Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Justin.schmidt23 on August 05, 2016, 03:18:01 am
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Well I've attempted to build 3 bows, 2 read oak board bowso and a sugarberry stave. So far Ivery completed one. But everytime I've learned something, this time....DON'T RUSH AND USE A SAWZALL! horrible idea. Especially when i cut on the line instead of leaving some meat.After trying to fix my Sawzall mistakes with a rasp I ended up with ugly fades that weren't symmetrical and a 7/8 wide handle :-[ but it's okay cause Saturday I'm getting my first draw knife and will go back to anti electric tools.
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Draw knife is love, draw knife is life. (sorry for such jejune post but it's true)
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Good luck Justin, you learned one of the most important things it's not a race. You really do have to read the wood and tiller is so important. I'm still guilty of rushing drying my staves but it's all I have to work with since I've just started this adventure. I do have a nice supply of sraves properly cureing now so in the future hope to fix that problem. Another thing I can see in you is not quitting aditude, using life's lessons to learn from. I know you can do it routin for ya.
Bjrogg
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Good luck Justin, you learned one of the most important things it's not a race. You really do have to read the wood and tiller is so important. I'm still guilty of rushing drying my staves but it's all I have to work with since I've just started this adventure. I do have a nice supply of sraves properly cureing now so in the future hope to fix that problem. Another thing I can see in you is not quitting aditude, using life's lessons to learn from. I know you can do it routin for ya.
Bjrogg
Thanks man. I absolutely love this craft and quitting just ain't in me :) from now on I'd much rather sweat and go slow and do it right than rush with power tools. But I'm just glad I have a stash of staves and woods behind my house
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Patience is a bowyers best tool. After that a rasp and a scraper. If you can stick with these tools it's hard to get in a rush. From floor tiller on I use primarily a scraper with a little rasp work where needed. A half round rasp works great for your fades. Sawzall blades probably make good scrapers but other than that leave the sawzall to the plumbers and demo experts.
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Patience is a bowyers best tool. After that a rasp and a scraper. If you can stick with these tools it's hard to get in a rush. From floor tiller on I use primarily a scraper with a little rasp work where needed. A half round rasp works great for your fades. Sawzall blades probably make good scrapers but other than that leave the sawzall to the plumbers and demo experts.
Yeah I'm learning that the hard way ;)
What sucks is no stores around me have a half round rasp. I've checked HD, TSC, Ace, rural king. They ain't got nothing.
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Ask at ACE. I bet they'll order one for you.
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I don't have scraper nor rasps and use drawknife for everything. I have full control with it (lots of practice) and can do scraping while tillering by tilting blade perpendicular to wood, I can chase growth rings, I can follow basic dimensions to the line, etc.
I am happy with that, even though few rasps, spokeshave's and rat tail file for nocks would be good. But these things are all really expensive here and being a student I don't have money to invest in both the tools and auxiliary stuff needed in bow making.
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do you have any tack shops around you, as in places that sell saddles or stuff for horses? It's a good bet that if you do, they will have farriers rasps there - and they will likely be a lot cheaper than what you could order off line. I have a tack shop down the road from me and they sell rasps for about 9 bucks a pop. And let me tell you, they are AWESOME for making bows. Hogs wood off nice and steady and fast, but they have a file side to for more control. When I got a good farriers rasp I threw away all the crappy 4 ways and chisel/rasps I had bought from the big box stores - a good rasp plus a draw knife will make your work so much more enjoyable you won't believe it.
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do you have any tack shops around you, as in places that sell saddles or stuff for horses? It's a good bet that if you do, they will have farriers rasps there - and they will likely be a lot cheaper than what you could order off line. I have a tack shop down the road from me and they sell rasps for about 9 bucks a pop. And let me tell you, they are AWESOME for making bows. Hogs wood off nice and steady and fast, but they have a file side to for more control. When I got a good farriers rasp I threw away all the crappy 4 ways and chisel/rasps I had bought from the big box stores - a good rasp plus a draw knife will make your work so much more enjoyable you won't believe it.
Yeah we have a store like that but no half rounds there.
I have a farriers rasp that was given to me and I lovery it. Itshirt been basically my only tool for wood removal since I started.
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Power tools are best left after some experience is gained in bow making. Jawge
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patb gave me this advice way back in the day, never work on a bow in a bad mood, angry or upset because you will transfer all that to the bow, 😉
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That's a fact. I'm naturally a very impatient person but I like to do things the right way also. On bow making you can't have both. So it's time to learn some patients!
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I use mostly my draw knife but sometimes knots will tear on you and you need file or rasp. When I'm close to finishing I wrap file with 60 grit Emory cloth much more durable than sandpaper.
Bjrogg
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Yep, I'm a draw-knife guy as well. I use a rasp around the handle, but that's about it. I have watched the rasp guys working and they can make it sing for them.
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I mostly only use the draw knife for mass removal, and chasing rings. I use my Bellotta rasp for Super heavy removal. Scraper for chasing rings and tiller.
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Yep, I'm a draw-knife guy as well. I use a rasp around the handle, but that's about it. I have watched the rasp guys working and they can make it sing for them.
Rasps can hog off alot of material QUICK. But if your not careful iv3 had split wood pretty bad on me using the rough side. I can't wait till tomorrow when eddie trades me one of his draw knives
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I just lightly run the coarse side of a farriers rasp down the belly to leave an even pattern of marks. Then I scrape the marks off with a scraper. This was mentioned in TBB somewhere.
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I just lightly run the coarse side of a farriers rasp down the belly to leave an even pattern of marks. Then I scrape the marks off with a scraper. This was mentioned in TBB somewhere.
I just went out and bought a paint scraper and it does more harm than good.
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I made this scraper from scraps off the shop floor basically. Total cost, nadda. It works really well and is easy on my old hands. I think it's similar to the one Dean Torges made.
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Im a knife guy. Most yall know this but i take pride in being what seems like the only one. A good 7 inch heavy blade will do absolutely everything you need it to do in bow making. Stock tomocal to scraping, carving nocks and handle, you can even carve out an arrow pass if you so desire.
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I made this scraper from scraps off the shop floor basically. Total cost, nadda. It works really well and is easy on my old hands. I think it's similar to the one Dean Torges made.
That's pretty snazzy. I'm making a handle for my rasp out of China berry now. I might have to try something like this.
Sleek knife making is my other hobby too. I'm very new and doing stock removal method but that metal sure is expensive!
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Buddy of mine makes these for me. I have ones of all different sizes, but this one is the one I reach for most. Keeps a good burr as well.
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Make yourself one of these. You wont ever need another tool. Its my own design though I am certain similar to many others. I call it the K_Hawk. Its a cross between a K-Bar and a Kukuri, and my name is Kevin Hawkins. K-Hawk is fitting I do believe.
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I think it's really cool all the various ways people go about this task. I will almost never say "this is the way you should be doing it", as many times it was me that learned something new and changed tactics, by watching others. Neat tool sleek.