaks.
I wonder what the props company did with what was leftover from filming The Revenant?
Jw haven't you done some movie work too?
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Well, watch every movie for your stuff to show up later down the line!
One of my bows has shown up in several western artist's paintings in the last few years. Same red wool wrap on one limb and a fake owl feather tied to the tip of one limb.
I know I will be watching the movie more for your contributions than the story, they kinda got that all fictionalized up and in the wrong setting. At least I can enjoy the sticks and strings!!
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I am dieing to see the movie myself! It cam out Friday here. Now that I know that a fellow pa Bowyer is the star of the movie I have to see it soon! Congrats indianGuy!
Patrick
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I saw it and I really enjoyed it. My wife did too! I noticed that Pawnee fellow's bow was all weather checked it looked like when they were on that buffalo kill. Overall I thought the movie and accountraments were very good. Nice work Indianguy!
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The Pawnee bow was sinew backed. :-)
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I suspected that, but the close up happened so fast I thought it was checked. You did a fantastic job! Well done sir!
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I noticed the Pawnee bow was sinew backed, but it seemed to bend very strange to me. You can see the tips are pretty stiff while the majority of the bend is occurring nearer the handle. I thought it looked like two huge hinges on each limb, but there must be some logic to the style.
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It was a fun film but about as realistic as James Bond.
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I haven't seen the movie yet, but am familiar with the Hugh Glass story. The parts of the story that seem fake (attacked by bear, left for dead with no gun, tools, etc, crawling for miles, finding a buffalo kill) are actually the real deal. The real life ending was pretty anticlimactic, and i'm guessing this is where hollywood took over, but the "survival" portion of the story is true.
And congrats to Eric, great to see real and accurate representations of bows and arrows in a film.
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Thanks again guys. For the every present movie bow critic. The bows were made in 105 degree Oklahoma heat. Shipped to a sub zero climate where they were abused and wet and handled by people that were not archers. So you can say what you will.
Take care my friends.
Eric
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Did you by chance take any pictures of the bows before you sent them off? It would be nice to get a better view of them than what we are likely to see in the movie.
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Did you by chance take any pictures of the bows before you sent them off? It would be nice to get a better view of them than what we are likely to see in the movie.
I'd like to see them also! Haven't watched the movie yet, but I doubt you can see them very well...
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Eric I've seen bows you have posted and have no doubt when they left the tiller was spot on
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I saw them before they went out. Spectacular pieces. Eric I know you dont need to hear it cuz, but you know what your work is and so do I. ;)
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Here are a few of the movie bows, just so you know all the bows and arrows were made on a six week deadline.
Eric
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I liked the bows,, when I saw the movie,, I thought well done on the bows,, and I am sure they were not treated well,, probably left strung etc etc,,, anyway,, I am sure if you could go back in time,,,that most native bows didn't look to have "perfect tiller ",,, hard use,, and bad weather can effect any wood bow,,, in a negative way,, but as long as it was functional,, I am sure they used it to the very last shot,,,on that note,, bows that don't look perfect can shoot perfect,, and we have put such a strong emphasis on the look of a bow,, that alot of times we forget,,,, the way the bow shoots is for most,,,and in the movie, the bows did their job and functioned as needed,, job done,,so how the tiller "looked" is really not an issue,,and is probably more representative of real bows of that time,, than our bows made in perfect controlled conditions,, I didn't see anything negative about the bows at all,,,,thats just me ,,after devoting a large part of my life to making and shooting ,, on a professional level,, B :)
I am going to see the movie again,, just to look closer at the bows :)
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Indianguy,
Excellent job with the equipment and loved the movie. Pretty darn cool that someone on here built the archery equipment for that movie. BTW, as a short bow/sinew bow builder myself, no doubt you did a great job.
Erik
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Thanks for posting the pictures Eric - very cool!
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+1
Big thanks for showing us the "cast and crew".
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When you're making a whole shipload of bows for a movie do you make them with a light draw weight to cut down on the whining?
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D.C.
The first two proto types were 45 and 50 pounds give or take a pound our two. After receiving them they asked for lighter poundage.So most of the bows were between 35&40# draw weight when all was said and done.
Eric
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That's likely where you see the smallest tiller flaw grow over the course of the filming. The wood gets wet and the bows likely start being drawn a bit farther and likely not from the optimum point on the string. What are you gonna do?
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Awesome work Eric. You had to really hump to get all of that done in such short order. I plan to go see this film. It must be pretty well done. If they made the effort to enlist a real bowyer like yourself, I bet they showed attention to detail throughout the production. I am excited about seeing this movie. Some of the internet critics are already sounding off about the liberties that were taken in deviating from the true story of Hugh Glass - but really, how entertaining would a historical recounting of a two hundred mile crawl really have been? At this point, I am stoked that Hollyweird left the concrete jungle, urban themes, that have been done to death, to make any sort of a movie that might appeal to my peers just a little bit! Beautiful bows and arrows IndianGuy!
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Nice work Eric! I've been excited about this movie since last summer. Good to see someone making a real living off this.
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I saw the revenant the other day and thought it was an awesome movie (but not as good as Jeremiah Johnson!)
My first thought on seeing it was 'oh great- they got the bows right! Not that I'm very knowledgeable on these things but great work Indianguy! :-)
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Great work Indianguy. I can't wait to see the film
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Thanks for posting the pictures Eric, great looking bows and arrows.
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Very nice. I especially like the arrows. You made more bows all at once than I have in two years of trying.
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Hey Eric,
You sure been the buzz on a few sites lately.LOL
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Brother traxx
I don't know if that's good or bad.. lol
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With the exception of a couple posts on this thread,its been pretty positive and good. :)