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Main Discussion Area => Flintknapping => Topic started by: hawkbow on February 27, 2008, 04:19:28 pm
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I found a couple of old pieces of glass while hiking the other day and been knappin a little.. I am not any good at it but thanks to Wolf Watcher I am getting a little better ....anyway thought I would post these pics of the points I knapped last night...the glass was about half an inch thick and hard as flint when I started.. I think the purple one was an old bottle bottom..... Mike A/ho
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Look pretty dang good to me Mike.
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Thanks Bro... I have a long way to go, but really enjoy Knapping... the perfact stress reliever... ;D ;D ;D MikeA/ho
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Very Nice!
I've tried knapping clear glass but my eyes get :o after a while.
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Looks real nice ! I need to start doing some of that.
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Nice work and good cross section.
wvflintknapper
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Thanks guys ... I know what you are saying about the clear glass buggin out your eyes :o when i get sick of it ,I do a few obsidian points then go back to the clear stuff... kind of addicting... I am working a nice piece of heat treated rock Wolf Watcher gave me last year.. should make some good points.... i will post those pics when I get something finished... I would love to see some pics of some of you guys points, knives etc... Mike a/ho
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Good looking points.
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I tried some clear glass once for some odd reason it turned red after awhile ::)
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Good looking points .Glass is really good for hunting points and practicing pressure flaking. Your chipping looks real good.
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Those are excellent points. i locve those
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Mike: What do you mean you aint real good at it? Those look fine to me, especially if you thinned it down from a half inch and wound up with a cross section like that. I've done some glass and obs but keep going back to my chert - just like all the diff colors and toughness for arrowheads.
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Hawkbow i am in no way a expert on knapping, just now getting some tools to get started, but dang, those are nice.
Bishop
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paul pretty much summed up everything i was gonna say
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i agree they are excellent points. nice and thin! great job on them
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Very, very nice. How wide a piece do you have to start with to get them that thin. My problems on glass and porcelain (anything that's flat with no high spots to follow) is I tend to create some wicked hinge fractures that it takes forever to work out. You seem to have it down though.
Otoe
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Very nice points Mike. I would hunt with any of them. Pat
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I take a whole side at a time, then abrade... forever ...and take the other side.. abrade abrade abrade and start over ... I use my ishi stick and really concentrate on each flake before working it i got lucky and had good runs right to the center from both sides... with lots of time spent on the edges .. but they are gettin better... if i just take my time and be certain to abrade......I have been knapping for twenty years ... but never made a truly nice looking point until I met Wolf Watcher.. he was kind enough to teach me what i have been doing wrong all those years.... and really helped make knapping enjoyable again for me ... anyhow thanks for all the kind words guys..... we all hope that our work is OK .. nice to hear good things from so many talented rock breakers.. Mike A/ho
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That's better than I can do
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Very nice points!!
I just started trying to knapp in the past 2 weeks and I didn't think you had just started.... or at least I had hoped you hadn't just started!!!! ;)
Guess I have get some years of experience to start getting ones close to yours. 8)
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I haven't found anything that Hawk is not good at. Working 1/2" material down to the size he did is a hard thing to do. I like the flat side of old milk of magnesia bottles as it only takes a couple of passes to have a shootable point. Trying to make points out of glass bottoms is difficult as one side is almost always concave and requires some preparation. We must be crazy as everything we find looks like a potential point. Watcher
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Watcher, you should post some pics of your points for these guys to drool over... ... Hawk..A/ho
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Here's a few I've made. Just wanted to learn to make an authentic looking point in the beginning (that was my goal), really had no reason other than to hold it and look at it :D. Then one thing led to another - lotta fun!
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HOLY COW.. don't you work, looks like you spend all your time Knappin, lol... great work bro.. i know who to call when i run low on arrows.. those would fit nicely into my quiver... .. you truly have a gift with rock breakin.... thanks for sharing brother ... Mike A?ho
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Cowboy: beautiful craftmanship. What is the material in the other knife besides the obsidian blade? You can come for a visit anytime!! Watcher
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Thanks guys - yes unfortunantly seems like I'm always at work. Sometimes I can sneak away and do fun stuff though. My wife would tell you I'm possesed, I might tell you I have a passion :). That lower knife is made of novaculite I bought in MO, all that other is the Pedernales stuff I pick up around San Antonio..
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Real nice stuff guys. I just started knapping late last year. I Have been inspired by your creations.
Thanks
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Dang! Cowboy your getting better and better all the time. I seem to just be making lots of flakes!
Obsidian on its way by monday! Found some super hard mixture of lace like with streeks of gold sheen in it. Should make some nice points! I will add some of that to the booty. By the way how long do you want the spalls?
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Thanks David! That sounds like a pretty wild mix of stuff your sending, if it's spalls they can be anywhere from two inches and longer. Hey, you don't know how much I appreciate it :).
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WOw thats all i can say wow
you are some talented people i hope i can do that someday
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You will David, you will ;D. So have you snuck out behind the shed with your knappin stuff yet? >:D.
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No i havent done much knapping because i dont have much material since i cant knap glass anymore,but i am aloud to knap just not glass and my neighbord landscaping is full of small cobbles and i have been makin simple flake tools. None of it is good enough for arrow heads or knife blades so i posted in the trading section for materials.
one good thing about making flake tools is i am learning to bang another rock against another (isnt that called percussion?) and i am getting good results so i am learning some skills and principles of cone and platform and finally started to use an abraider. i am spalling flakes alot better and they are predicatable flakes not just banging ;D
o ya if i cut myself i have to pay the medical bills im serious
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Thanks David! That sounds like a pretty wild mix of stuff your sending, if it's spalls they can be anywhere from two inches and longer. Hey, you don't know how much I appreciate it :).
No problem! You've been waiting patiently for a long time.
Still have not had a chance to do anything with the stone you sent me. Tried breaking it into flakes to heat treat and I ended up breaking my biggest bopper on it. Then went to steal hammer and it shattered the hammer! Went to sledge hammer next and finaly got it to crack!!! You sure you didnt send me diamonds in disguise???? ;D Just joking but dang it that is the hardest stuff I have ever seen.
Think you can do a heat treating demo on this rock a the Classic comming up? That would be cool to see it done and see how the rock comes out after.
David T
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cowboy! - these arrows look really GREAT!!!
frank
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Those are some really nice glass points. Frank
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made a new one..nothing like cowboy or wolf watchers stuff bit I didn't break it ;D ;D ;D ;)
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That's a gooddun Mike! Dadgum, you got her thin - looks like it aught to hang on when you stick it in something :). Is that a touch of red I see on your thumb there? ;D..
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nice i dont know how to knap the cross sections..the roughness on the face and back of the point
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Mike, you got some awesome skills there! 8) I'm stoked that you and others are sharing your talents. It gives people like me inspiration and motivation to keep pluggin away honing my scruffy skills. Thanks again Mike. BTW, are you gonna haft any of your points and send em flyin? If you do let us know what you get on the other end! :D Joe H
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staver, we can't hunt with stone points in Wyoming for big game , but can hunt small game and turkeys with sticks and stones.... so i will have a few in my quiver this spring ... thanks for your nice comments brother .. look forward to posts of your work... Hawk a/ho
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If I understand it correctly, you knap a row around the form then flatten the edge so it will withstand taking another row off. With clear glass can you use a black permanent marker to darken the edge to show where you have and have not knapped? When you are done you should be able to take off the permanent marker with an alcohol wipe. What do you think?
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Sounds a bit tedious to me! Just break lots of rock. Thats the only way to learn.
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As a Friend from New York would say, " Aww Youse Guys! " Man you guys are killing me. I still can't seem to get the hang of getting the middle humps out, or consistant long flakes. Made some arrow heads the other night, started out with a nice sized piece, and thought I would have a decent sized arrow head, but ended up with a smaller one. My knuckle flap has finally closed, but still red and puffy. Of course if I would leave the rock alone for awhile longer, it might actually heal, with out my bumping, and scraping it. This is a hazardous addiction, or I mean Hobby......Man Hawkbow, and Cowboy, those are nice. I wish I lived where I could just go out and pick up a truck load of knappin rock. It's here in Fla. but you have to know where, and sometimes you have to be uh......sneaky......or uh.....stealthy. Luckily, Eddie gave me a bucket of spalls of different material, and sizes. The small stuff, I use as practice pieces. The bigger stuff, I "try" to make something out of it. Occaisionally, I will get something that starts to look pretty good, and it either breaks, or I can't get the lump out of the center, etc. You guys are good. I will just keep smacking, and pushing, and prying, till I can get there. So long as my blood supply can keep up. ;D
Wayne
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I have o- blood, holler if you need a few cc's. :)
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Ahh, another universal donor. _ or + ? I'm _.
Wayne 8)
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Humps! Start at the ends and work towards the middle. Cut fingers, antibiotics and a sharp needle and thread! ;D
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_ here
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Wayne, Remember what Claude was showing me? Oblique, set up a good platform and drive it into the Hump at an angle, not straight at it. If you hit straight at the hump, you will hinge because the angle is too deep and will dead end , or you will just take material off the sides and make the "turtleback" steeper. Set up a good platform.And grind, grind, when in doubt, grind. :)
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your talking about the 135 degree cone arn't you? Do you tilt the piece or the tool? I read in another thread to tilt the piece so it does the work for you. I have not done either one, I am still at the concept stage.
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I need to get back and sit with claude for awhile. I tried to absorb as much as I could. I have had some luck with the small practice pieces, but I still can't seem to be consistent with it. Anywho, I will keep at it. Thanks, Eddie, and others.
Wayne
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Drive the flake across the hump at an angle.
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Yeah those are nice, my uncle used to make them from old whiskey bottle bottoms and a screw driver like that. I never could understand how he did it, but I was a 8-9 and more interested in climbing the mountains back then. Would like to go back now and watch him do it again.