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Main Discussion Area => Bows => Topic started by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 09:32:41 am

Title: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 09:32:41 am
Hi Fellas. I'm chasing a ring down on a 9 month off the stump stave this morning & would like to leave the back natural if possible VS. Putting on shellac , at what point in a osage stave life off the stump is it safe not to seal the back ? I have had this one inside for the last month .
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: SLIMBOB on November 05, 2016, 09:43:15 am
Never in my opinion.  I did a belly split off a stave that had been drying for years.  The top piece was perfect, no checks.  The belly split checked on me as I was chasing the ring on it. Many have been fine, but others have been ruined, so safest to seal them IMO.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 09:53:38 am
Thank you Mr Deplorable , sold shellac it is !
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: George Tsoukalas on November 05, 2016, 09:56:51 am
Is your final finish going to be shellac?
I don't use it. But if I feel the need to seal the back during construction I use the same sealer I would use as a final sealer. I use spar urethane in a spray can. Jawge
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: PatM on November 05, 2016, 10:01:19 am
Is your final finish going to be shellac?
I don't use it. But if I feel the need to seal the back during construction I use the same sealer I would use as a final sealer. I use spar urethane in a spray can. Jawge

  Shellac seems to be the one finish that sticks to anything and anything can go on top of it.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 10:01:40 am
No George I was planing on a oil finish  this stave is really clean & probably look good with a oil finish no big deal alchohal & scrub in the end .
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 10:06:37 am
Pat that's interesting you said that I often wondered if you could do a shellac oil type finish pre mixing finding the right recipe .
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Dances with squirrels on November 05, 2016, 10:13:15 am
If the stave has any drying to do yet, I like to leave a wee bit of the porous spring growth on top of the summer wood, shellac over that, and then later I can scrape off the shellac and spring growth in a couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Pat B on November 05, 2016, 12:31:32 pm
I add shellac to any newly exposed back ring. I've had 10 year old staves check when a back ring was newly exposed.
 Shellac is easy to remove by lightly sanding or by wiping it down with alcohol.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: PatM on November 05, 2016, 01:49:54 pm
Pat that's interesting you said that I often wondered if you could do a shellac oil type finish pre mixing finding the right recipe .

  Lee Valley has done that with their French Polish mixture.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: DC on November 05, 2016, 02:25:04 pm
I've had 10 year old staves check when a back ring was newly exposed.


Makes you wonder if wood ever gets fully dry ??? ???
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Stick Bender on November 05, 2016, 03:34:00 pm
Im starting to wonder if its not the moister in the staves but the oils & resins comming up threw the wood a 10 yr old stave should be at ambient conditions moister wise, just wondering how any wood could hold on to water that long. Since osage is so oily.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: PatM on November 05, 2016, 05:30:24 pm
I imagine it might have something to do with inherent stress within the wood manifesting itself when outer layers are removed from one side.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: SLIMBOB on November 05, 2016, 06:20:37 pm
+1 Pat. Newly exposed wood is not unlike newly exposed skin. It's been protected from the elements, and once exposed to those elements it just reacts to them. Drying, cracking, shrinking as it hardens itself to the new environment.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: Pat B on November 05, 2016, 06:50:22 pm
DC, wood changes M/C with the relative humidity, even with a finish on it. I keep all my bow wood in my basement shop so the M/C fluctuates with the r/h also. I build most on my bows in the winter and bring them in the house near the wood stove between building sessions to keep the M/C low.
Title: Re: Osage stave shellac ?
Post by: bradsmith2010 on November 05, 2016, 07:23:35 pm
if I am going to sinew back, ,then I use hide glue,, to seal,, sometimes,, I will take off the growth ring I sealed and go to the next if I have enough wood,,