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Title: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on January 29, 2016, 09:05:23 pm
Northern Plains bow in the works. After harvesting 2.5" diameter chokecherry sapling the stave is roughed out using antler wedges and a flint hand-axe.
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Post by: Airborne890 on January 29, 2016, 09:06:14 pm
The 44" long stave is then coated in a generous layer of bear fat and lashed to form. Here it will season for approximately one month before it's ready to be backed with sinew.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: ajooter on January 29, 2016, 09:21:08 pm
Lookin great man!! Can't wait to see how it turns out!
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: MXer on January 29, 2016, 09:25:39 pm
wait a minute...is that a steel hatchet in your hands?      ;)   Kiddin man!  Can't wait to see what you can do with the primitive tools..  It's awesome!
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Stixnstones on January 29, 2016, 09:30:20 pm
Oh boy, cant wait to see how this goes😄. I wish i had the umph u real primitive guys have. Your awesome! Do it!
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: PlanB on January 29, 2016, 09:36:29 pm
Great pix and project! Looking forward to this one...
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Post by: Mo_coon-catcher on January 29, 2016, 10:09:32 pm
Gonna be awesome to see how this one comes out.

Kyle
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Post by: sleek on January 29, 2016, 10:15:12 pm
Dude i dont know where you live, but if its close, we gadda hang out.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: sleek on January 29, 2016, 10:21:27 pm
If you find yourself in north eastern oklahoma tulsa area gimme a holler.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: TimPotter on January 30, 2016, 07:26:52 am
Looking good so far. Can't wait to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: ---GUTSHOT---> on January 30, 2016, 08:46:38 am
That's cool can't wait for more pics
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Redhand on January 30, 2016, 11:15:33 am
Nice.  What part of Colorado?
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Post by: arachnid on January 30, 2016, 12:01:45 pm
890 is the battalion number in the IDF partroopers, so can I guess you`r Israeli?
If so, it`s good to have another one here on PA....
ברוך הבא אחי!
איפה אתה נמצא בישראל?
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: bradsmith2010 on January 30, 2016, 02:10:53 pm
nice looking start,,sinew gonna be nice on that one
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on January 31, 2016, 11:00:09 am
Second stave roughed out, greased up and lashed to form. This stave, at 42", is slightly shorter than the former of 44" but both remain within the typical range of length for Northern-Plains bows. Note: The lashing is done by first binding the center of the bow (handle-to-be). I then insert a hard object (an antler tine, in this case) into the 2 center lashings and begin twisting to apply pressure in a tourniquet-like fashion. This creates an immense amount of pressure, and at this point I sit on the stave at the center of the form (securing the antler and all the stored tension with it) and lift the tip of one limb up gradually while wedging a hard object (section of wood, stone, antler, whatever) under the limb. This is done on both sides and then the tips are finally lashed down. For all of this to work it is important that A. Your stave is still moist B. It must be brought to a relative floor-tiller before lashing to form, otherwise it will explode when applying the tourniquet technique.

I now use this time to clean, dry, and process some sinew for strings, bindings, and bow backings.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on January 31, 2016, 11:06:05 am
2nd stave in form
Ethnographic images of this method being employed by a Lakota man (I believe circa 1870's). A Lakota bowyer told me that this method was used in the Winter, while the stave was held in place in the ground using stakes during the warm, summer months.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Redhand on January 31, 2016, 12:24:51 pm
I like those old pics.
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Post by: simson on January 31, 2016, 04:15:57 pm
I'm watching with interest, Air!
Thanks for the pics with the natives.
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Post by: burchett.donald on January 31, 2016, 05:53:32 pm
 I was looking at the second photo and noticed all the shavings in the field where he stood and reduced the stave just before he staked it down...Very cool 8) I'll keep checking in on this...
                                                                                                                                  Don
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: TimPotter on January 31, 2016, 06:13:33 pm
Thank you for posting the Native pics. I've used the method in the 1st pic a lot like the way you are doing yours. But that 2nd pic is fantastic in it's simplicity. Love it.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: willie on February 02, 2016, 01:56:46 am
following along with interest. Using traditional methods must certainly give a different perspective to the craft. You must have uncovered a few new sources in your research, and I appreciate the time you have taken to post your found photos. BTW some things in the photos look a little newer than 1870, at least to my eye.
 If you should discover any info about shooting styles and practices with these type bows, I am sure that many would like to see what you find
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on February 02, 2016, 10:34:35 am
Thanks Willie. It is almost like stepping into a time machine. It also just gives one this profound sense of appreciation for generations-past. When most people hear the word "primitive" they automatically think "inferior, barbaric, passe, etc" when in reality it's mind-boggling what "primitive" cultures did with the limited resources available.

I am learning so many new things about the craft, and can not wait to share more.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Parnell on February 03, 2016, 09:06:32 am
Great post!  Looks like a great project and I really like that second photo.  Looking forward to seeing it all together.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: lebhuntfish on February 03, 2016, 11:17:46 pm
Very cool, I will definitely be watching this on closely.
Patrick
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on February 10, 2016, 01:17:40 pm
The stave dried quicker than expected with the help of the arid climate of the High-Plains. After removing the stave from the form I washed it using a mixture of wood ashes and hot water to degrease it. I let it dry in the sun for a few hours and then rasped the back using a piece of sandstone in order to remove any trace amounts of grease still left on the surface wood. Post-degreasing and roughing I cut in a double nock for the bottom limb and a single nock with a pin (to accommodate a horse-hair tuft) for the top limb. I then used a mixture of hide and sinew glue to sinew-back it. The fibers were elk back sinew acquired in a trade from Redhand (thanks, bud!) and were an absolute pleasure to shred and use. I folded the sinew over at the tip ends and wrapped the tips.

Although I have not received ethnographic evidence of northern-plains bowyers reverse-bracing their bows while sinew seasons (evidence abound for such practices on the west-coast), I see much value in this practice and will employ it here. Finally, the bow is hung up under the roof of my patio so it can take advantage of the cool, dry air. Here it will season for at least another week-and-a-half before further tillering.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on February 10, 2016, 01:22:11 pm
more pics
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Post by: wizardgoat on February 10, 2016, 01:46:19 pm
Looking good! I wish my wood seasoned that fast here, from stump to sinew back and shooting in less than 2 months?
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Airborne890 on February 10, 2016, 02:13:58 pm
It remains to be seen, but I was amazed at how quickly the stave dried. What's more, the form prevented it from twisting, even a centimeter, and the grease seemed to help prevent checking by retarding moisture loss.
Title: Re: Northern Plains Gullwing build-along using stone/antler tools
Post by: Blackcoyote on February 10, 2016, 04:31:48 pm
great thread, I'm enjoying this one!