Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Around the Campfire => Topic started by: JW_Halverson on August 07, 2016, 04:30:31 pm
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I drew absolutely NO TAGS this year. I was trying to keep the whine out of my voice talking with one of the local Conservation Officers and he told me that he'd personally hook me up with some landowners if I put in for second draw double doe white tail tags in an area where the population has exploded.
What's the downside? I have to learn to hunt in prairie conditions and all my experience is in the Black Hills. At least I have good optics and my legs are still working. Maybe I won't starve this winter like I was thinking I might!
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Believe me, they are not that helpful here....Seems you are guilty of something upon contact here, not people I like to deal with.....Aholes!
Be thankful for sure!
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Well...
I got skunked on the first and second draw this year.Small game,here i come.
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You have to DRAW tags? Here in oklahoma you just buy em and go to your lease, buddies house who has land, or take your chances on public land, and hunt. I dont understand this drawing yall talk about.
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You have to DRAW tags? Here in oklahoma you just buy em and go to your lease, buddies house who has land, or take your chances on public land, and hunt. I dont understand this drawing yall talk about.
Years back they had unlimited over the counter tags in the Black Hills. Button bucks and single spikes were the best you could hope for. They had less than 35% success rate for hunters. When they instituted limited tags, the people gathered their pitchforks and torches to storm the castle. Fortunately the castle walls held. While we are not competing with Iowa corn fed bucks or those monster Saskatchewan and Alberta superbucks, we are regularly shooting 150 class whitetails in the hills and success rates are over 80%, hunter satisfaction is rated as very high.
I will argue that not drawing a Hills tag is just fine with me this year. Further, I will argue that if management of the herd requires taking a doe or two off a prairie unit, then I can be happy eating that meat this coming year.
From button bucks and spikes to this! Proof in the management, that's what!
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/JW_Halverson/Hunting%20albums/2015HillsDeer/crop2_zpssrfptof5.jpg) (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/JW_Halverson/media/Hunting%20albums/2015HillsDeer/crop2_zpssrfptof5.jpg.html)
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Hey thats not bad!
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Hope it works out for you! That's a good looking buck. Who knows maybe you'll become a prairie deer addict
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You have to DRAW tags? Here in oklahoma you just buy em and go to your lease, buddies house who has land, or take your chances on public land, and hunt. I dont understand this drawing yall talk about.
Years back they had unlimited over the counter tags in the Black Hills. Button bucks and single spikes were the best you could hope for. They had less than 35% success rate for hunters. When they instituted limited tags, the people gathered their pitchforks and torches to storm the castle. Fortunately the castle walls held. While we are not competing with Iowa corn fed bucks or those monster Saskatchewan and Alberta superbucks, we are regularly shooting 150 class whitetails in the hills and success rates are over 80%, hunter satisfaction is rated as very high.
I will argue that not drawing a Hills tag is just fine with me this year. Further, I will argue that if management of the herd requires taking a doe or two off a prairie unit, then I can be happy eating that meat this coming year.
From button bucks and spikes to this! Proof in the management, that's what!
(http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo100/JW_Halverson/Hunting%20albums/2015HillsDeer/crop2_zpssrfptof5.jpg) (http://s365.photobucket.com/user/JW_Halverson/media/Hunting%20albums/2015HillsDeer/crop2_zpssrfptof5.jpg.html)
I agree with you JW on the draw.. BTW no superbucks in Alberta.. It's a myth.. None of you fellas come here.. Never seen one once... Does not exist.. Button bucks all of them.. I tell ya...
Hunting the praireis.. Stay low.. Don't go trying to make up a bunch of yardage on a critter.. Plan your routes befor it happens.. Have a plan.. My favorite place is a chokecherry bush near a dry creek bed.. Find a hole in there trim some shooting lanes.. Remain calm..
Grew up in the prairies.. In a place you can watch your dog runaway from home for 3 days.. Heck I shot a 4x4 mulie buck at 30 yards with my lyman 50cal caplock (to windy for the flinter).... Think of the campfire story this'll mak.. Back in '16er I was....
Thanks Leroy
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We have a "Lottery" here as well. You can chose one hunt. Archery, Rifle or Black powder. There are 225 available units for buck deer, 13 for antlerless deer, 189 for bull elk, 193 for antlerless elk. Some of those are archery only, and some are other weapons. You almost need a degree to figure out what area you need to apply for. The only way around it is to get a dedicated hunter tag. Then you can hunt every hunt, BUT, only harvest one deer per year, and no more than 3 deer per 5 years, as well as perform about 40 hours of community service associated with wildlife or the outdoors per year. It's a horn hunters tag, not a meat hunters tag.
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Dont believe I will be moving there Jojo!
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Wow, 40 hours of community service associated with the wildlife or outdoors? I am all in favor of that and will mention it to several of the South Dakota Game fish and Parks Commissioners that I am on a handshake basis with. What a great idea! After all, if under the North American Wildlife Conservation Model we are ALL owners of the resource, we all need to do a good share to take care of things.
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The only large game tag,you can buy over the counter in NV is mountain lion.We have Deer,Elk,pronghorn,mountain Sheep,Mountain Goat,Bear, mountain lion and a host of other fur and feathered small game.The majority of the State is under Federal Jurisdiction,so hunting opportunities abound,for now.We still have country in this state,that one can spend a week in and never see another human.
Dont believe I will be moving there....
I wish more people had that same attitude.LOL
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I got drawn for a lottery on 19,000 acres on an army munitions plant.. Where I have to shoot two doe just to get a buck tag, this means I could legally take take three bucks and umpteen does this season. In my defense I literally moved here from 330 miles away because I grew up watching huge iowa deer and had been waitin for the opportunity
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Game warden in my area is a nice guy.Lives 15 miles from me.We know each other well.A resident person in Iowa can buy multiple deer tags[buck & doe] if he or she wants.No restrictions on numbers of points etc.A spike can have a doe tag put on it though.An antlered doe can have a doe tag put on it.There are so many different catagories...youth[16 and under]/disabled[cross bow use]/retirement age[lifetime hunting license] /land owner/& regular.I think a regular resident person can buy 5 deer tags maybe if they want for under $125.00.Non resident not so.You really gotta read the rules good before starting.All I know is october 1st. archery season starts for me.There is a shut down during the 2 week long shotgun seasons in december.Usually if things work out for me I have my deer before that.Then it's open again through a week into january when everything shuts down.Trapping and hunting both.
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Guess I am gonna find out what this .30-30 Marlin lever action loaded with the LEVEREvolution copper bullets can do to put food on the table. I am gonna go buy two boxes more and do some more target work soon. No sense counting on a 30 yard chip shot since I am gonna be on the prairie!
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I think a regular resident person can buy 5 deer tags maybe if they want for under $125.00.Non resident not so.
A combination license (Fishing and small game) is $38. a buck deer tag is $40. Bull elk is $50
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Kansas "any white tailed deer, any season" tags are over the counter for residents. That's a buck/doe tag, but to hunt the mule deer out west you have to draw a special tag. Depending on the zone you can purchase other antlerless, white tail, tags after buying the higher priced "any" deer tag. I'm allowed one other tag here where I hunt.
DWPT raised prices on everything this year, resident and non-resident, here it's not so much about wildlife management as it is about revenue ... ::)
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Guess I am gonna find out what this .30-30 Marlin lever action loaded with the LEVEREvolution copper bullets can do to put food on the table. I am gonna go buy two boxes more and do some more target work soon. No sense counting on a 30 yard chip shot since I am gonna be on the prairie!
That'll work.. Shot mosta my deer around the 100yd range.. 243 is a good choice also ifin you got one
Thanks Leroy
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Get some sights and a wheelie bow jw and you could get one at 100 yards too!
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BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
50 lashes with a wet noodle i say.
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In Tennessee it 125.00 I think for a Hunting license , I think because I haven't bought one in years ;) they cost nothing for land owners, all we have is White tail and Turkey and of course small game, it goes from Feb.1 till the last day of March the next year and is good for all Hunting and fishing. From 4th week in Sept until 1st of Jan. you can kill 3 doe a day and 2 bucks total this year with a bow, 5 Tom Turkey during the Spring season and 5 either in the fall. Since I am not a horn hunter and we have to many Turkey that's is fine with me . :) Out of state license are around 200.00 + or - for the same limits. :) 30-30 ought to get it done for ya JW. ;)
Pappy
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^^^
"3 doe a day" ???
Just how many deer ya'll got there in Tennessee ? :o
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Guess I am gonna find out what this .30-30 Marlin lever action loaded with the LEVEREvolution copper bullets can do to put food on the table. I am gonna go buy two boxes more and do some more target work soon. No sense counting on a 30 yard chip shot since I am gonna be on the prairie!
That'll work.. Shot mosta my deer around the 100yd range.. 243 is a good choice also ifin you got one
Thanks Leroy
Funny, I just traded off a Remmy 700 .243 with a 2x7 Leupold scope to get the "dirty-dirty" lever gun. Last year I had four opportunities to shoot BIG bucks, but because I have little experience with a scope or because of the angle of the sun, etc, I couldn't get off a shot. Iron sights would have been curlers in the cat's whiskers in each situation. So...I got me a lever stuffer without a scope!
BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
50 lashes with a wet noodle i say.
For a wheelie bow? I say fifty with one of Osage Outlaw's monster tree staves!
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Ok... but only if I keep the stave afterwards?
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It might have some pretty bad splits, splinters and dings from that hard head!
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Well make sure it a wide one, that way i can split in twain from the splits it will get.
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The local game warden in my neck of the woods lives about 400 yards from me. Only thing between his house and mine is grass,most of it mine. I let him plant anything he wants on my property. Right now he has part of it in alfalfa, and the rest is just orchard grass. Have known him since we were both kids. He even brings me turkey feathers once in awhile.
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In So IL I actually called up and got permission to hunt on the conservation officer's property he had a beautiful lodge style house and a perfectly manicured 50 acres with game food plots and the works. Had a reputation for being a hardass but I think it's be hard to avoid that and do your job well
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$332 for an out of state big game license Pappy, I buy one every year, they went up last year. It takes a license and a non quota MGT area permit to shoot three does a day during most of the season.
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Drew my double doe tag for whitetails in the area the Conservation Officer told me about. Now I gotta wait until November....here comes the hard part!
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Plan wisely.. We are need a full report and score
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Gonna have to print off a few copies of this one for friends!!
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Ha! That is awesome
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Forgive me for asking but why on earth would you trade a Rem 700 .243 for a 30-30, especially with the distance shots that are possible in your neck of the woods. I know a lot of fellas like um, but a 30-30 is barely a step above a slug gun IMO. Often they are touted as a great brush gun, this isn't the case at all. They did testing in american hunter about 20-25 years ago, shooting 30 different popular deer riffles through an array of 1/4 dowels and charting the results. #1 .257 roberts, #2 .243, #3 .270. The 30-30 wasn't even in the top ten (or twenty for that matter). The effective range is far less than it's counter parts as well. They drop like a rock after 150 yds. If you're a fan of lever actions, they have better calibers to choose from, for sure.
Sorry for ranting. I've just seen a lot of lead carelessly slung through the brush from some yahoo and his 30-30, thinking branches have no effect on that "super caliber". I know you wouldn't do such a thing, but that weapon is one of the most preferred by those that do. In the open like that I'd grab a nice flat shooting bolt action and a good 12 power or better scope and a set of bipods. Get there before light and dress like a shrub. Range find until one gets inside 300 yds, take a deep breath, and you know the rest.
Good luck regardless JW, I'm sure you'll get it done either way. Especially, if you put forth the effort you did to bag that buck. That one didn't come easy if I remember correctly.
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Three counter points:
1) Your article was probably written to disprove the old wives tale about how .30 cals can shoot thru brush. Heck, even .50 cal BMG rounds deflect. I have never felt that was an ethical shot to "shoot thru the bushes" and had nothing to do with my decision making process.
2) 30-30 is barely a step above a slug gun IMO.
I bet that opinion is based on scores of highly biased outdoors writers being paid by advertisers. And those advertisers were blowing the horn for the latest and greatest whatevers. If it was old fashioned, it was to be abandoned because everything new is better. My decisions were based on numbers and modern science. Have you seen the numbers for the Hornady LEVERevolution MonoFlex rounds in 30-30? Better than 2,000 ft pounds of energy at the muzzle, near onto flat shooting at the 200 yd mark and retaining a significant amount of that energy due to G1 Ballistic Coefficient of .330 and a sectional density of .241. Plus, unlike the most highly rated and subsequently overrated bonded lead core bullet, these copper rounds have all but 100% weight retention, expansion that is near flawless, resulting in superior terminal ballistics. I recently read an article saying that the short magnums were now out of favor with the gun crowd when just a few years ago if you weren't carrying something that ended with WSM, you just weren't in the game.
3) Last year I ending up passing on three bucks, all bigger than the one I was able to take. And in all three situations they were no further than 65 yds, AND to make matters worse, the scope on the .243 was the reason all three times. Had I been carrying iron sights, all three would have been slam dunks. Year after year, I have shot deer no further than 65 yds, with two exceptions. One was a buck at 90 yds with my flintlock and the other was a doe at 140 yds with my caplock. The 140 yarder was an anomaly, but I took the shot because I had literally thrown a hundred dollars worth of powder down the barrel of that same gun that summer shooting for quarters offhand at a 140 yd gong at the club's range. It was cake.
Yeah, there are long range shots on the prairie of South Dakota, but I will be hunting the Black Hills for the most part and this will do me more than fine. The two tags I have are, in effect, management tags and landowners have signed up to have deer taken out of their haystacks and farmyards. I should be able to get'er done with the old "dirty-dirty".
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From what I recall the article wasn't really geared toward putting down a particular caliber, just an attempt to report on the best brush gun. I just use the results to bash the 30-30.
I haven't seen the new bullet you mentioned, but it sounds like they certainly made some improvements that helped the guns performance especially past the 100 yd mark.
I remember your run of sour luck last season and was glad to see it turn around at the end. Typically all of my shots end up being fairly close. It has a lot to do with the terrain. PA is rolling hills with younger trees and unless your hunting farm fields or power line cuts visibility greater than a 100 yds is rare. I've popped a few woodchucks at 200+, but can't match your black powder ability. I've only taken 1 doe with a flintlock. It was a 80 yd. head shot, which sounds impressive until I admit I was aiming for the chest. The only reason I even took that shot was because all of the non-vital areas were obstructed. I haven't hunted with black powder since. I can't deal with the hang fire. I flinch heavy even with a rest. Our flintlock season is the same as second season archery so I stick with the bow. I typically hit what I'm aiming at when we're talking arrows.
I only spent one season hunting in SD, mostly in the hills. If you're on the ground and on the move I could see the appeal of a open sight lever action. In fact the 8 point I ended up taking out there, first passed me at about 12 yds. I didn't even bother raising my gun because I knew were he was headed. When he hit the clearing at the bottom of the hill he was at 80 yds. which was a more fitting shot for my scoped 30-06. I wish I would have been able to hunt archery out there, but my bow had split a limb during the move out and I couldn't scrounge the cash to fix or replace it before the season. I hope to make it back out someday, but I think I may have missed the "hay day". I've heard that the regulations and tag structure have changed quite a bit.
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I've only taken 1 doe with a flintlock. It was a 80 yd. head shot, which sounds impressive until I admit I was aiming for the chest. The only reason I even took that shot was because all of the non-vital areas were obstructed.
Piffle! It all eats the same in the end. Own it, you made a head shot!