Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: PEARL DRUMS on March 16, 2016, 07:11:45 pm
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Take a good look at these pics and tell me if my tiller looks wonky. Its my first attempt at an ELB. 72" ntn.
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Drawn to 28".
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Lower limb seems a little stiff in the middle...but I see she's a curvy girl so I'm sure that has something to do with it.
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Exactly what I think. But that limb has that reflexed kink in it. I usually have a good tiller eye, but this type of bow is nothing Ive messed with. The shape has held wonderfully, so who knows?
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She'll perform better and be smoother on release if you get those outer limbs working more. Especially at 72" an elliptical tiller is gonna produce better results. Josh
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She'll perform better and be smoother on release if you get those outer limbs working more. Especially at 72" an elliptical tiller is gonna produce better results. Josh
This is what I think, as well.
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Can I ask the kind of wood, width and draw weight?
The shape has held wonderfully, so who knows?
Are you going for more than the 28" its at now, or do you have weight to loose?
willie
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Its elm and about 1 3/16" wide, max. I'm going for a solid 29" draw. I really don't have weight to give, maybe a few pounds at most. I could temper it, but would rather not.
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She'll perform better and be smoother on release if you get those outer limbs working more. Especially at 72" an elliptical tiller is gonna produce better results. Josh
How much draw weight do the outers carry? Just a guess.
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I think the outer limbs should come around some.
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I think the outer limbs should come around some.
+1 for what it's worth from a guy that has never built an ELB.............
DBar
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I agree that a little more roundness would suit my eye better.
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That a nice looking stick Pearl....where in the world did you get that stick? Is that HHB?
DBar
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You guys all see what I see then, but it still made me question it. Im going to get them moving and see where Im at weight wise. I may have to temper it.......don't want to!!!!
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Lucky for you...you won't lose much getting the outer limbs working thanks to leverage. If you were trying to relieve a whip tiller (outers bending too much for the uninitiated) you would lose a lot of weight. I'm guessing you'll lose 5 pounds or less. Josh
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Is that HHB??
DBar
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That a nice looking stick Pearl....where in the world did you get that stick?
DBar
Not in Elm Hall bug guy, believe it or not. The guy that owned the small wood lot next to us clear cut it. I asked to go through the piles before he burned them. I grabbed two 3" poles. This is one. He also burned hundreds of HHB staves and billets. Had I known what was going on, he would have let me cut what I wanted.
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Lucky for you...you won't lose much getting the outer limbs working thanks to leverage. If you were trying to relieve a whip tiller (outers bending too much for the uninitiated) you would lose a lot of weight. I'm guessing you'll lose 5 pounds or less. Josh
Maybe Ill start by narrowing them. They could use just a bit.
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I know dels trick is to hold up a cd to get the right bend
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I haven't made an ELB, so my eye isn't tuned to it either. I would have said that the tiller was good as is :) Once the tips come around like was suggested, it would fit Dell's cd. I know you said you don't want to heat it, but most elm sure loves it.... I had one a couple of years ago that gained all kinds of draw weight with just a good toasting/no reflex added. Just sayin.
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Wot they've all said... I'm a bit late getting here.
Del
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Howard I was hoping to leave the wood its natural color, its gorgeous. But if tempering is required to hit weight after I tweak it, then so be it. Performance before appearance :)
Better late than never, Del! Thanks for the input.
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For what its worth: I sometimes temper halfway tillering very gently and slowly (heat gun at low heat) till just a tint of caramel starts to develop, and continue tillering by sanding and scraping. you hardly see it's been heat-treated that way.
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how is the front view shape? how long is the width parallel (if it is at all) from the "fades" on?
did I miss the draw weight? that would be intersting info too.
for my eyes too, the outer third of the limbs could bend a tad more
ciao,
gian-luca
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i think it looks good,, you have some wavy parts in the bow,, which you followed nicely,,,it won't look like a perfect bend,,, but the unbraced profile shows the bow bow is working evenly,,
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Did you say what that weight goal was? Hope you don't have to heat it. the bow is rather long so strain should be low.
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The bow has a gradual width taper starting about 12" off the handle. I wanted 45-50#. I narrowed the last 24" on each limb, it looks better and feels better. Like Brad said, there are some pretty good waves and reflexed areas in the one limb. Im amazed how hard it shoots an arrow when I yank it back to 29.5", feels like 45-47# to me.
willie, it isnt strained much. Im sure that helps it keep such a nice shape.
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(http://i492.photobucket.com/albums/rr283/mikekeswick/P1000950.jpg) (http://s492.photobucket.com/user/mikekeswick/media/P1000950.jpg.html)
This bow holds a 2 inch reflex after hundreds of shots.
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That'll be a very nice shooting bow there Chris.Was that red elm you got around you there?Sapwood and heartwood?
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Looks to be all sapwood I see.
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Ed there are just a few streaks of heartwood left. Its 98% sapwood. Yup, typical red elm that grows all over like weeds.