Primitive Archer
Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Del the cat on August 22, 2016, 04:45:17 am
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Now ages ago I made a real fast Boo backed Yew for a guy who backed out on the deal... that's no problem if only he'd told me... he just went silent which was ill mannered.
Any way, this lady was interested in the bow so I let her try it and she made me an offer which was perfectly fine. We became friends and she's a lovely enthusiastic lady into all types of archery, target, field, clout and is pretty good too. I'd noticed on FaceBook she was posting links about some obscure medical condition which she has http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ehlers-danlos-syndrome/Pages/Introduction.aspx (http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/ehlers-danlos-syndrome/Pages/Introduction.aspx).
She's a health care professional and just a nice person :)
BUT... she was buying modern fancy recurves in awful shades of PINK! ::) And generally becoming a bow addict >:D.
I told that she seriously needed a real bow >:D and that I'd make her a Hazel primitive... it would be a bit of a cheek to charge her for it as she hadn't asked me to make her a bow. Soooo I though, let her pay what she thinks it's worth and then donate the money to the charity that supports her condition :)
I put this proposal to her, she agreed, so I set off and sawed some Hazel that very day (9th of June)! http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/pleasantly-tired-this-morning.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/pleasantly-tired-this-morning.html)
You see it's been pretty rapidly seasoned, anyhow, enough chat, I hope you like the back story. I'll take it to her next time I'm down South.
Del
Whoops almost forgot the details.
43# at 28" 67 1/4" ttt. Limb width 2" at widest. Full story on the blog of course.
One point of interest was how it was so close to centre shot the arrows were waggling like crazy! I had to do a slight steam bend at the grip to bring the arrow pass about 3/16" to the left (as seen by the archer), that smoothed it out. usually the problem is the opposite and the arrow pass needs relieving.The problem was basically caused by shape of the stave.
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I like it Del, and love the story and fine jester. Bet she will love that.
Pappy
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You left the bark on, couldn't it fall off while the limbs are moving?
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Nice stick del...got some great wiggle to it.
And speaking of wonky...how bout those pants! ;)
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You left the bark on, couldn't it fall off while the limbs are moving?
I've made a few like this and sometimes the bark will start cracking, but generally it stays.
I try to encourage it to stay on by lightly wire brushing along the limb and giving it plenty of wax, the theory being that it will help the wax to penetrate.
If the bark falls off the sky will not fall dawn ;)
the down side of a "bark on" bow is that, if you put it down in the woods... you may never find it again ;D
Del
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Nice stick del...got some great wiggle to it.
And speaking of wonky...how bout those pants! ;)
yeah... without those... I'd disappear into the background :)
Del
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Nice looking bow Del. Good job helping out her charity.
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Well Mr. Cat.....that sir is a typical Dell bend, just perfect and beautiful. Ya know I have a soft spot for those primitive girls anyway.
rich
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Del, that is "pyramid bow" am I right? How wide it is at fades and how thick hazel bow needs to be at minimum to produce bow of around 50# at 28"? I read that bow pictured is 45# at 28".
I am asking because I want to build couple of flatbows and pyramid bows from hazel (very common tree here) but as they are softer type of wood, I don't know what "minimum" rough dimensions should I use so I don't have at the end of tillering under weight bow.
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I really like that one Del.
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@ Stalker,
Hi, it's not really a pyramid as there is a good bit of thickness taper. I think a true pyramid is constant thickness and just a width taper.
It's more a Neoloithic leaf/spear shaped limb... (I'm sure there's a fancy name for it). The tips are slim and a bit thicker
Here are some dimensions (upper limb, which is less wonky)... sorry but I'm using mm for width and thickness as it's more convenient starting on the fade where it's pretty thick.
Distance from fade, width,thickness. (rounded to 1 decimal place)
0", 48.5mm, 24.5mm
1", 51.3mm, 20.4mm
2", 51.7mm, 19.3mm
That's the fade, now every 6" from there
8", 48.3mm, 17.3mm
14", 44.9mm,15.7mm
20", 38.0mm,13.0mm
26", 22.6mm,12.7mm
When I was tillering it, I'd got to about 23", I'm sure it would have pulled 50# if I'd wanted.
Those dimensions include the bark of course which must be about 1mm, so without the bark, thos dimensions probably would give 50#, or simply heat treating the belly would bring her up there. I was actually struggling to get the weight down! I had the tiller right at about 24" and had to be careful not to screw it up.
The thickness taper was roughed out to about 1.5mm every 6" and then all done by eye and feel.
Hope that makes sense.
Del
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I give this a thumbs up all around, well done del
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Very nice one there Del. She will be very happy with it, and it will look so much better in her hand than those pink glass one!
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Very cool bow Del. I am surrounded by Hazel in my backyard, it's my shade canopy for summer bow building. I've yet to build a bow from the wood, but I've roughed out a few.
very interesting, cut in June and the bark stayed on
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Cool looking bow and a great gesture!
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Del, I don't mind mm, after all I am studying engineering and I am from Croatia, so actually bonus points for you!
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Nice bend, nice wiggles, nice gesture and the pants are OK. 8)
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Btw, my next hazel will be this "neolithic style" like yours, I really like that profile.
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I am blessed to have one of Del's hazel bows and after two years the bark is still as much an integral part of the bow as the day it was made!
The bark on mine reminds me of nothing so much as the skin of a baked potato. And with the creamy white color of the wood underneath, it is all I can do to not slather it with butter and sour cream!
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Really nice bow Del, I very much like the bark on, looks great 8).
Ruddy.
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I would also try leaving the bark on, hazel bark is much rougher here when compared to Del's bow here.
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Nice bow nice deed !
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Beautiful character bow Del, that's a pretty awesome idea. I love the tips and that front profile. F/D is pretty nice too
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Nice as always:)
May I ask what the diameter u used? The handle is stiff? I have build some hazelnuts over the years(big fan of hazel) and about all with some degree of flex in handle, mostly because I built on thinny thinny wood, what's your opinion about size and handle?
I find it realy nice with bark on, i have never try this exept leave reminants - I will try bark next time:)
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That looks like a beauty from here Del. :)
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Nice as always:)
May I ask what the diameter u used? The handle is stiff? I have build some hazelnuts over the years(big fan of hazel) and about all with some degree of flex in handle, mostly because I built on thinny thinny wood, what's your opinion about size and handle?
I find it realy nice with bark on, i have never try this exept leave reminants - I will try bark next time:)
It was about 2 1/2" diameter. I was working on the Ishi measurement of 3 fingers width fir hunting 4 fingers for war :)
On the blog there's a close up of the grip and you can see the central pith, which gives an idea of the size of the log.
http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/wonky-hazel-finished.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/08/wonky-hazel-finished.html)
The actual log is shown leaning against my car in this blog entry.
http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/pleasantly-tired-this-morning.html (http://bowyersdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/pleasantly-tired-this-morning.html)
Del
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It takes guts to give such a wonky bow to a glass bow shooter. It must be your soft heart that makes you so brave. Well done!
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It takes guts to give such a wonky bow to a glass bow shooter. It must be your soft heart that makes you so brave. Well done!
She's won shoots with a Boo backed Yew of mine so she's good with any bow :)
Classy lady
Del
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Del, not to derail your topic but I just wanted to say I am almost finished with roughing out this neolithic type bow from hazel. I cut that hazel today.
Unfortunately, lots of bark came off, so I removed it all, but doesn't matter, I really like the shape and tomorrow or day after it, will be put to dry completely in this half finished state.
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Del, not to derail your topic but I just wanted to say I am almost finished with roughing out this neolithic type bow from hazel. I cut that hazel today.
Unfortunately, lots of bark came off, so I removed it all, but doesn't matter, I really like the shape and tomorrow or day after it, will be put to dry completely in this half finished state.
Yeah, I just dunno with the bark thing... I was expecting it to come off as it was cut in the Summer. I've given up trying to second guess wood... bit like Mrs Cat :-* (I never said that! ducks and runs for cover)
Del
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Very, very cool! I like this one a lot.